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Posted - 2004.02.05 08:56:00 -
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I was waiting for a bunch of ammo to build and I figured I'd check out some of the landmark descriptions, see if there were any spiffy ruins near where I was. I came across one called Ginnungagap and the description got me all excited.
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So since it was close I packed my things, hopped in a fast frigate and headed over to Konora. Dispite what the description said, there was no big gaping hole.. I was hoping it would be drawn into the background element, even as a non animated background like the nebulas.. Man what a letdown, why would you say something like that in the description if it's a lie?
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Gan Howorth
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Posted - 2004.02.05 09:05:00 -
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Despite looking "near" it is presumably far enough away not to exert the level of gravitational pull that you were hoping for. Had it been close enough to draw you in, it would have sucked in the entire system, gates an' all, way back in beta!
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Posted - 2004.02.05 09:09:00 -
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Despite looking "near" it is presumably far enough away not to exert the level of gravitational pull that you were hoping for. Had it been close enough to draw you in, it would have sucked in the entire system, gates an' all, way back in beta!
Don't give me that physics crap. If I can warp through a planet I sure as hell can see a blackhole in the distance.
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Kane Jacobs
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Posted - 2004.02.05 09:11:00 -
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Despite looking "near" it is presumably far enough away not to exert the level of gravitational pull that you were hoping for. Had it been close enough to draw you in, it would have sucked in the entire system, gates an' all, way back in beta!
Don't give me that physics crap. If I can warp through a planet I sure as hell can see a blackhole in the distance.
Hehe good point...
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Riddari
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Posted - 2004.02.05 09:20:00 -
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Straigth from norse mythology for those interested in background
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Valisk
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Posted - 2004.02.05 10:13:00 -
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Ginnungagap Rift feaures in the final book of the 'Revelation Space' trilogy by Alastair Reynolds... and that was pretty disappointing too.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0575074345/202-7779665-1931835
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Posted - 2004.02.05 10:29:00 -
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maybe it's more of a blue/green hole.
You know, one that looks identical to the background of eve.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2004.02.05 11:01:00 -
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Ginnungagap Rift feaures in the final book of the 'Revelation Space' trilogy by Alastair Reynolds... and that was pretty disappointing too.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0575074345/202-7779665-1931835
Have to agree with you there... that book was abit of a let down considering his earlier fine efforts!
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Cool dude
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Posted - 2004.02.05 11:19:00 -
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Ok Pyhsics crap:
As the gravitational pull of a black hole is so strong that even light cannot escape from them the black holes are invisble. They can only be observed by the effect that they have on neighbouring objects.
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SEALen
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Posted - 2004.02.05 11:48:00 -
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I was there and got let down too. I mean it says "can be seen very clearly". Ahh well got a few more dots on the "places I visited" in the map :)
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Tadius Rhain
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Posted - 2004.02.05 11:53:00 -
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If you were to look at a black hole, you would see the absence of matter. It would be visible in the sense that there would be no other things nearby.
What exactly were you expecting?
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Posted - 2004.02.05 11:59:00 -
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If you were to look at a black hole, you would see the absence of matter. It would be visible in the sense that there would be no other things nearby.
Not neccesarily true. The actual event horizan of the black hole may only be a few meters wide which is a pin***** in space. |
Chelsea rorec
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Posted - 2004.02.05 12:36:00 -
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go visit this its a must see 
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Gailainne
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Posted - 2004.02.05 12:41:00 -
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Ginnungagap Rift feaures in the final book of the 'Revelation Space' trilogy by Alastair Reynolds... and that was pretty disappointing too.
Damn I was looking forward to reading that too.
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Antimater
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Posted - 2004.02.05 12:42:00 -
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Its all lies....a cover up!
A black hole is nothing more than a container with polystyrine balls circling inside..thus producing static..said static attracts others object close by..thereby producing the effect we called black holes...
"When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." - shirlock holmes
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StoreSlem
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Posted - 2004.02.05 12:45:00 -
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go visit this its a must see
thats more like a black box
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Atandros
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Posted - 2004.02.05 14:55:00 -
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Interestingly enough, the black hole backgrounds are in the client (and I was surprised when I saw them as I've never seen or heard of them used anywhere). No idea why they're not applied. 
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Valisk
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Posted - 2004.02.05 15:20:00 -
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My God! It's full of stars!
Nice one Chelsea 
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k4rl
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Posted - 2004.02.05 17:28:00 -
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loosly quoted from Red Dwarf series 3 (can't remember exactly how it goes :) )...
"The thing about black holes, is their main distinguishing feature, is they're black.. And the thing about space, I mean the colour of Space, is it's black.. So how you sposed to see 'em?"
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2004.02.05 17:55:00 -
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As the gravitational pull of a black hole is so strong that even light cannot escape from them the black holes are invisble. They can only be observed by the effect that they have on neighbouring objects.
not really, black hole can dissipate massive amounts of energy, due to quantum tunneling, and reactions near but not in the event horizon, some even spew out huge jets of plasma at close to the speed of light.
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Cowboy
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Posted - 2004.02.05 18:01:00 -
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go visit this its a must see
Looks like a Giant video game console that will remain nameless...
Man I would like to PLAY in a STATION like that 2
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Denathis Arabar
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Posted - 2004.02.05 18:01:00 -
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yeah and ringo star has one in the yellow submarine cartoon, and you can see that!!
Also if you look at the attatchment nails has put in you can see it in the picture for the description!
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Xiris
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Posted - 2004.02.05 18:05:00 -
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If my ship can make swooshing noises as it flies through the vacumn of space, and if revolving spotlights on top of stations can shine through the "mist" in the void of space, then by golly black holes ought to be perfectly visible from where they are billed to be visible!
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Posted - 2004.02.05 18:10:00 -
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Well Stargate obviously didn't stay true to physics either. The Blackhole episode though ended up being one of the fan's all time favorites. If you can't see a black hole, and use your imagination then nothing will ever be fun.
If it means I have to attack Crielere myself and take over that research ring so I can make a spacial distortion field that reverses the black hole's effect within close distances I will. I think what some of the physics majors here are not grasping is the fact that we are living in a game of future technology that isn't invented yet (accept for the olympic size swimming pool on deck 35 of my Apocolypse). Thus I can use my imagination to make non exsistant technelogical items if I want. If you want to cling to reality and theory then go right ahead. As for me, I want them to put that blackhole background into the Konora system so that I will be happy.
While we are on the subject of blackholes, I think it would be interesting if CCP wrote some kind of localized fully animated event for a wormhole in a couple corners of the eve galaxy. You approach some spiffy nav bouy and the thing explodes open just like in DS9. Of course that will never happen because DS9 thought of it first, but maybe they can be creative.
One long term item I would like writtin into the game though are more "spacial phenomenon" Even if it is deadly, it would create some interesting events.
I also like the idea of their being central enteties in the game, kinda like the Ginnungagap black hole. For those that have played Zelda Windwalker or whatever it's called, after that huge ass tower shows up in the middle of the map you can see it from almost every location on the cap because it's so big. I think this should be the same for solar systems that border events like the Ginnungagap blackhole. If there is a big empty area of space Divinity's edge or Pool or Radiance then the bordering system backgronds should reflect that. For Divinity's edge, all or most of the systems around it should almost completely void of any kind of nebula event. The backgrounds also need to stop randoming rotating on the when you jump into the system, or loose your ship. You might not have noticed by when you loose your ship the background refreshes and usually flips verticle or something. The backgrounds should be locked to hold true to the local events near them. For Pool of Radiance I would have most of the system non nebula, then some area in the background where a spectacular cluster of nebulas can be seen in the distance. This will give the player more of a feeling like they are really in Stain, or Really in Wildlands.
So anyway, I really hope these things get written/fixed into the game, will make it much more interesting, and allow the players to create their own events/meeting places etc.. Right now every system in eve is just a random nebula seen over and over again with different color pallets. etc..
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.02.05 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: Mon Palae on 05/02/2004 20:57:36
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go visit this its a must see
Looks like a Giant video game console that will remain nameless...
You and the other guy who said it looked like a box really need to bone-up on your sci-fi movies. In this particular case I would recommend watching 2001: A Space Odyssey. That 'black box' is one of the most iconic items in all of sci-fi and cool CCP threw it in.
As for EVE getting science wrong they do it ALL the time. Most of the time it's no big deal because it is a game afterall but a few irk me such as a Passive Targeter using "...advanced acoustical and visual targeting to identify threats.[/u] There is of course no sound in space so any targetting system for use in space that claims use of acoustic signals is one I do not want to use.  The sound we hear of battle and engines is in the backstory on the meeting with the Joves who gave us pods...the ship adds sound to aid the pilot and a good dodge about sound in space. Doesn't help the Passive targeter though.
Another is the story of a Titan causing flooding due to its insane mass. Big though they may be they are nowhere near big enough to do that.
As for black holes they are invisible by themselves. Hawking Radiation for most black holes is so small that it is below the cosmic microwave background and essentially washed out and undetectable (a very small black hole would actually glow from this but by small I mean smaller than a basketball...most are at least 30km in diameter or bigger). Black holes may only be seen by their effect on stuff near them. If they are drawing in lots of matter from say a nebula or nearby star then spotting it wouldn't be hard as you could easily see all the stuff spiraling in and getting very hot.
Still, the description said you could see it so one would assume there was something nearby for the black hole to eat.
I've been meaning to get aorund to a site-seeing tour...glad I won't waste a trip here now.
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Baun
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Posted - 2004.02.05 21:27:00 -
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Edited by: Baun on 05/02/2004 21:29:14
Actually Lao, the amount of radiation dissipated by Black Holes (Hawking Radiation), Comes from the dissociation of virtual particle pairs. It also happens very slowly and is a miniscule amount of energy. The amount of energy dissipated by a black hole in this manner is such that even small black holes would take many times the age of the universe to evaporate.
Furthermore, this isnt even visible or otherwise simply detected radiation.
Apparently the above post already covered this ... next time i will read the whole thing before i reply.
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Hellena
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Posted - 2004.02.05 22:42:00 -
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I I came across one called Ginnungagap and the description got me all excited.
i went to check this out a few months ago..only some really pretty pink nebulas are out there
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Posted - 2004.02.05 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: Silverlancer on 05/02/2004 23:02:11
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If you were to look at a black hole, you would see the absence of matter. It would be visible in the sense that there would be no other things nearby.
Not neccesarily true. The actual event horizan of the black hole may only be a few meters wide which is a pin***** in space.
<WARNING! Above poster knows NOTHING about black holes!>
Black holes have event horizons ranging from 5-10km wide (small hole, from the death of a star) to a huge 10+ billion km wide hole (center of M80, I think). You're talking about mini-black holes, which most likely don't exist.
And, you CANNOT see a black hole even if its in front of something, as it will bend the light around itself. However, the distortion would obviously give it away.
Plus, if the black hole is swallowing matter, you can see a HUGE accrettion disk and a supersuperbright sphere just around the hole (matter heated to millions of degrees).
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Lao Tzu
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Posted - 2004.02.05 23:05:00 -
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Actually Lao, the amount of radiation dissipated by Black Holes (Hawking Radiation), Comes from the dissociation of virtual particle pairs. It also happens very slowly and is a miniscule amount of energy. The amount of energy dissipated by a black hole in this manner is such that even small black holes would take many times the age of the universe to evaporate.
That'll teach me to get my physics from sci-fi novels
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2004.02.06 01:45:00 -
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Hey all she wanted was some eye candy, not heaps of theory!
Would make sense for CCP to toss in some swirling black hole background in that system, since its supposed to be visible from there.
I like the 'special' systems, feel they add a bit to the game.
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