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Mangtraxx	Posted - 2007.08.20 12:55:00 - [31] Stop acting like one. Lol. The depth of the stupidity in this statement is not even funny. Macro miners are the ones in the wrong, you are criticising a legitimate player for behaving perfectly normally, just because macros have been designed to copy their actions. Try and get your head round your own idiotic logic for a second - This is the same as the police chastisting an innocent man for dessing like a criminal they're looking for that fits their description. This seriously makes sense in your head? Have you ever actually mined in eve? Ever wondered why the hell there are so many macro miners? Why such a complex game can be macro'ed more easily than other much simpler ones? Because mining is so mind numbingly simple. Mining consists of: Undock > Fly to belt > Target Roids > Use lasers/strippers > Ore to jetcan or fill up hold > Retarget if roid dies > Fly to station > Dump Cargo > Pickup ore in hauler if your jetcan mining. Maybe run away if rats/players turn up, kill rats with drones maybe. Thats it, the entirety of mining. Strip miners take 3 minutes to cycle, ice miners 10 minutes. Do you actually expect someone to sit there, watching the same laser-to-asteriod effect for hours on end just to stop morons going "omg yuor a macro miner1!!! Not all of us have such dead lives that we can spend 10 minutes watching an ice mining cycle. Of course they're going to be doing some work or reading a webpage or talking with their friends or whatever, no one is pathetic enough to sit there and watch themselves mining for hours and hours just to please the 14 year olds spamming anyone in a barge with trash because they think they're using a macro. It maybe quite hard for you to comprehend but some of us have real lives outside of eve, and spending 6 hours watching a laser come out of a ship into a rock is not the most thrilling thing a human can experience. Mining is simple and boring as hell, thats why its so easy to bloody macro, and thats why most miners aren't dumb enough to sit there watching their ship mine like a drooling idiot. If someone doesn't reply to your convo, its probably cus you're the 20th numpty to do so thinking they're really clever and have spotted a macro'er. I'll try and put this as simply as possible so you can get your head round it. Of course miners are going to behave like macroer's, the macros are designed to specifically mimic exactly what the hell the miners are doing. They are mining macros after all, so them behaving like miners is not exactly suprising. I hope you understand why your own logic is so appaling now.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.08.20 13:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Mangtraxx It maybe quite hard for you to comprehend but some of us have real lives outside of eve, This entire post disagrees with you. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Viliny principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.20 13:05:00 - [33] Originally by: Mangtraxx Stop acting like one. Lol. The depth of the stupidity in this statement is not even funny. Macro miners are the........ Valid points but unnecessary attacks... Yeah i can imagine most people watch a movie or something while mining, but they would still read chats etc while they perform the moving of the ore to the can
Etruscus	Posted - 2007.08.20 13:13:00 - [34] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: k Rose Originally by: Dark Shikari Wait a minute. You step out to the bathroom. But you keep dragging ore to the can. And you expect people to think you're not using a macro? Your smoking ***! You claim that people are calling you a macro because you mine when you're away from the computer dealing with ordinary RL things. Doesn't something seem inherently wrong with that? You're mining while away from the computer, doing other things**. Unless you're running back to the computer every 3 minutes to jet your ore... Depending on your mining ability and assuming you are using a hulk, you would need to move every 5:59 or 8:59. I, personally, do a lot of other things then watch my lasers go hum. For example, I clean my house. I watch movies. I call people on the phone. I work on Hebrew. All sorts of activities, and all this without running a macro. Generally, if an ore thief shows up thinking I'm a macro, it will only take them once to figure out not to do it again.
Schani Kratnorr Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.08.20 13:17:00 - [35] Getting back on topic... Anyone who claims he can "can spot a macro miner" is lying. Anyone who macro mines is unlikely to use these forums. Anyone who dons a cape, and claims to "save EVE" by killing "macroers" is dillusional.
Phyrr Minmatar Firing Squad Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.20 13:47:00 - [36] Edited by: Phyrr on 20/08/2007 13:51:02 I spent a good deal of time macro hunting and you can very easily tell who is and who isnt a macro. Macros follow a routine, players do not. Unfortunatley many macro hunters are just ore thieves that claim to be doing their "bit" for the community. I was a miner then turned macro hunter and i spent months stalking macros watching their patterns to enable me to flag a macro hauler with can flagging. During these months i noticed many macro hunters are also pirates or worse total morons. Some even turn on the other macro hunters which is poor form within the macro hunting community. Macro hunters are pretty much a law unto themselves so if they wanna call you a macro and attack you they will do. Some macro hunters have a degree of zealotry to them and are so convinced that eve is under siege from all angles from macros that anything said that doesnt conclude with total macro miner elimination is considered heretical and you are victimized as a macro sympathizer. I understand your frustrations with your mining situation but its an unfortunate side affect of people who live and breathe macro hunting. Joining the channel Macrointel could be useful to you to make some connections in the community also it ain't half bad to locate quiet systems with no macros:) The odds on me being here are rather slim evolutionary speaking, yet in the infinite bounds of probability my being here is a certainty.
k Rose Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.20 14:31:00 - [37] Edited by: k Rose on 20/08/2007 14:34:28 Originally by: Phyrr Edited by: Phyrr on 20/08/2007 13:51:02 I spent a good deal of time macro hunting and you can very easily tell who is and who isnt a macro. Macros follow a routine, players do not. Unfortunatley many macro hunters are just ore thieves that claim to be doing their "bit" for the community. I was a miner then turned macro hunter and i spent months stalking macros watching their patterns to enable me to flag a macro hauler with can flagging. During these months i noticed many macro hunters are also pirates or worse total morons. Some even turn on the other macro hunters which is poor form within the macro hunting community. Macro hunters are pretty much a law unto themselves so if they wanna call you a macro and attack you they will do. Some macro hunters have a degree of zealotry to them and are so convinced that eve is under siege from all angles from macros that anything said that doesnt conclude with total macro miner elimination is considered heretical and you are victimized as a macro sympathizer. I understand your frustrations with your mining situation but its an unfortunate side affect of people who live and breathe macro hunting. Joining the channel Macrointel could be useful to you to make some connections in the community also it ain't half bad to locate quiet systems with no macros:) Honestly if ya read the post above he pretty right. If you understood the basics ( what macro really is ) Truly a very simple program - That allows mouse click. So pointing at anyone doing Mission, Mining or PVP could be a macro? You say pvp impossible? ( F1 F2 F3 F4 F5 can all be fired at once.) I could even turn on all mods at once. Same with missions, just another way of looking at it.. Still a form of Macro - I will not go into the keyboards that you can buy for $80.. (but still a form of macro) Honestly unless your on the other side of that monitor or that person home you have NO clue! Have some respect for others "We have more then one account" Thanks
Phyrr Minmatar Firing Squad Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.20 15:00:00 - [38] Macros do not coherantly respond to chats. Macros (miners) Do not have any agent standings other than noob school starting agent. Macros are online 23/7 in the same system for weeks on end. Macros have strange names. Macros bunch together in ice belts, in ore belts they have 1 barge per belt with 1 hauler running each belt in turn. You cannot can flag a real miner using the can flag technique that only works on automated macro programs causing them to stall and steal from your can rather than collecting the ore in hauler. Macros have no security status as they dont kill rats (miners). The guy above is generalizing i spent months hunting and never once killed a normal miner. Not once! And I have destroyed countless haulers and suicided barges. I would offer reimbursment to anyone i killed who had evemailed exclaming at me. This never occured. I would even talk in local as the macro pod warped back to station sometimes him taking 1/2 hr to realize his cycle was broken with the hauler sat there clueless. The odds on me being here are rather slim evolutionary speaking, yet in the infinite bounds of probability my being here is a certainty.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.08.20 15:03:00 - [39] Originally by: Dark Shikari Of course, if "macro hunters" are dumb enough to dub anyone AFK a macro miner, its their problem. Unfortunately, there are alot of macro hunters that get over-zealous with their targets, so this isn't especially uncommon. ------------ Whiners - Unite! Tarminic - 26 Million SP in Forum Warfare.
Queen Killerz	Posted - 2007.08.20 15:06:00 - [40] Originally by: Phyrr Macros do not coherantly respond to chats. Macros (miners) Do not have any agent standings other than noob school starting agent. Macros are online 23/7 in the same system for weeks on end. Macros have strange names. Macros bunch together in ice belts, in ore belts they have 1 barge per belt with 1 hauler running each belt in turn. You cannot can flag a real miner using the can flag technique that only works on automated macro programs causing them to stall and steal from your can rather than collecting the ore in hauler. Macros have no security status as they dont kill rats (miners). The guy above is generalizing i spent months hunting and never once killed a normal miner. Not once! And I have destroyed countless haulers and suicided barges. I would offer reimbursment to anyone i killed who had evemailed exclaming at me. This never occured. I would even talk in local as the macro pod warped back to station sometimes him taking 1/2 hr to realize his cycle was broken with the hauler sat there clueless. More: We have Corporation our own channels to type in Maybe we are talking on VENT Or TS. Doesn't mean we have to talk to you people in local. This is our choice - So please get over
k Rose Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.20 15:09:00 - [41] Originally by: Phyrr Macros do not coherantly respond to chats. Macros (miners) Do not have any agent standings other than noob school starting agent. Macros are online 23/7 in the same system for weeks on end. Macros have strange names. Macros bunch together in ice belts, in ore belts they have 1 barge per belt with 1 hauler running each belt in turn. You cannot can flag a real miner using the can flag technique that only works on automated macro programs causing them to stall and steal from your can rather than collecting the ore in hauler. Macros have no security status as they dont kill rats (miners). The guy above is generalizing i spent months hunting and never once killed a normal miner. Not once! And I have destroyed countless haulers and suicided barges. I would offer reimbursment to anyone i killed who had evemailed exclaming at me. This never occured. I would even talk in local as the macro pod warped back to station sometimes him taking 1/2 hr to realize his cycle was broken with the hauler sat there clueless. Pointing fingers are we? You seem to understand a lot about what macro is. I think you have been one yourself!
Yagyu Retsudo Yagyu Holdings	Posted - 2007.08.20 15:23:00 - [42] Originally by: Queen Killerz Doesn't mean we have to talk to you people in local. This is our choice - So please get over We can continue to impose jetcan mining taxes. This is our choice - please get over it.
Phyrr Minmatar Firing Squad Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.20 15:41:00 - [43] Edited by: Phyrr on 20/08/2007 15:45:15 Edited by: Phyrr on 20/08/2007 15:43:17 Originally by: k Rose Originally by: Phyrr Macros do not coherantly respond to chats. Macros (miners) Do not have any agent standings other than noob school starting agent. Macros are online 23/7 in the same system for weeks on end. Macros have strange names. Macros bunch together in ice belts, in ore belts they have 1 barge per belt with 1 hauler running each belt in turn. You cannot can flag a real miner using the can flag technique that only works on automated macro programs causing them to stall and steal from your can rather than collecting the ore in hauler. Macros have no security status as they dont kill rats (miners). The guy above is generalizing i spent months hunting and never once killed a normal miner. Not once! And I have destroyed countless haulers and suicided barges. I would offer reimbursment to anyone i killed who had evemailed exclaming at me. This never occured. I would even talk in local as the macro pod warped back to station sometimes him taking 1/2 hr to realize his cycle was broken with the hauler sat there clueless. Pointing fingers are we? You seem to understand a lot about what macro is. I think you have been one yourself! ? Did you even read anything ive said in this post? I spent hours at a time just watching their system so i knew when to strike. This is not the first time I have been accused of this and it won't be the last. Funny seeing as i hunted them. Although it is macro hunters that usually throw this statement around in order to justify ganking miners like yourself. My posts were to let you know what the other side of the ore can is about to help you...but you seem to thing ive posted to attack you or criticize in someway so i'll move along... The odds on me being here are rather slim evolutionary speaking, yet in the infinite bounds of probability my being here is a certainty.
Phyrr Minmatar Firing Squad Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.20 15:48:00 - [44] Originally by: Queen Killerz Originally by: Phyrr Macros do not coherantly respond to chats. Macros (miners) Do not have any agent standings other than noob school starting agent. Macros are online 23/7 in the same system for weeks on end. Macros have strange names. Macros bunch together in ice belts, in ore belts they have 1 barge per belt with 1 hauler running each belt in turn. You cannot can flag a real miner using the can flag technique that only works on automated macro programs causing them to stall and steal from your can rather than collecting the ore in hauler. Macros have no security status as they dont kill rats (miners). The guy above is generalizing i spent months hunting and never once killed a normal miner. Not once! And I have destroyed countless haulers and suicided barges. I would offer reimbursment to anyone i killed who had evemailed exclaming at me. This never occured. I would even talk in local as the macro pod warped back to station sometimes him taking 1/2 hr to realize his cycle was broken with the hauler sat there clueless. More: We have Corporation our own channels to type in Maybe we are talking on VENT Or TS. Doesn't mean we have to talk to you people in local. This is our choice - So please get over Im sorry i was obviously talking about people who try to be aware of the the environment they are in. The odds on me being here are rather slim evolutionary speaking, yet in the infinite bounds of probability my being here is a certainty.
k Rose Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.20 16:31:00 - [45] Im sorry maybe I was having bad hair day! Maybe Forum mod can (lock this) now? Its turning into a flame war ...... All I was really trying to point out is = Not everyone is a macro miner. Good Day
Schani Kratnorr Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.08.23 13:14:00 - [46] I have yet to see proof that it is actually possible for anyone playing the game to determine who's a macro miner and who aint... All I hear is, "funny names, does not respond to chat, has no bio, stays in the same system". It's all circumstantial folks... Only CCP can determine who's actually cheating or breaking the EULA. Not having a go at pirates or ore thieves at all, and it's not the subject of this thread at all. The subject is macro miners, and the people who claim they can spot one... you cannot be sure, that is my point. Petition them, talk to CCP and do what you must, but do not claim you can tell a macro miner from someone actively playing the game. All this will perhaps end when the ore belts get moved into the deadspace authering system...
ry ry StateCorp The State	Posted - 2007.08.23 13:20:00 - [47] Originally by: Dark Shikari True, but on the other hand, isn't the primary way people find macro miners by seeing them fill up a can of ore while not responding to convos and such? i hardly ever bother responding to convos from randoms. make sure you petition me for using macros.
Phyrr Minmatar Firing Squad Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.23 13:21:00 - [48] Originally by: Schani Kratnorr I have yet to see proof that it is actually possible for anyone playing the game to determine who's a macro miner and who aint... All I hear is, "funny names, does not respond to chat, has no bio, stays in the same system". It's all circumstantial folks... Only CCP can determine who's actually cheating or breaking the EULA. Not having a go at pirates or ore thieves at all, and it's not the subject of this thread at all. The subject is macro miners, and the people who claim they can spot one... you cannot be sure, that is my point. Petition them, talk to CCP and do what you must, but do not claim you can tell a macro miner from someone actively playing the game. All this will perhaps end when the ore belts get moved into the deadspace authering system... Maybe it's just my experience hunting them, but I am telling you now. I know a macro when i see one. A real player is very easy to identify. Unless you are prepared to give macro hunting a try, it's gonna be like very hard to convey what I mean. It's like anything, experience corrects presumptions. The odds on me being here are rather slim evolutionary speaking, yet in the infinite bounds of probability my being here is a certainty.
Delusion 'Fel Minmatar Nefarious Ratiocinations Zzz	Posted - 2007.08.23 13:37:00 - [49] Originally by: Phyrr Maybe it's just my experience hunting them, but I am telling you now. I know a macro when i see one. A real player is very easy to identify. Unless you are prepared to give macro hunting a try, it's gonna be like very hard to convey what I mean. It's like anything, experience corrects presumptions. interesting. Were it not for the fact you now know who i am, i would have been interested in testing that theory, as i meet all the observable criteria for being a macro'er and monitor local, i just dont chat to folks i dont know very often and stick to the private channels that i and those i know use regularly. Ive been tarred with the macro brush before myself, unfortunately, although tbh it doesnt bother me much. I mine ore, you are welcome to mine ore with me in a gang (and enjoy my mining foreman boosts) or you can sit there making the boring hours a little more fun by bouncing me...whatever really. At the end of the day if you're adamant you believe im a macroer and want to try to interrupt my play style, ill just warp to a new system and start over, or just dock and go mission running instead. By not being a bot i have those options. The way i look at it is, most "macro-hunters" will spend a lot of time trying to figure out if im a bot. All that time im making ore which makes me money, and since im a) not a bot and b) not stupid, the odds are good ill keep my ore and they just get to waste ammo shooting at a rapidly warping ship. They loose out at the end of the day, so who cares shrugs

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