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Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.02.05 20:18:00 - [1] Pilots clone-jumping back and forth & pilots podded in battle need to suffer greater penalties. Currently it is too easy to have 2 battleships in different stations, make hit and run in one system, then pod-jump back to another. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.02.05 20:27:00 - [2] Edited by: Mon Palae on 05/02/2004 20:29:09 Agreed...you should be stuck in-station after getting podded for, say, 15 minutes. If you need a 'reason' call it the time it takes your clone to fully awaken and get its bearings. Before that time your clone is too 'unreliable' a pilot to be flying ships so the station keeps you inside for a bit.
pooti	Posted - 2004.02.05 20:28:00 - [3] Nah, I think the inability to carry implants is enough of a deterrent for high-level players (and who cares if a buncha frigate geeks do it). At least for clone-jumping. As for getting podded in battle, yeah, probably.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.02.05 20:29:00 - [4] I would say at least an hour AND the risk of losing skillpoints should be increased. There are certain pilots of a certain corporation who clone-jump several times a day with no impendiment. It's quite imbalanced. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Atar	Posted - 2004.02.05 20:33:00 - [5] Well I learned my lesson with that. I tried the clone jump thingy forgetting I had a couple of implants. They where basic ones but still. Errrrrrr Will not be doing that again!
Alexis Machine	Posted - 2004.02.05 20:38:00 - [6] Well..er.. yeah! Not saying it shouldn't have some sort of fallback.. but still.. ----------------sig---------------------------- Dtai'kai'-dte sa-de nau'gkon dtain'aun bpi-de. if you don't wake up, i'll have to stop kissing you. all that flailing has made you sleepy. you rest while i untie you. stay here until they find you. My hand made mannequin. i won't let them get you. they'll know you're mine by the fingerprints on your throat. isn't she lovely? isn't she wonderful? like the *****s that we are, swatting flies from the wounds we design.
Kalki Nibiru	Posted - 2004.02.05 20:49:00 - [7] I too have thought about this for a long time. Its not that clone jumping is unballanced, its that losing your clone has no consequences, podding someone does nothing except put them at a station. A clone is the most readily affordable item in game, the way they staggered the clones in relation to skill points works out extremely well, however since everyone can afford one and only a mere lapse in memory would forget someone to upgrade, there is no downside to being podded. What we cannot have is restricting people to staying in a station after being podded, this is a game, people need to have fun first and not be punished. However, what I do invision is a small form of punishment based on what clone you use, for example, a starting character dies and their clone activates, they now earn half the skill points for X minutes, where as if I had to activate my 6.4M point clone, I would earn learn at half speed for at least 24 Hours. What this does is actually puts consequences into dying and being podded (other than losing implants). For those of you who want to RP every situation, here is a way to RP this. "You have just woken up from your cryogenic sleep, the present and what has just happened remains frighteningly real, however your long term memories are hazy, the doctors quickly remind you that this is just a side effect of waking up from the cryogenic sleep, they estimate you should be back to normal in X hours, X minutes, X seconds" Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate . <Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market? <Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2004.02.05 21:33:00 - [8] there should be a skill training penalty, like when u get poded ur skill will train slower, so decrease it for each time u die... and the next day u can train everything at normal speed again... "We brake for nobody"
Scragg	Posted - 2004.02.05 21:43:00 - [9] Just add a random skill loss amount reguardless of your clone type. The idea is to make the time it takes to travel a better deal than it does to retrain the loss. Make it random just for fun. Since clones are a type of insurance to guard your skill points in the event of an untimely death I'd say clone traveling is using a game system in a way it was never intended. So, fix it so clones meet their intended uses and no one abuses them. Scragg, Tyrell Corporation Vice-Director Military Operations
Deloup Drakar	Posted - 2004.02.05 22:04:00 - [10] How about your skills coming back online over time via rank or even skill points. Via Rank: Rank 1: 1 minute Rank 2: 5 minutes Rank 3: 10 minutes . . . Rank 8: 1 hour Via Skillpoints: Each skill that has all it's prerequisites filled at that points gains 200 points a second til it hits the ammount it was pre-death (to get to battleship 2 it would take about a total of 52 minutes as it would need frigate 4, then cruiser 4, then can train up battleship to 2. RE5 or PE5 would take about an hour and a half) Both of these examples would roleplay out the getting useta your new body and your mind clearing. You'll learn the basic skills first then when your mind sharpens it could handle harder tasks.
TWD	Posted - 2004.02.05 22:10:00 - [11] Edited by: TWD on 05/02/2004 22:11:30 Having 1+ hour activation time for a clone also helps a bit against annoying spy alt scouts.
Scragg	Posted - 2004.02.05 22:13:00 - [12] Actually not a bad idea but an hour might be a bit to long. 30 minutes maybe. Or some sliding scale based on your skill points so you don't penalize the actual noobs that die a lot. Scragg, Tyrell Corporation Vice-Director Military Operations
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.02.05 22:20:00 - [13] Quote: ...I'd say clone traveling is using a game system in a way it was never intended. So, fix it so clones meet their intended uses and no one abuses them. Actually it isn't. Read the link Alexis Machine provided above. Clone travel is part of the EVE backstory. That however does not mean that clone travel shouldn't bear some penalties. Nothing too permanent but inconvenient enough to make people think twice. Kind of absurd to think you can die, awaken and be out travelling again ten seconds after your death with no ill effects beyond maybe losing implants. - Make some minimum time someone must stay in station upon clone revival (15 minutes to 30 minutes maybe...an hour might be stretching the pain as we want inconvenience and not outright pain). - Some skill point loss would seem to be in order but given that the much greater percentage of people who are podded are those ganked by pirates this might well see pirates prosper even more by holding down the development of others while their's races ahead. This would give an even greater incentive to podkill someone for many pirates (I know many don't need any incentive at all but some apply some restraint in whoe they decide should or should not be podded). This also just reinforces people's acquiesence to paying off pirates which is great for the pirates but I'm not so sure I like. Obscenely wealthy pirates will just get wealthier which again while great for them doesn;t enhance the overall EVE universe much.
Lansfear	Posted - 2004.02.05 23:56:00 - [14] Edited by: Lansfear on 06/02/2004 00:00:10 Quote: I would say at least an hour AND the risk of losing skillpoints should be increased. It's quite imbalanced. If I get ganked I sure as hell don't want to wait an hour to go back and get ganked again! The cost of clones and the inability to use implants is by far enough penelty. I have 6.5 million skill points and my skill training times are insane now, but because I get killed on a weekly basis, no implants for me. Those implants would surely cut my time by ALOT, so in my eyes, not being able to use inmplants is by far penalty enough. Add a time to clone activation and I'm going back to being a mining carebear with a full set of implants. Wait..... what am I saying....
Kayosoni	Posted - 2004.02.06 00:00:00 - [15] Aww josh, don't like me being able to own people in Curse, catch, and stain at the same time? Well, you know how hard it is to get scorps into stain :P Anyway, while were on this sort of subject, I wouldn't be too against having like a small wait time after clone jumping before you can do much... like maybe 10 minutes. Same with repairing a battleship, it should not be able to go back into battle after being repaired for 10-30 minutes.
KIAHicks	Posted - 2004.02.06 00:22:00 - [16] no to skill loss. It could end the game for some people through a bug or silly mistake. But the idea of a slowed training time is certainly worth looking into more. Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
Denathis Arabar	Posted - 2004.02.06 00:25:00 - [17] Its a toughy, i sort of agree, but again its only needed for the people who abuse it. But the real people you will punish are those who are killed in battle or new players. It would be annoying in a game playing sense to have to sit for 30 minutes or an hour after you had been ganked. There is no way to tell who is genuinly killed and who is sailing about in a pod to get killed to travel. I agree with repair times too, but again this is a bad thing in game, as in a battle sure the ship should be out of commision for a while, but imagine how many players it will put out who only have a few hours to play a night?
dalman	Posted - 2004.02.06 00:33:00 - [18] Quote: Nah, I think the inability to carry implants is enough of a deterrent for high-level players (and who cares if a buncha frigate geeks do it). At least for clone-jumping. As for getting podded in battle, yeah, probably. My guess is that Josh is refferring to OC... Pretty much EVERYONE in their corp has an alt with, say 300.000 skillpoints, which is enough to fly a blackbird, use torpedos, use all kinds of EW and scrambling etc... Then they use these alts to clone jump all around EVE. A new clone cost like 15.000 isk and they have no implants... You may fight them in Curse, then next second they've clone jumped 10 blackbird pilots to a system in stain and go out hunting for lone battleships there, since everyone is totally unprepared for 10 CA blackbirds suddenly being 40 jumps away from where they were a minute ago. Very smart tactic, but pretty lame, and a 15 minute timer before you can leave the station after cloning would be a good idea IMO. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.02.06 00:34:00 - [19] This thread is conclusive proof that Richard Pryor was 100% correct when he said: Quote: When you go around looking for justice...that's all you find, just us The only way people can conceive its fair to impact the time a person pays for in a game like this is when they have no intention of having it applied to themselves. The look of utter shock when it finally happens to them anyways is usually hilarious I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Mon Palae	Posted - 2004.02.06 00:45:00 - [20] Quote: The only way people can conceive its fair to impact the time a person pays for in a game like this is when they have no intention of having it applied to themselves. The look of utter shock when it finally happens to them anyways is usually hilarious Nonsense. I pay to play as much as you do. If you (and I mean 'you' as in anybody) finds a way to abuse the game mechanics then you are affecting MY time. Moving pilots 40j in a matter of seconds and abusing ALTs in this manner is most definitely taking advantage of loopholes. I wonlt call it an exploit and it is clever but it still unravels the gameplay mechanics for a very few to benefit from I support a minimum waiting time in station knowing full well it will happen to me.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2004.02.06 01:06:00 - [21] Quote: Quote: The only way people can conceive its fair to impact the time a person pays for in a game like this is when they have no intention of having it applied to themselves. The look of utter shock when it finally happens to them anyways is usually hilarious Nonsense. I pay to play as much as you do. If you (and I mean 'you' as in anybody) finds a way to abuse the game mechanics then you are affecting MY time. Moving pilots 40j in a matter of seconds and abusing ALTs in this manner is most definitely taking advantage of loopholes. I wonlt call it an exploit and it is clever but it still unravels the gameplay mechanics for a very few to benefit from I support a minimum waiting time in station knowing full well it will happen to me. And I hope someone spends a nice long day making sure 99% of your play time is spent waiting in a station if something so asinine was implemented. Undock->Podded by the people waiting for you. Wait 15 minutes->Undock->Podded by the people still waiting for you. Wait 15 minutes->Change clone location->Undock->Podded by the people still waiting for you. Appear in your nice new clone station->Wait 15 minutes. Congratulations! You've just wasted 45 minutes of your game time staring at the inside of a station! I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Kayosoni	Posted - 2004.02.06 01:46:00 - [22] Hey dalman, Vina feels insulted that you think she can only fly a blackbird :P Say you're sorry!
Elizar	Posted - 2004.02.06 01:56:00 - [23] Quote: Just add a random skill loss amount reguardless of your clone type. The idea is to make the time it takes to travel a better deal than it does to retrain the loss. Make it random just for fun. Since clones are a type of insurance to guard your skill points in the event of an untimely death I'd say clone traveling is using a game system in a way it was never intended. So, fix it so clones meet their intended uses and no one abuses them. But in the peek of the week 'one to many' It seems to point out that this method of travel is 'okay' and used by the wealthy...Now lets see a flood of posts from the billion airs opting to have the price increased http://webpages.charter.net/atwtnick/sig.jpg
dalman	Posted - 2004.02.06 01:57:00 - [24] Quote: Hey dalman, Vina feels insulted that you think she can only fly a blackbird :P Say you're sorry! Yea, I know your alt can fly a Scorpion too, maybe more battleships, but I guess that one is on another account? If so, that's not really as much of a problem, as your clone actually cost some money(1 or 2M), and you're paying for a character on which you can't use implants. A 15 minute timer would still be a good idea though. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Kayosoni	Posted - 2004.02.06 01:59:00 - [25] Yes it's on another account, and yes I agree with the 15 min timer. I also want that in for repaired battleships (as I said earlier.) Or perhaps a time multilier by how damaged the battleship is (into hull only.)
Kalki Nibiru	Posted - 2004.02.06 03:02:00 - [26] Listen to what I said, dont have timers limiting you to being able to play, have a system where the more skill points you have (IE which clone you have) is given a skill training penalty for when you are podded or clone jump. What this idea doesnt do is stop you from playing the game, it re-inforces that dying has consequences. It doesnt punish the new players either since their 'half-speed' skill training lasts for a very short period of time where as veterans who have been around since release or damn near close will have a much larger time to wait until they can train at normal speed. The reason why this idea is so great is because you can still play the game, you arent forced to sit in a station doing nothing, you arent forced to quit the game and come back 30 mins later and play, and most importantly you dont need to go through an imposed skill loss and retrain any skills. Basically you have a system where death in any form (clone jump or podding) is something thats generally bad, but not so bad that people will want to quit the game. Remember, the idea is not to punish the new players for dying, but to stagger the effects so that once you do have 6-7M skill points, you are going to wait at least 12hrs before you can train at normal speed. Taken from the May 29th 2003 Devchat at EveGate . <Muaddid> Q: When will sentry gun and station and similar construction pods be introduced on the market? <Hellmar> we have various player owned entities already implemented. Sentry guns, power/shield generators, field repair mini-stations, mobile refineries. We are still working out the last tidbits of how they can be over taken, what is the penalty of having a sentry gun kill a n00b etc. and we have been a bit busy with plugging the holes that people have found.I would say that you'd start to see these items on the market in about 2-3 weeks, very expensive to begin with
dalman	Posted - 2004.02.06 03:52:00 - [27] Kalki, if you read what I said, the problem is NOT with character that have like 9 million skill points. A new clone for them cost 2M isk. The problem is with alts that have between 200 and 300.000 skillpoints. And these alts are not being trained. They have the skills they need for their purpose. You idea would not help to solve this problem, just make death more costly for everyone else. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Dreez	Posted - 2004.02.06 04:25:00 - [28] Edited by: Dreez on 06/02/2004 04:29:21 Awwww... you want some cheese to that whine ? Quote: You idea would not help to solve this problem So our tactics is a problem that you cannot handle by your own, so you run to CCP and cry for them to "remove" our tactics... get real. 'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
dalman	Posted - 2004.02.06 04:52:00 - [29] Quote: Edited by: Dreez on 06/02/2004 04:29:21 Awwww... you want some cheese to that whine ? Quote: You idea would not help to solve this problem So our tactics is a problem that you cannot handle by your own, so you run to CCP and cry for them to "remove" our tactics... get real. You know that I don't have any problems handling it. Others may have. I don't know how successful you've been with it, but since you've used it many times against both CA and SA I guess it's working. And I also guess that it's something that CCP didn't plan as a feature in the game (they were thinking of removing the self-destruct option on pods, remember?), but rather you taking advantage of a flaw in the game. Hence it is a problem with game mechanics. M.I.A. since 2004-07-30
Void	Posted - 2004.02.06 05:05:00 - [30] Clone travil is a valid stratigy that takes time to set up the resources needs and costs you to use. It's not like anyone can jump anywhere and have a ship waiting for them. You have to do quite a bit to have it set up for you and you can not use implants and it costs you money each time you do it. Clone travil is no more imblanced then muliple warp core stabilizers, safe spots, using drones to make lag, killing small ships and warping out, instant jumping indies, or many other things you do not seem to be complaining about but seem just fine using. So how about them apple? Just a friendly thought, no offence ment and non taken about you not liking C4 being able to kick it too you all over eve in the same day.

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