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...I'd say clone traveling is using a game system in a way it was never intended. So, fix it so clones meet their intended uses and no one abuses them.

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I would say at least an hour AND the risk of losing skillpoints should be increased.

It's quite imbalanced.

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Nah, I think the inability to carry implants is enough of a deterrent for high-level players (and who cares if a buncha frigate geeks do it). At least for clone-jumping.

As for getting podded in battle, yeah, probably.

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When you go around looking for justice...that's all you find, just us

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The only way people can conceive its fair to impact the time a person pays for in a game like this is when they have no intention of having it applied to themselves.

The look of utter shock when it finally happens to them anyways is usually hilarious

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The only way people can conceive its fair to impact the time a person pays for in a game like this is when they have no intention of having it applied to themselves.

The look of utter shock when it finally happens to them anyways is usually hilarious

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Nonsense.

I pay to play as much as you do. If you (and I mean 'you' as in anybody) finds a way to abuse the game mechanics then you are affecting MY time. Moving pilots 40j in a matter of seconds and abusing ALTs in this manner is most definitely taking advantage of loopholes. I wonlt call it an exploit and it is clever but it still unravels the gameplay mechanics for a very few to benefit from

I support a minimum waiting time in station knowing full well it will happen to me.

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Just add a random skill loss amount reguardless of your clone type. The idea is to make the time it takes to travel a better deal than it does to retrain the loss. Make it random just for fun.

Since clones are a type of insurance to guard your skill points in the event of an untimely death I'd say clone traveling is using a game system in a way it was never intended. So, fix it so clones meet their intended uses and no one abuses them.

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Hey dalman, Vina feels insulted that you think she can only fly a blackbird :P

Say you're sorry!

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You idea would not help to solve this problem

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Edited by: Dreez on 06/02/2004 04:29:21
Awwww... you want some cheese to that whine ?

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You idea would not help to solve this problem

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So our tactics is a problem that you cannot
handle by your own, so you run to CCP and cry
for them to "remove" our tactics... get real.

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CCP stated since early beta that there would be interbus which you could use to travel around. What is the difference except for the fact that we have to sacrifice the use of implants as well as paying far more to travel than a reasonable interbus fee would be?

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Listen to what I said, dont have timers limiting you to being able to play, have a system where the more skill points you have (IE which clone you have) is given a skill training penalty for when you are podded or clone jump.

What this idea doesnt do is stop you from playing the game, it re-inforces that dying has consequences. It doesnt punish the new players either since their 'half-speed' skill training lasts for a very short period of time where as veterans who have been around since release or damn near close will have a much larger time to wait until they can train at normal speed.

The reason why this idea is so great is because you can still play the game, you arent forced to sit in a station doing nothing, you arent forced to quit the game and come back 30 mins later and play, and most importantly you dont need to go through an imposed skill loss and retrain any skills.

Basically you have a system where death in any form (clone jump or podding) is something thats generally bad, but not so bad that people will want to quit the game.

Remember, the idea is not to punish the new players for dying, but to stagger the effects so that once you do have 6-7M skill points, you are going to wait at least 12hrs before you can train at normal speed.

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Listen to what I said, dont have timers limiting you to being able to play, have a system where the more skill points you have (IE which clone you have) is given a skill training penalty for when you are podded or clone jump.

What this idea doesnt do is stop you from playing the game, it re-inforces that dying has consequences. It doesnt punish the new players either since their 'half-speed' skill training lasts for a very short period of time where as veterans who have been around since release or damn near close will have a much larger time to wait until they can train at normal speed.

The reason why this idea is so great is because you can still play the game, you arent forced to sit in a station doing nothing, you arent forced to quit the game and come back 30 mins later and play, and most importantly you dont need to go through an imposed skill loss and retrain any skills.

Basically you have a system where death in any form (clone jump or podding) is something thats generally bad, but not so bad that people will want to quit the game.

Remember, the idea is not to punish the new players for dying, but to stagger the effects so that once you do have 6-7M skill points, you are going to wait at least 12hrs before you can train at normal speed.

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This playerbase is home to people that have set alarm clocks to wake them up to set a skill, gotten angry at spouses trying to explain how to change a skill over the telephone, rushed home from work (prolly endangering lives) to change skills, complained massively about extended downtimes affecting their skill training and the extremely scary admission from one person that they jumped up in the middle of sex with their girlfriend to set a skill.

Aside from the issue pointed out about not affecting half trained specialty alts...just how well do you think such a feature would go over with people like that?

Given the aforementioned actual occurances that have been reported on these forums, I hope you live in a castle with boiling oil on the ramparts. I can see a lynch mob of skill training zombies after your living flesh

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Clone-jumping simply negates everything CCP has tried to do with stargates/mwd's in order to make systems defensible.

How on earth do you plan on defending a system if pilots don't even have to physically travel to your system via any of your carefully planned defenses when they can just pod themselves 60 jumps away and voila! re-appear in your backyard without a hitch to their progress.

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I would say at least an hour AND the risk of losing skillpoints should be increased.

There are certain pilots of a certain corporation who clone-jump several times a day with no impendiment.

It's quite imbalanced.

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Listen to what I said, dont have timers limiting you to being able to play, have a system where the more skill points you have (IE which clone you have) is given a skill training penalty for when you are podded or clone jump.

What this idea doesnt do is stop you from playing the game, it re-inforces that dying has consequences. It doesnt punish the new players either since their 'half-speed' skill training lasts for a very short period of time where as veterans who have been around since release or damn near close will have a much larger time to wait until they can train at normal speed.

The reason why this idea is so great is because you can still play the game, you arent forced to sit in a station doing nothing, you arent forced to quit the game and come back 30 mins later and play, and most importantly you dont need to go through an imposed skill loss and retrain any skills.

Basically you have a system where death in any form (clone jump or podding) is something thats generally bad, but not so bad that people will want to quit the game.

Remember, the idea is not to punish the new players for dying, but to stagger the effects so that once you do have 6-7M skill points, you are going to wait at least 12hrs before you can train at normal speed.

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Invoking a skill training penalty is nothing but a slap on the wrist for the podee and two fingers in the face of the poder. Call me old fashioned but when I pod someone in battle I like to think that 'my' actions 'there & then' are having an decisive impact on game play; when you remove a chess piece from the game that's it, it's gone, and you capitalise on your advantage. A time sink on clone activation would underscore the main objective of battle, to defeat your opponent chiefly by delivering death and removing them from the battle arena. A clone or clones returning ten minutes later to the battle scene ærefreshedÆ but with reduced skill training times may actually hold the bigger advantage over battle worn opponents, any æperceivedÆ disadvantage of reduced skill training would have no impact on their performance.

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• Cost of clone
• Loss of implant use
• Must have ships at multiple locations
• Dont forget all the gear and ammo
• office required
• Chance of skill loss through botched clone

• Cost of bus

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Notice how EV completely aviods the FACT that eve was supposed to have interbus which would've actually allowed us to do this with even less cost and downsides.

Also notice that while OC was fighting FOR SA using this tactic AGAINST the CA they had no problems with it whatsoever.

Downsides of Clone travel:

• Cost of clone
• Loss of implant use
• Must have ships at multiple locations
• Dont forget all the gear and ammo
• office required

Downsides of Interbus:

• Cost of bus

ummm, thats it? Give me interbus please!

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Jash, you're a great one for risk versus reward.

Where's the risk in clone-jumping beyond prepared defenses?

It's a cowards way out, if you ask me.
There's no point in setting up multiple blockades along a route if OC can just turn back to Ipref, pod themselves, and re-appear 34 jumps away behind our defenses.

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For flips sakes, does no-one see the point?

IF THEY CLONE-JUMP THEY DO NOT TRAVEL ANYWHERE AND THAT DRAMTICALLY REDUCES THE CHANCES OF SUCCESSFULLY DEFENDING A GROUP OF SYSTEMS.

IF THEY TRAVEL NORMALLY tO A SYSTEM YOU HAVE MULTIPLE INSTANCES TO DEFEND.

Clone-jumping, to me, is far far worse than a carebearingest carebear using insta-jump bookmarks to travel everywhere.

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Before you get all high and mighty as usual, Docklar, you may wish to consider WHY Interbus has not been introduced. -[EV]Josh

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Call me old fashioned but when I pod someone in battle I like to think that 'my' actions 'there & then' are having an decisive impact on game play; when you remove a chess piece from the game that's it, it's gone, and you capitalise on your advantage.

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