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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.08.21 13:52:00 -
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After a long summer vacation we're back with the Live Dev Blogs! First out is QA who will answer all your questions about Quality Assurance and what it is they do.
To participate in the Live Dev Blog you have to have EVE Voice active and join the in-game channel "Live Dev Blog". If you can't make it we will provide a downloadable copy of the chat on Friday and as soon as we can we will also add a transcript.
This is the questions thread, please do not discuss the Live Dev Blog here, just post your questions for the Devs!
Wrangler
Community Manager
EVE Online
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Fredou
Gallente
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: Fredou on 21/08/2007 14:10:36
why removing the trade forum?
lots of things missing on the contract system...
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Fredou
Gallente
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:37:00 -
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what might you think that the current contract system is mature enough to replace the trade forums?
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Adam C
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:50:00 -
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will ccp ever sell/licence the eve online - engine (trinity?) out to other companies so they can make their version i.e. star trek?
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DeODokktor
Caldari
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2007.08.21 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: DeODokktor on 21/08/2007 14:52:50
pah..
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Skarsnik
Caldari
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.08.21 15:48:00 -
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Edited by: Skarsnik on 21/08/2007 15:50:07
Edited by: Skarsnik on 21/08/2007 15:48:29
QA blog.. nice, time to get the pen and paper out :)
1) How do yuo perform Functional Testing of the client, is this all done manually or have you got some automation tools to perform this task?
2) In regards to both Functional and Non-Functional testing have you got a core set of scenarios that you have compiled? and if so how was this determined, data mining on SQL transactions or some other way?
3) How do you envisage and how do you Performance test, is this against a realistic environment similar to TQ or a cut down verion? Do you use nodes with 1 system on them or more like TQ with 2 or more systems per node?
4) What Non-Functional and Functional Testing software do you currently use? i.e. Winrunner for functional, or QALoad for Non-Functional??
5) IN what way are you performing your analysis of the core scenarios you have? Are you looking at the core transaction times alongside memory and cpu usage?
I'm sure i have more Q's but I'll edit later. 
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:12:00 -
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Q: Considering the huge list in this thread of features that Contracts is sorely lacking, including the complete lack of ability to advertise services of any sort, why in god's name are you deleting the trade forums?
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reaping miner
Gallente
Huff and Puff
Blood Raiders Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:23:00 -
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are ther going to be nerfs ?
iam esspecially talking about ships and modules
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Taurequis
Waylander 01
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:25:00 -
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 Originally by: Dark Shikari
Q: Considering the huge list in this thread of features that Contracts is sorely lacking, including the complete lack of ability to advertise services of any sort, why in god's name are you deleting the trade forums?
Exactly what DS said. 
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Mack Dorgeans
Camelot Innovations
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Mack Dorgeans on 21/08/2007 16:28:58
How does it feel to have your QA blog hijacked thanks to some really bad forum and game decisions that have recently been announced after many scheduled blogs were canceled?
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Hexxx
Minmatar
ironwood ink
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:31:00 -
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Considering the complete and utter lack of support by the Contract system for selling the following:
1) Shares Commonly used for IPO's, including stocks and bonds.
2) Services (Services sell based on customer feedback, pricing history, discussion of Service details. Service sales should support this.)
How can CCP justify removing the buy and sell forums in light of the (in my opinion) significant lack of Contract functionality for Shares and Services.
Hexxx LLP - Business Consulting Services - IPO's, Business Plans, Share/Stock Pricing, and general Consulting.
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Ezoran DuBlaidd
Rivers Enterprises
Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Q: Considering the huge list in this thread of features that Contracts is sorely lacking, including the complete lack of ability to advertise services of any sort, why in god's name are you deleting the trade forums?
i'm sorry, but who exactly do i direct my hate towards -- who made the decision to shut down the buy/sell forums, because by so doing, you're forcing me to publicly agree with dark shikari.
why was this horrid decision made? i mean, all the people making the decisions play the game, right? that IS what we've been told all these months.
so based upon that, do the people running/playing the game NEVER use the buy/sell forums? if so, they must be in the 1% minority.
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Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:40:00 -
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First question that I have for the QA department is regarding the Known Issues page. This often seems to lag behind actual known issues and I was wondering what the current process is for updating this page and what plans you have for improving this page?
Second, I noticed that with regards to Rev 2.2, the Dev team seems to have been more open about balancing efforts. I have been happy to see that much of the feedback from the community has been used to refine this patch prior to its release. Is this a trend that we can continue to expect? If so, what can we do as a community to help?
Thirdly, regarding invention, currently this seems to be quite a blackbox. I have read much speculation on the possiblity that parts of it (specificly when skills are trained to level 5) might be broken. Given that there is limited feedback from the interface regarding the success rate of invention jobs. What can we do as a community to assist with testing to make sure that this is in fact working as intended? Especially since we have no real information on what the intended behavior is.
Lastly, I would like to voice the same concern that many in the community have regarding the recent news item:
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Q: Considering the huge list in this thread of features that Contracts is sorely lacking, including the complete lack of ability to advertise services of any sort, why in god's name are you deleting the trade forums?
I don't see this as material for the live dev blog, but I would like to add another request that you please address the concerns of the community with some further explination or comments in that announcement's official thread.
Originally by: CCP Prism X
P.S. If you think you're reading some information through the lines here, you're wrong. I'm actually just bored.
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Grobie
Caldari
Trolltech Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.08.21 16:52:00 -
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What will you offer me as time killer in the stead of browsing for good offer on the trade forums (which cant be "browsed" with the current Contract System) when I mine / icemine / haul / do other tendious and repeating thing in EVE? Because, very frankly: I enjoyed just that :)
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Sofitia Mourtos
GALAXIAN
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:01:00 -
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Given the fact that eve have worked with the trade-forums basicly since launch, in that time certain "standards" have been put in place.
Stuff like sniper-rules in auctions and general terms as to how to handle trades (especialy auctions).
How did the current revision of the contracts get though QA without mirroring the functions/features that the members of the eve community have established over the years ?
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Sprobe
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:01:00 -
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How is the social system doing? Are Animations looking good? Do you know this new dynamic animation system that Indiana Jones IV is going to use? Verrry cool. Will it look like that?
And .. hmm.. what's exactly going to be in the next major upgrade? Specifically concerning the 3d engine upgrade? Details plz..
and something for the future: how about flying in planet's atmosphere? or land on planets? are planets going to get some love in the near future? even if they are not "interactivly" used, will you enhance them a little, like detailing the surface animations? are there plans to make Eve's space more "space-like"? It's fantastic how light effects are used (e.g. lens flare), will there be more of it?
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Cornucopian
Gallente
Dutch Omega
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Hexxx
Considering the complete and utter lack of support by the Contract system for selling the following:
1) Shares Commonly used for IPO's, including stocks and bonds.
2) Services (Services sell based on customer feedback, pricing history, discussion of Service details. Service sales should support this.)
How can CCP justify removing the buy and sell forums in light of the (in my opinion) significant lack of Contract functionality for Shares and Services.
Q. CCP, how can you have realised to late that your community is using the game to do things you havent even thought of??
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Richard Kitan
United Space Republic Research
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Posted - 2007.08.21 17:41:00 -
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Q: Who decided to kill off the buy/sell forums, what are they smoking, and where can I get some?
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Tsunamisan
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:35:00 -
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After reading tsome previous dev blogs on the forums i ran across the Khanid-2 update and realized that the Curse (Recon ship) was not in this list. Question (1) is how will this ship change with not only the Khanid updates but with the Nosferatu nurf which is being planned for a later release since this ship relys heavily on Nos and Nutes.
Question (2) also regarding the Nosferatu. Specifically for Amarr that rely so heavily on capacitor regen to fire their lasers. I am abrade this nurf will hit them to the point people will stop playing Amarr because ther is no way to regulate the capacitor usage of energy turrets. Whats your views on this subject?
(3) when will the Medium and Large Tractor beams be released now that th Capital Tractor beam is being implemented for the Capital industrial ship?
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Arenis Xemdal
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.21 18:44:00 -
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Removing local chat has been discussed for years, both by players and by CCP. Can we get a definitive answer if, when, and how this will be done?
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Deepspace Wanderer
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Posted - 2007.08.21 19:08:00 -
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given the apparent unpopularity of the trading forum nerf, is there a chance that this change may be delayed/cancelled, as per the mineral compression nerf?
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stinull
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:08:00 -
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1  Any idea on when T2 Bships are gonne be there?
2 Is it possibel to close trade channels for trial accounts. Because trial accounts are getting used alot by isk sellers.
3 Any new invention skills coming.
I probably cant make it to the live Dev chat. Hope my qeustions get an answer here.
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Slime Andrew
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:17:00 -
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1. When we can expect linux client of EVE? Any dates for that one?
2. New graphics engine for dx10 will be possible to run under linux?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:56:00 -
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Are you guys in charge of the patch notes section of the website?
the subsections are largely ignored.
these pages needed to be updated as it looks very unprofessional, for things like heat to be listing as upcoming feature when they are allready in the game.
So, my questions is...
Why aren't updates to the website like the item database and sub-sections of the patch notes updated the day of release of a new expansion or patch?
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Selnix
Gallente
Master Miners
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.21 21:59:00 -
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Now that the Khanid changes are going to make the Heretic a more focused and useful ship and the Flycatcher is getting a buff to CPU and Grid to help it maintain its usefulness, is there any chance that the Eris will ever get some love? It was bad enough having the poorest slot arrangement and a split high slot arrangement and pretty much no way to tank and tackle at the same time without being too slow to tackle anything that you might be able to tank, but now the two that were still able to laugh at the Eris before are so far ahead that the hilarity is waning. Trying real hard not to mention that other interdictor that everyone uses for their example when they whine about how overpowered they are and beg for them to be nerfed...
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The Economist
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Posted - 2007.08.21 22:13:00 -
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1. Is the current cloaking bs epidemic viewed as a problem to be solved or "working as indended"; by this I am referring to the tendency of every npc'er in 0.0 to fit one and therefore be invulnerable within a couple of seconds of anyone else entering the system. If it is a problem, do you have any ideas as to how to ameliorate it?
2. It was mentioned that the Apocalypse would be getting a new, more defined role, any new on this front?
3. What is your view on the oft-repeated "beams use too much powergrid"?
4. What is the current status of the planetary interaction ideas? A while back basic planetary interaction seemed imminent (with footage of planetary flight at a fanfest etc) but has since faded into the background only to be over-taken by ambulation. Is it still in the pipeline and being developed? Is it in the bin? etc..
5. Has the introduction of Capital Salvagers with increased range been considered for the rorqual?
6. What is your view on the current state of titans? Since the nerf they have seen very little use except for one or two instances (one of which being a semi-kamikaze piloting error) since they can be held in place by a ship costing 10-20mil and can no longer project their firepower remotely. While I think it's safe to say most people agree that something needed to be done to bring them onto the battlefield more and reduce their "Hi...BOOM...Bye" factor; do you feel that perhaps you went too far? If so, any plans for super-cap changes?
7. Comets....looked insteresting way back when, failed to materialise, no mention for ages; still planned? Scrapped? Any info?
8. Complex Fullerene Shards: Please spill the beans. What were they going to be used for when you told us to hang onto them so long ago? Will they ever be used for anything? Been niggling at my mind for so long...
9. T2 BS; any ideas that don't include heat as an intergral part?
10. Does this moustache make me look like I should join the MGRL?
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Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.21 23:20:00 -
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1) Given the recent annoucement regarding the situation of the AURORA team, how do CCP plan to run ingame events and ensuring the continued forward progress of the game's backstory in the immediate future?
2) There has been a lot of concern shown from the RP community regarding the lack of advancement in some very important ARCs such as the Amarr sucession, which are potentially gamebreaking on in character terms for those who choose to support the intended factions.
What is CCP's intention long term with regards to providing a stable and flowing RP background for those who choose to roleplay?
3) With the effective disbandment of the AURORA team coming around in future, will we see a more generalised scope of RP based events in future rather than a focus on the four main factions, which at some point has left pirate factions and the minor sovereign entities such as the Khanid Kingdom and Ammatar Mandate in the shade?
4) Also with regards to future RP, is there any plan to cater for those people whom choose not to allign themselves to a Faction? The lack of support for this has been highlighted and seen most prominently with the prizes offered for the Fourth Alliance Tournament. In effect the question is; are there any plans to encourage more dynamic RP within the Eve community?
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Jurgan
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.08.22 06:44:00 -
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1) what's new about to avoid some players entity to have premium contact with some CCP employee , and by extension "potentially" getting some untrackable advantages....
2) is there any planning in medium / long term , of introduction in a new shape of the minesfields
3) when can we expect to see first level of planetary interaction during 2008
thanks
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SonOTassadar
Within the Margin of Error
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Posted - 2007.08.22 07:29:00 -
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1. When can we see more pictures/movies of the new game engine?
2. When can we see more pictures/movies of the ambulation project?
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Caldari
g guild
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Posted - 2007.08.22 09:24:00 -
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My Question to the devs is:
When you click jump whilst at a stargate you will get a message along the lines of 'Session Change' however this does not guarantee that you have successfully initiated a jumpout
For example you are moving fast you hit a stargate - hit the jump button and you get session change message, you then bounce off the gate and out of jump range, the jump then doesnt actually happen - you do not change systems, is this a bug? if so the session change message should not show unless you are actually having a session change.
if you bounce out of range of a stargate once you have initiated the jump (clicked the jump button) surely you should still jump out regardless of where you ship moves too after that button is pressed? Is this the way it is intended to work and if so are there any intentions to fix this so that it works correctly.
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Kurak Vand
Minmatar
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.08.22 13:36:00 -
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Are you working to resolve the LAG and DESYNC issues; specifically regarding 200 person and up 'fleet battles'. Do you believe these problems can be fixed? When do you think CCP will have a functional way of handling large fleet battles?
Thanks.
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Lord MuffloN
Caldari
Interstellar Alcoholics Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.22 20:40:00 -
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Can we get texas hold 'em for the walking in stations project? 
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Lydia Brightlance
Gallente
M. Corp
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.08.22 20:48:00 -
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1) The dev blog stated that the Triage Module makes you immune to EW. Those who tested it on the test server found out it does not protect you. With the current trend of using a high amount of dampening vs any carrier will this feature be correctly implemented?
2) What are the plans with regards to blob lag?
3) With regards to blob lag, is a limit to the amount of people in a system something that is looked at as an option?
4) What is the status of the possible WoD (World of Darkness) MMO that was hinted at after the merger with White Wolf? (I know, not an Eve question, but I couldn't resist to ask)
5) Concerning Windows Vista. What would you recommend for use wit hEve, 64 or 32 bit?
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Nate D
New Atlantis Tek Corporation
The Nexus Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.22 23:07:00 -
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Edited by: Nate D on 22/08/2007 23:13:05
Around when can we expect to see Rev 3 hit Sisi?
I like that a lot of the bug reporting stuff has been opened up to the public where only the person who reported the bug can see it. However would it be possible to take that one step further and open up a list of things that have been confirmed at bugs (that are not exploits), the stuff the devs are currently working on, and fixes that should be in place to everyone who is an EVE member? I think this would solve a lot of the "CCP's not listening to us threads" and I'm sure CCP has some sort of internal list of things that need to be worked on.
What about statistics for bug reporting somewhere on the EVE-O site? Number of bugs (reported, confirmed, fixed) in the last (week, month, year, forever)
Would CCP ever consider taking steps to make EVE Open Source? (not really a QA question)
Could CCP implement a way for accounts on sisi NOT to expire if they've been payed for in the last 6 months or so?
Edit 1: Is any work being done to make EVE a bit more lifelike? Rotating planets, orbits, flying manually to another system puts you into that system?
Can't think of anything else.
-Nate
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Turbo Dogg
Polaris Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.23 00:17:00 -
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Hooray for QA! Bug Hunting is tough work! I'd like to see bug hunting statistics on the EVE Online site as well I think everyone would be very surprised at the load we handle!
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BH Eliohann
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Posted - 2007.08.23 06:44:00 -
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Edited by: BH Eliohann on 23/08/2007 06:45:33
at 1st: thank you for not shutting us down 
and now some questions:
1. a) what over improvements are to be expected for the BR-section for players? i think most appreciate the new
system due to it's increase in communication between the BHs and the players.
b) will there be a push to increase the cmunication even more? (out-dated known issues, testing, in development
sections)
2. if you are familiar with the capability-maturity-model, at what stage do you see the development process at CCP?
3. what kind of tests are performed before the code hits Sisi or any other server for that matter (unit test etc.)?
4. are these tests defined before the coding starts?
5. a) what methods are used to calculate the time plan for development projects?
b) how accurate have they been in the past?
c) how many time (in %) is reserved for QA in each process? do these times fluctuate?
all other questions would violate the NDA, but i can poke you on IRC 
keep up the good work!
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stinull
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Posted - 2007.08.23 07:19:00 -
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Looks like our qeustions dont get an answer at all. The dev live chat was all about heat and hardly about something else. So we stay in the dark with most of our qeustions.
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BH Eliohann
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Posted - 2007.08.23 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: stinull
Looks like our qeustions dont get an answer at all. The dev live chat was all about heat and hardly about something else. So we stay in the dark with most of our qeustions.
looks like your a bit confused with past chats. The chat for this thread is about to start today evening.
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iudex
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.08.23 08:49:00 -
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My 2 questions:
1) Shares from NPC Corporations:
Will we be able to own shares of NCP corporations (either by buying or as lp/standing reward) and trade them on the market ?
2) Eve banking system:
Are there any plans to creat npc banks where we transfer our isk to and get a little interest regularly ?
Thanks
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Lady Beauvoir
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Posted - 2007.08.23 10:59:00 -
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The recent dev blog stated that the trade channels will be closed in the future and thus all trade will move ingame. How do the developers plan to have the contract system support, for example,
- Supercapital trading
- Research services
- Share trading
- POS fueling services
... and in general, offering of OOB (out of the box) ideas which make EVE trading very real-world like?
Will there be a devblog stating on how the contract system will be developed and when this might happen? How long will the developers give the playerbase time to react and move to a 3rd party siten should the trade forums be shut down?
And, in general, what is the reason behind closing the well-working and widely used trade channels on the EVE-O forums?
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BH Eliohann
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Posted - 2007.08.23 11:25:00 -
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I somehow have the feeling that people are getting confused with a general QA = questions and answers and QA= quality assurance.
Anyway one more question from me:
The latest dev blog stated, that ECAID will help with the localistaion of the clients. This is a very good thing!
So what kind of tools will be available for this?
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stinull
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Posted - 2007.08.23 11:41:00 -
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Oeps my bad. My apoligies. Yeah was probably confused.
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Virrago
ISD BH
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.08.23 11:47:00 -
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Having been in the ISD BH team for 3 years now I have seen many changes.
1. What future steps have/will QA implement to further reduce the amount of bugs that slip through onto Tranquility and how do you see the Bug Hunting team will fit into this?
2. Something I have always been interested in knowing is how much of an impact does the Bug Hunting team affect the overall QA process.
Thanks
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Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.08.23 13:06:00 -
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After seeing some of the responses with the new bug report system, it seems like the bugs that only happen occasionally tend to bounce back with "sorry, can't reproduce it". Even if logs and screenshots etc are included,, and even if there is a thread about it with other ppl who have the same issue (which was linked in the bug reports) they are not attached to a defect. Does this mean that CCP knows that there is a problem, and doesn't intend to fix it? If so, why not? (Examples : Item duplication on the overview, wrong color on stuff in the overview)
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Posted - 2007.08.23 15:49:00 -
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Don't forget that this is a QA Dev blog and not a Content Dev blog. QA tests the problems Content makes 
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Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.08.23 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos
Don't forget that this is a QA Dev blog and not a Content Dev blog. QA tests the problems Content makes
You may want to consider putting someone in the fixing department aswell 
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