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Jemba'k Ko'cha
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Posted - 2004.03.02 01:36:00 -
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seriously, just take a look at that article and tell me that ain't the best bang for the buck out there right now?
that card is good, but like it says its the "new king of the budget class". i have allready set aside 300 notes in my budget to blow on a top notch card and it appears i can now get myself a radeon 9800XT for 300 quid which will also include halflife 2 (full game not just singleplayer) as well as the latest tomb raider game (not that i will play it). it beats everything nvidia can throw at it even the 5950. in addition i have enough airflow in my xaser III case to pump up the frequencies to get even more power out of it.
the bottleneck in my box is my gfx card, the rest of the system is running fast with a 2.6 intel HT (soon to be clocked to 3.2) 1gb or ddr400 ram and a lovely 17" iiyama 341s tft.... and anyway..retal therapy is good and the more you spend the better you feel about it :P lol
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Jemba'k Ko'cha
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Posted - 2004.03.02 01:36:00 -
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seriously, just take a look at that article and tell me that ain't the best bang for the buck out there right now?
that card is good, but like it says its the "new king of the budget class". i have allready set aside 300 notes in my budget to blow on a top notch card and it appears i can now get myself a radeon 9800XT for 300 quid which will also include halflife 2 (full game not just singleplayer) as well as the latest tomb raider game (not that i will play it). it beats everything nvidia can throw at it even the 5950. in addition i have enough airflow in my xaser III case to pump up the frequencies to get even more power out of it.
the bottleneck in my box is my gfx card, the rest of the system is running fast with a 2.6 intel HT (soon to be clocked to 3.2) 1gb or ddr400 ram and a lovely 17" iiyama 341s tft.... and anyway..retal therapy is good and the more you spend the better you feel about it :P lol
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Christiaan
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Posted - 2004.03.02 12:10:00 -
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I am using the radeon 9800 pro on a pentium4, 3Ghz with 1024MB ram... Thats quite hi-end atm, but the graphix are very good. Of course I dont know how much difference there is between the 9800 and nvidias.... I had a Geforce 2 before this, so it is a big difference.
I think both cards have problems, and thats why some people like the one card better, and some like the other better 
If you want my opinion, get the 9800! I love it... 
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Christiaan
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Posted - 2004.03.02 12:10:00 -
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I am using the radeon 9800 pro on a pentium4, 3Ghz with 1024MB ram... Thats quite hi-end atm, but the graphix are very good. Of course I dont know how much difference there is between the 9800 and nvidias.... I had a Geforce 2 before this, so it is a big difference.
I think both cards have problems, and thats why some people like the one card better, and some like the other better
If you want my opinion, get the 9800! I love it...
Search - Sig
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Jemba'k Ko'cha
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Posted - 2004.03.02 13:29:00 -
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I think both cards have problems, and thats why some people like the one card better, and some like the other better
tihnk its a lot to do with brand loyalty. much like AMD and Intel. sometimes people sit up however and notice that their favorite brand isnt living upto expectations so its time for a change. IE when i went from AMD to P4 and now when im considering going from Nvidia to ATI.
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Jemba'k Ko'cha
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Posted - 2004.03.02 13:29:00 -
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I think both cards have problems, and thats why some people like the one card better, and some like the other better
tihnk its a lot to do with brand loyalty. much like AMD and Intel. sometimes people sit up however and notice that their favorite brand isnt living upto expectations so its time for a change. IE when i went from AMD to P4 and now when im considering going from Nvidia to ATI.
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Failed
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Posted - 2004.03.03 13:34:00 -
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true enough, if you have the cash to spend on a top-notch card, do so, i prefer to stay in the cost-effectiveness high-end :)
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Posted - 2004.03.03 13:34:00 -
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true enough, if you have the cash to spend on a top-notch card, do so, i prefer to stay in the cost-effectiveness high-end :)
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.03.03 23:19:00 -
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Only people who can really answer this question are the eve developers. Usually though the current ATI cards have better image quality, ATI's FSAA is better than nvidias. Some even compare ATI's 2xAA to nvidias 4xAA.. (Yes, its that bad). 
So 1280*960 with 4xAF with 16xAF on an R3*0 should be better than anything a FX5950U could provide.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.03.03 23:19:00 -
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Only people who can really answer this question are the eve developers. Usually though the current ATI cards have better image quality, ATI's FSAA is better than nvidias. Some even compare ATI's 2xAA to nvidias 4xAA.. (Yes, its that bad).
So 1280*960 with 4xAF with 16xAF on an R3*0 should be better than anything a FX5950U could provide.
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Fanible
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:11:00 -
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I use a GeForce4-128mb on one computer, and a Radeon9800-128mb on another. They both run EVE at top graphic levels with no problems.
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The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
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Fanible
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Posted - 2004.03.04 09:11:00 -
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I use a GeForce4-128mb on one computer, and a Radeon9800-128mb on another. They both run EVE at top graphic levels with no problems.
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The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.03.04 19:15:00 -
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I use a GeForce4-128mb on one computer, and a Radeon9800-128mb on another. They both run EVE at top graphic levels with no problems.
It that a Geforce 4 MX? 
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.03.04 19:15:00 -
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I use a GeForce4-128mb on one computer, and a Radeon9800-128mb on another. They both run EVE at top graphic levels with no problems.
It that a Geforce 4 MX?
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Zervun
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Posted - 2004.03.04 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Zervun on 04/03/2004 21:12:10
My ATI 9700 Sapphire Pro (overclocked 385/375) runs 2 instances of eve flawlessly without any lag, 1280x1024 both screens 2xaa 8xaf. Can put aa to 4 & af to 16af triple on one screen at 1600x1200.
Remember 99% of ATI problems in games are operator error not the card or drivers itself.
You CANNOT just double click on new ati drivers and install them. You MUST remove, reboot, delete all ati registry entries, all ati junk, reboot, make sure everything is gone, then install. A great program for registry removal is jvpowertools at www.macecraft.com. The ATI uninstall program doesn't work that great. Another program I use in tandom is drivercleaner from driverheaven.
I cannot stress how important it is to do a proper install of ATI drivers. Out of the hundreds of support cases I do for the ATI cards, I have never had someone not have great performance after doing a proper driver install. One day you will be able to double click the new driver and have a great install, but that day is not now. Nearly every single one of the people that I have run into with ati driver problems with the cat series has just double clicked to install. This is only viable after a clean OS as winXP does not install ATI radeon drivers by default.
And as far as performance between Geforce vs. ATI. Go take a gander at the graphics card reviews at www.hardocp.com. Without AA or AF the geforces & radeons are pretty much close to the same performance. With AA & AF lvls at above 1024x768, the Radeons literally blow the geforce cards away and doing it with better IQ. Geforces can't even hang at 1280x1204 and above with 4xaa & 4x or more af. I used to be a nvidia fanboi, but they are going down the tubes in performance these days by a large margin. And the driver stability arguement can't be used as the ATI cat's are by far the best driver suite for graphics cards ever.
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Zervun
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Posted - 2004.03.04 21:08:00 -
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Edited by: Zervun on 04/03/2004 21:12:10
My ATI 9700 Sapphire Pro (overclocked 385/375) runs 2 instances of eve flawlessly without any lag, 1280x1024 both screens 2xaa 8xaf. Can put aa to 4 & af to 16af triple on one screen at 1600x1200.
Remember 99% of ATI problems in games are operator error not the card or drivers itself.
You CANNOT just double click on new ati drivers and install them. You MUST remove, reboot, delete all ati registry entries, all ati junk, reboot, make sure everything is gone, then install. A great program for registry removal is jvpowertools at www.macecraft.com. The ATI uninstall program doesn't work that great. Another program I use in tandom is drivercleaner from driverheaven.
I cannot stress how important it is to do a proper install of ATI drivers. Out of the hundreds of support cases I do for the ATI cards, I have never had someone not have great performance after doing a proper driver install. One day you will be able to double click the new driver and have a great install, but that day is not now. Nearly every single one of the people that I have run into with ati driver problems with the cat series has just double clicked to install. This is only viable after a clean OS as winXP does not install ATI radeon drivers by default.
And as far as performance between Geforce vs. ATI. Go take a gander at the graphics card reviews at www.hardocp.com. Without AA or AF the geforces & radeons are pretty much close to the same performance. With AA & AF lvls at above 1024x768, the Radeons literally blow the geforce cards away and doing it with better IQ. Geforces can't even hang at 1280x1204 and above with 4xaa & 4x or more af. I used to be a nvidia fanboi, but they are going down the tubes in performance these days by a large margin. And the driver stability arguement can't be used as the ATI cat's are by far the best driver suite for graphics cards ever.
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Fanible
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Posted - 2004.03.05 00:55:00 -
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I use a GeForce4-128mb on one computer, and a Radeon9800-128mb on another. They both run EVE at top graphic levels with no problems.
It that a Geforce 4 MX?
No, actually, it's a GeForce 4 Ti 4400. Even if it was an MX, what's with the rolly eyes? Was I needing to prove something other than naming the cards I use?
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The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
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Fanible
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Posted - 2004.03.05 00:55:00 -
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I use a GeForce4-128mb on one computer, and a Radeon9800-128mb on another. They both run EVE at top graphic levels with no problems.
It that a Geforce 4 MX?
No, actually, it's a GeForce 4 Ti 4400. Even if it was an MX, what's with the rolly eyes? Was I needing to prove something other than naming the cards I use?
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The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
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Candy
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Posted - 2004.03.05 03:31:00 -
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Candy
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Posted - 2004.03.05 03:31:00 -
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TheGreatOz
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Posted - 2004.03.05 07:41:00 -
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Edited by: TheGreatOz on 05/03/2004 07:45:50
Edited by: TheGreatOz on 05/03/2004 07:44:46
I bought a Radeon 9600XT, and I love it. It comes with a coupon for a free copy of Half life 2 (if it's ever released), it out performs the now-defunct 9700 series and it can keep up with the 9800 series on most games for about half the price. EVE runs BEAUTIFULLY on it. Make sure you get the XT though, any other model and you will be very disappointed.
An excellent place to go for comparing different hardware specifications is www.tomshardware.com. It's a very reputable site and is full of product reviews on everything from CPUs to cases and power supplies.
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TheGreatOz
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Posted - 2004.03.05 07:41:00 -
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Edited by: TheGreatOz on 05/03/2004 07:45:50
Edited by: TheGreatOz on 05/03/2004 07:44:46
I bought a Radeon 9600XT, and I love it. It comes with a coupon for a free copy of Half life 2 (if it's ever released), it out performs the now-defunct 9700 series and it can keep up with the 9800 series on most games for about half the price. EVE runs BEAUTIFULLY on it. Make sure you get the XT though, any other model and you will be very disappointed.
An excellent place to go for comparing different hardware specifications is www.tomshardware.com. It's a very reputable site and is full of product reviews on everything from CPUs to cases and power supplies.
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.03.05 12:04:00 -
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I use a GeForce4-128mb on one computer, and a Radeon9800-128mb on another. They both run EVE at top graphic levels with no problems.
It that a Geforce 4 MX?
No, actually, it's a GeForce 4 Ti 4400. Even if it was an MX, what's with the rolly eyes? Was I needing to prove something other than naming the cards I use?
Was just a question. How does the Geforce 4 Handle 4xFSAA and 8xAF in Eve then? Used to have a Ti4600 myself, been a while tho. 
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Shocky
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Posted - 2004.03.05 12:04:00 -
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I use a GeForce4-128mb on one computer, and a Radeon9800-128mb on another. They both run EVE at top graphic levels with no problems.
It that a Geforce 4 MX?
No, actually, it's a GeForce 4 Ti 4400. Even if it was an MX, what's with the rolly eyes? Was I needing to prove something other than naming the cards I use?
Was just a question. How does the Geforce 4 Handle 4xFSAA and 8xAF in Eve then? Used to have a Ti4600 myself, been a while tho.
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Fanible
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Posted - 2004.03.06 14:16:00 -
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Like I said, it runs EVE at top graphic levels. So it handles everything really well.
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The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
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Fanible
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Posted - 2004.03.06 14:16:00 -
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Like I said, it runs EVE at top graphic levels. So it handles everything really well.
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The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
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Jemba'k Ko'cha
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Posted - 2004.03.06 14:34:00 -
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Like I said, it runs EVE at top graphic levels. So it handles everything really well.
running it isnt a problem....what are the frame rates like though?
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Jemba'k Ko'cha
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Posted - 2004.03.06 14:34:00 -
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Like I said, it runs EVE at top graphic levels. So it handles everything really well.
running it isnt a problem....what are the frame rates like though?
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Fanible
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Posted - 2004.03.06 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Fanible on 06/03/2004 15:29:41
Perfect. When I say it runs it at top graphic levels, I mean it handles, and framerates everything great.
If it lagged or was going slow, it wouldn't be really running it at top graphic levels well, I'd probably lower the graphic settings to run better, and I wouldn't of said it to begin with.
I said it runs at top graphic levels with no problems.
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The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
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Fanible
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Posted - 2004.03.06 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Fanible on 06/03/2004 15:29:41
Perfect. When I say it runs it at top graphic levels, I mean it handles, and framerates everything great.
If it lagged or was going slow, it wouldn't be really running it at top graphic levels well, I'd probably lower the graphic settings to run better, and I wouldn't of said it to begin with.
I said it runs at top graphic levels with no problems.
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The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
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