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Jhagiti Tyran
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Posted - 2007.08.24 00:08:00 -
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Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran on 24/08/2007 00:09:29
Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran on 24/08/2007 00:08:52
After failing miserably to do level 4 missions in a decent amount of time with a Active tank i did some experimentation, My problem was I just couldn't get a sustainable tank I ended up being dependant on cap booster charges once these ran out I had to warp out to.
After playing with some modules I think this could work:-
High slots
6 x Siege launchers
2 x Med gauss prototypes
Medium slots
3 x Large T2 Extenders
1 x T2 cap recharger
2 x Multispectal shield matrix
Low slots
1 x BCS T2
2 x Mark I Generator refitting PDS
2 x Beta Reactor control SPR
This setup gives 18504 shield capacity with a 777 second recharge time and a peak recharge of 57 hp per second, My minimum resist is 60% on EM.
I know this is nothing special as passive tanks go but I then used EVE fitting tool and added 3 x core defence Field Purger rigs and it gave 18504 capacity with 398 second recharge and a peak recharge of 111 hp per second.
If you compare that to a XL shield booster with no boost amplifier they are roughly comparable except this uses no cap at all and can be perma run.
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Avery Fatwallet
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Posted - 2007.08.24 00:13:00 -
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you dont need the cap recharger there i think. slap some more tank crap or a painter on it instead.
if you really need cap (for what, actually? the hardeners? come on, how long does it take to drain the cap  ) balance with PDS and SPR, but that recharger is a wasted slot.
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Jhagiti Tyran
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Posted - 2007.08.24 00:16:00 -
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Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran on 24/08/2007 00:21:36
haha yes its supposed to be shield recharger T2 I dont know why I put that  The cap is stable with a small regen with the Hardeners and Medium rails.
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Cyan Nuevo
Dudes In Crazy Killing Ships
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Posted - 2007.08.24 04:25:00 -
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Half the tank isn't "roughly comparable".
Passive shield tanks really suck on battleships, I'd really like to see LSEs get upped in both PG and HP to help them out a bit.
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Proud Amarr pilot.
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Mad Axe
Caldari
The Knights Of Camelot
Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.08.24 05:23:00 -
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Try this setup:
High slots:
6x Siege or Cruise
Medium Slots:
1x Shield Boost amp
2x primary rat specific hardener t1/2
1x secondary rat specific hardener t1/2
1x XL Shield Booster t2
1x cap recharger or another shield boost amp
low slots:
2xBCS t2
2x PDS
1x Damage Control
Rigs:
3x CCC
No it cant permarun but i can do any lvl 4 wihtout warping out, except part 1 gurista recon or AE bonus stage.
Dont use passive tank on a raven and dont use shield extenders on caldari battleships. Get the best resists you can, the most hp/s boosted and the best cap recharge rate you can.
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Milk
Caldari
Deviance Cartel
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Posted - 2007.08.24 07:42:00 -
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Passive set up just doesn't cut it in a BS.
Here is my mission set up.. not had any problems with this at all.
Highs
6 x Cruise missle launcher.. named if you can afford
1 x Tractor Beam
1 x Nos
Mids
1 x Large Shield (Tech 2 if possible)
1 x Shield amp
1 x Passive Shield hardener (npc Specific)
3 x Active Shield Hardener (npc Specific)
Lows
2 x PDU
3 x BCU
Never had to warp out of anything.. although skills are pretty high..
Tips.. use Nos and keep a ship near you to do so (Note that the changes to NOS soon may effect this).
Tractor beam is a must for looting.
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You know whats good for you.
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Sargeraes
Caldari
THC LTD
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Posted - 2007.08.24 08:41:00 -
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Edited by: Sargeraes on 24/08/2007 08:42:19
I had problems starting out in a Raven as well - make sure you don't bite off more than you can chew, but here's the setup I've come to love - and trust me this setup tanks 7-10 battleships as well as their little fleets with some careful cap management.
HI
6x Arbalest Siege
MED
1x Faction or T2 X-Large Shield Booster
1x Faction or T2 Shield Boost Amp
3x Mission-Specific Active Hardeners (Tech II or Faction)
1x Heavy Cap Booster II (800's loaded)
LO
2x Faction or Ballistic Control Unit II
3x Power Diagnostic System II
or
1x Faction or Ballistic Control Unit II
1x Damage Control Unit II
3x Power Diagnostic System II
RIGS:
3x Capacitor Control Circuit (This is a big part of it - really really nice for shield tankers.)
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You just need to learn the flow of your capacitor, when to boost with cap 800's, and how much damage you really can take.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.24 08:56:00 -
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Raven doesn't have the base HP to be of any use with passive regen. Navy raven and rattlesnake is much better already, but still..the thought of it makes me creep.
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phantom crash
Caldari
Paisti
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Posted - 2007.08.24 08:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Sokratesz
Raven doesn't have the base HP to be of any use with passive regen. Navy raven and rattlesnake is much better already, but still..the thought of it makes me creep.
Rattlesnake actually makes one of the best passive tanks ingame :)
It can do any LVL 4's just fine with passive tank so if you insist on passive tanking a BS, get a Rattlesnake, Raven cannot do it.
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Jhagiti Tyran
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Posted - 2007.08.24 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cyan Nuevo
Half the tank isn't "roughly comparable".
Although the resists are lower the maths confirm that the passive regen is superior to most Shield boosters and not to far from the T2 XL booster,
This setup:- 111 Regen per second
XL T2 Booster:- 120 Regen per second
Large T2 Booster with T2 Boost amplifier:- 82 Regen per second
I know a Passive tanked Raven is not the best but Its the best I can come up with for myself until I can train better skills.
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Dreadpilot Roberts
New Balkan Mafia
Circle 0f Two
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Posted - 2007.08.24 09:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mad Axe
Try this setup:
High slots:
6x Siege or Cruise
Medium Slots:
1x Shield Boost amp
2x primary rat specific hardener t1/2
1x secondary rat specific hardener t1/2
1x XL Shield Booster t2
1x cap recharger or another shield boost amp
low slots:
2xBCS t2
2x PDS
1x Damage Control
Rigs:
3x CCC
No it cant permarun but i can do any lvl 4 wihtout warping out, except part 1 gurista recon or AE bonus stage.
Dont use passive tank on a raven and dont use shield extenders on caldari battleships. Get the best resists you can, the most hp/s boosted and the best cap recharge rate you can.
I beg to differ ... Rokh is meant for passive tank
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2007.08.24 09:47:00 -
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Edited by: Pinky Denmark on 24/08/2007 09:47:27
Rokh "MEANT" for passive tanking? surely depends on your lowslots because Rokh was "MEANT" for cap-using Hybrid guns...
How is your fit and what is it's role?
Edit: wrong word
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.24 09:49:00 -
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Edited by: Sokratesz on 24/08/2007 09:51:58
Someone should try a Rokh without injector but with 5x cap power relay in lows + 3x ccc. Lots and lots of cap to waste with mids free for 2x invu, xlarge booster, boost amp, AB, scram.
*edit* did the calcs. With TS cap relays and 3x ccc rig the rokh will have 7500n cap recharging in 136 seconds for just under 140/s. Now thats some love :D
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Sun Crusher
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Posted - 2007.08.24 10:01:00 -
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my perma XL shield booster Raven:
200mm Light Prototype I Automatic Cannon [70xPhased Plasma S]
200mm Light Prototype I Automatic Cannon [70xPhased Plasma S]
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher
'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher
X-Large Shield Booster II
Invulnerability Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Ballistic Control System II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Rigs : Capacitor Control Circuit I \ Capacitor Control Circuit I \ Bay Loading Accelerator I \
9000 shield, 12.0/s, E/T/K/Ex=30/73/80/71
7969 armor, E/T/K/Ex=59/44/25/10
3327.790217117981 cap, +84.78/s, -80.8/s
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port22
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.08.24 10:02:00 -
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From having a go at some setups a few weeks ago, the only passive shield tank battleship better than the drake/vulture/nighthawk combo's was the rattlesnake. From memory with a standard t2 fitting it achieves 70's accross the board with 250 shields/sec.
Personally the nighthawk/vulture passive shield tank is still king imho.
200 shields sec with 70% minimum resist.
Originally by: Temp Boi
Port FTMFW Period.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.24 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: port22
From having a go at some setups a few weeks ago, the only passive shield tank battleship better than the drake/vulture/nighthawk combo's was the rattlesnake. From memory with a standard t2 fitting it achieves 70's accross the board with 250 shields/sec.
Personally the nighthawk/vulture passive shield tank is still king imho.
200 shields sec with 70% minimum resist.
The advantage of the latter is that they take alot less damage from battleship and cap ship weapons due to their smaller sig and greater mobility. And you get more options of fitting them compared to the rattle.
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port22
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.08.24 10:24:00 -
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Thank your for proving my point :)
And not to mention they are cheaper :)
Originally by: Temp Boi
Port FTMFW Period.
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Inuyasha507
Caldari
HellBrothers Industries
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.25 00:57:00 -
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ok you all fail at raven tanks, so here is my setup that tanks very well and gets the job done with L4's
HI:
6 arby cruise
2 heavy diminishing nos
Med:
Domination XL shield booster
Domination boost amp
2 invuln II's
T2 passive EM
T2 passive thermal
Low:
5 Power Diagnostic System II's
this setup tanks 504-639dps, and the cap lasts for 4min 40 seconds, so all of you putting CPR's or BCU's FAIL!
(the 2 faction mods only cost 94 mil total, 89mil for booster and 5mil for amp, so no one say its too expensive of a setup)
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2007.08.25 08:59:00 -
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öh "MEANT" for passive tanking? surely depends on your lowslots because Rokh was "MEANT" for cap-using Hybrid guns...ö
Well I agree with you that Caldari ships are not meant for passive tanks it. But not for your reason.
Just why would a cap using Hybrid setup be a problem for passive tanks? Its never been a problem before.
Passive shield tanking guide click here |
Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.25 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
öh "MEANT" for passive tanking? surely depends on your lowslots because Rokh was "MEANT" for cap-using Hybrid guns...ö
Well I agree with you that Caldari ships are not meant for passive tanks it. But not for your reason.
Just why would a cap using Hybrid setup be a problem for passive tanks? Its never been a problem before.
because of the stupifendously slow cap recharge rate of a relay setup
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.25 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Inuyasha507
ok you all fail at raven tanks, so here is my setup that tanks very well and gets the job done with L4's
HI:
6 arby cruise
2 heavy diminishing nos
Med:
Domination XL shield booster
Domination boost amp
2 invuln II's
T2 passive EM
T2 passive thermal
Low:
5 Power Diagnostic System II's
this setup tanks 504-639dps, and the cap lasts for 4min 40 seconds, so all of you putting CPR's or BCU's FAIL!
(the 2 faction mods only cost 94 mil total, 89mil for booster and 5mil for amp, so no one say its too expensive of a setup)
Hmz.
1) no DPS
2) no DPS
3) no DPS
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Kosa Mosapiel
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Posted - 2007.08.25 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jhagiti Tyran
Edited by: Jhagiti Tyran on 24/08/2007 00:29:28
After failing miserably to do level 4 missions in a decent amount of time with a Active tank...
For missions, gank > tank, so kill em faster and there's less stress on your tank. The fastest way to do missions is with a second raven. 2 ravens do missions much more than twice as fast as solo.
If you don't have the skills to use torps well, use cruise. Rats will die quicker.
If you do have the skills to use torps well, use 1 or 2 painters, otherwise cruise is usually quicker. Don't want to derail, there are a number of threads on this debate.
Try to fit 3 bcu's. If not, try to fit 2 and 3 pdu's with a couple of nos.
The raven's shield recharge is terrible. One of it's strengths is it's cap recharge. Try to enhance the ravens strengths instead of it's weakness.
Ideally, you will want to use the minimum amount of tank and as much gank as your skills will allow. As your skills change, so should your fitting.
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