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Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.08.30 02:32:00 - [331] Edited by: Johnny ReeRee on 30/08/2007 02:32:11 Originally by: Turin Essentially, it weas IAC vrs FIX, and that seemed to be a pitched and fair fight. then IAC called in more to win. Even fight, even though IAC all by itself out-numbers FIX more than 2-1...
Kyoi Shuttles Dont Tank Well	Posted - 2007.08.30 03:17:00 - [332] Edited by: Kyoi on 30/08/2007 03:19:50 I hate to break up OMG FIXMC BLOB but for about 2-3weeks in the beginning from the names I saw in local it was... FIX v IAC AAA The Reckoning Brotherhood of Steel Prime Orbital systems IAC alone is over double the size of FIX. As for the "OMG BUT ITS ACTIVE PVP'RS THAT COUNT TOTAL DOESNT MATTER". Then you mean that IAC alliance is a bunch of self-centered carebears, who's problem is that ? According to IAC forum warriors it is MCFix's problem.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.30 04:34:00 - [333] Originally by: Johnny ReeRee Edited by: Johnny ReeRee on 30/08/2007 02:32:11 Originally by: Turin Essentially, it weas IAC vrs FIX, and that seemed to be a pitched and fair fight. then IAC called in more to win. Even fight, even though IAC all by itself out-numbers FIX more than 2-1... We weren't all in 49-u, and we didn't call in any other alliances to come to Querious. The Reckoning wanted to help fight FIX to get some practice with their capitals or something and we said sure why not. Didn't ask AAA to join the party either, they started their own seperate campaign near ED-, they'd been planning it before IAC started messing around in 49-u and H74. BOS and POS were tiny alliances that joined IAC gangs for fun, we saw an opportunity for BOS to take over a station in 49-U and tried for it, didn't work out. Until recently we weren't particularly serious about the invasion, hence why a lot of IAC weren't involved, personally I wouldn't say FIX alone was a match for even half of IAC, not in their current sad state. PS; lol at IAC having nothing to do with MC failing two contracts against us =] clueless alt trolls ftw http://eve.klaki.net/
Mahrin Skel Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.08.30 05:36:00 - [334] So, 2 months, 100B isk (not even counting the rare e-peens), dozens of mandatory fleet ops, and 1 complete and total defeat later, and your story is "Well, we didn't really want that outpost anyway"? --Dave
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.30 06:14:00 - [335] We're completely defeated ? Might want to wait to count your chickens until you've successfully repulsed the attack on ED-. Oh dear, AAA sov in your home station system ? Too bad about the sov 3 you're losing friday downtime, let's see how you like both sides having capitals in a fight for a station system =] http://eve.klaki.net/
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.30 06:55:00 - [336] Originally by: Mahrin Skel So, 2 months, 100B isk (not even counting the rare e-peens), dozens of mandatory fleet ops, and 1 complete and total defeat later, and your story is "Well, we didn't really want that outpost anyway"? --Dave Ahahaha, 100 billion isk? While we're picking numbers off the top of our heads why don't we value each of your mothership loses at 200 billion isk? Man, you guys have lost 600 billion in motherships alone, this war seems to be going pretty rough for you.
Rorin Cutter Caldari KNIGHTS OF RYCHE Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.08.30 06:58:00 - [337] Originally by: Mahrin Skel So, 2 months, 100B isk (not even counting the rare e-peens), dozens of mandatory fleet ops, and 1 complete and total defeat later, and your story is "Well, we didn't really want that outpost anyway"? --Dave Wait, we lost? lol, Ah that was spin. Veni, Vidi, arreViderci...I came, I saw, I said good-bye.
Attak Trioptimum FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.30 06:59:00 - [338] I used to live in Querious/Catch. Not a single officer spawn. Not one.
twit brent Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.08.30 07:03:00 - [339] Originally by: Attak I used to live in Querious/Catch. Not a single officer spawn. Not one. Tell my about it, found only 1 officer in querious in 3 years of ratting and only made 250 mill from it.
Mahrin Skel Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.08.30 07:28:00 - [340] Edited by: Mahrin Skel on 30/08/2007 07:31:51 Originally by: Orangir Ahahaha, 100 billion isk? While we're picking numbers off the top of our heads why don't we value each of your mothership loses at 200 billion isk? Man, you guys have lost 600 billion in motherships alone, this war seems to be going pretty rough for you. Ask Tyrrax how much it costs for a completely faction-fitted faction tower, they lost 4 of those, plus a few hundred fleet BS over the course of the fight and numerous capitals. Yeah, it's close to 100B on our side, too, it's been an expensive war. ED- was a diversionary attack that "succeded" because it failed to divert. Tyrrax is just making propaganda lemonade. No, it's not over, Saturday's shaping up to be a fun morning. But we've been reconciled to the notion of ED- changing hands for a week, so the cheap shots there aren't exactly hitting home. What you'll notice he isn't denying is that they've lost in 49-U, 17 towers to nothing in a week (all destroyed, not withdrawn). Hard to make that look like a victory, unless he's saying 49-U was a 2-month diversion and the "much more valuable" ED- was their real target all along. --Dave
tigress Gallente Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.30 08:34:00 - [341] Edited by: tigress on 30/08/2007 08:36:34 Lost this much isk, lost this much yada-yada.. You know what counts? The loss of the ENTITY. If you loose a mothership it is one less mothership to defend your other assets. It is not about the isk ever. It is about what the item could do to help you. Sure faction posses are nice, but they are quite stationary imo. A mothership or even a dread is more worth to me really. Edit: Also, the loss of our presence in 49- is much worse than the iskloss on the towers. btw, stirring the pot like we did and dragged the freaking north down, pretty sums up why we attacked in the first place, don't you think? ;)
Karim alRashid Gallente principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.30 08:39:00 - [342] Originally by: Mahrin Skel What you'll notice he isn't denying is that they've lost in 49-U, 17 towers to nothing in a week (all destroyed, not withdrawn). I wonder what is the more appropriated term - "lost" or "pushed back". I'd rather say "pushed back", since we didn't own 49- in the first place. All else is simply consumatives shrug We just didn't push hard enough.
Rail Duke GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.30 08:53:00 - [343] tyraxx loses expensive **** more at 11
Cadela Fria Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.30 08:54:00 - [344] Edited by: Cadela Fria on 30/08/2007 08:59:57 Originally by: tigress Edited by: tigress on 30/08/2007 08:36:34 Lost this much isk, lost this much yada-yada.. You know what counts? The loss of the ENTITY. If you loose a mothership it is one less mothership to defend your other assets. It is not about the isk ever. It is about what the item could do to help you. Sure faction posses are nice, but they are quite stationary imo. A mothership or even a dread is more worth to me really. Edit: Also, the loss of our presence in 49- is much worse than the iskloss on the towers. btw, stirring the pot like we did and dragged the freaking north down, pretty sums up why we attacked in the first place, don't you think? ;) Meh, it's all relative. No matter how you go about it, there is always going to be differing points of view on what matters the most in comparison to what. A dread, a carrier, a mothership or whatever, can surely enough protect your assets. However they can't give you sovereignty - You need a POS for that. So, in lue of that, if you pure hypothetically destroy all capital ships; the sovereignty remains in the hands of the enemy, and thus essentially apart from a really big blow to the opposing sides' wallet(), and a really spiffy killboard (), maybe even a moral breakdown () - You've accomplished absolutely nothing (). Mind you, having said that..that can still lead to victory, but thats beyond the scope of this hypothesis. On the other hand, if you have made the enemy withdraw their POS'es (), or destroy them all (), not only do you take away the enemy's in-system staging point (), but you also cripple logistics () and they lose their sovereignty () - The end result being you have conquered the system (). I'm not sure I myself see this as being enough coverage for what it all entails and means - What I am sure of though, is this: While we agree that the destruction of a larger entity, such as a mothership, can be highly symbolic and create a good moral boost - What ultimate matters, is the end result, whatever that may be! However like I said - It's all relative, I might be entirely wrong. Edited for typos Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
GoGo Yubari PAK	Posted - 2007.08.30 09:39:00 - [345] Maybe everybody is too fond of listening to their own voices here, but... How about everybody shuts up for two months and we pick this discussion up then, eh? I think it'll be a lot more interesting. Love by nature. Live by luck. Kill by profession.
Suithar Insidious Existence Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.30 11:05:00 - [346] I'd be happier if it was just IAAAC vs McFix tbh but if it needs to be uberblob vs uberblob, so be it.
Pirokobo Caldari Orion Academy	Posted - 2007.08.30 11:55:00 - [347] Originally by: Mahrin Skel No, it's not over, Saturday's shaping up to be a fun morning. But we've been reconciled to the notion of ED- changing hands for a week, so the cheap shots there aren't exactly hitting home. What you'll notice he isn't denying is that they've lost in 49-U, 17 towers to nothing in a week (all destroyed, not withdrawn). Hard to make that look like a victory, unless he's saying 49-U was a 2-month diversion and the "much more valuable" ED- was their real target all along. --Dave IAC is just remembering the lesson Napoleon and the Germans taught the world: Don't go into fall in someone else's **ing territory. Because fall turns into winter; and then you're *ed. -------------------------------------------------- "Never fight an enemy who shoots back."* -Preface, BoB's Big Book of War
tigress Gallente Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.30 14:30:00 - [348] Caldela: then we agree, see my last addition? The loss of the presence (of us) in 49- is worse than the iskloss of the towers/and or the kills of motherships. Of course the post is subjective, every opinion is :). I just tend to ignore ISK more than real useable assets. Others might not. And end results always speaks louder than anything. Let's see what they are further down the road.
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.08.30 15:57:00 - [349] As someone who fought for Fix when they were still independant, I think the reason for the blobbage is that Fix is the only Bob pet that actually fights well. So its the obvious choice for Bob to try to keep alive. Take as evidence the fact that the Norther Bob pets were pulled off of defending their own MC-given space to help Fix. That's because Fix space is more valuable to Bob than some loser pets who got space cuz MC didn't want to stay around. Fix - I've said this before: You're too good an alliance to be a Bob pet. Throw off the shackles of Bobbitness and stop being your master's meatshield. If you stopped fighting, there is no other Bob pet that would be able to take the burden you bear. Bob would fall quickly, and you would be free.
Silvestri Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.30 16:02:00 - [350] I wonder how long MC is on "contract" for....or is it more that it's a beneficial strategical goal to help Fix.... It is so good to be back in IAC....
Zap powie Minmatar The Accursed	Posted - 2007.08.30 16:19:00 - [351] Originally by: Princess Jodi As someone who fought for Fix when they were still independant, I think the reason for the blobbage is that Fix is the only Bob pet that actually fights well. So its the obvious choice for Bob to try to keep alive. Take as evidence the fact that the Norther Bob pets were pulled off of defending their own MC-given space to help Fix. That's because Fix space is more valuable to Bob than some loser pets who got space cuz MC didn't want to stay around. Fix - I've said this before: You're too good an alliance to be a Bob pet. Throw off the shackles of Bobbitness and stop being your master's meatshield. If you stopped fighting, there is no other Bob pet that would be able to take the burden you bear. Bob would fall quickly, and you would be free. dude....give me the waypoints to your fantasy world
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.08.30 16:33:00 - [352] Gladly, Zap! Please tell me which Bobbit underpass you accidentally took while on the trip. Then I can tell you which path to take to return to the sunlight.
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.08.30 16:48:00 - [353] Edited by: Johnny ReeRee on 30/08/2007 16:49:34 Originally by: Suithar I'd be happier if it was just IAAAC vs McFix tbh but if it needs to be uberblob vs uberblob, so be it. So you had 2-1 odds on FIX to begin with by yourselves, and THEN added AAA, BOS and others, and you're complaining about blobs?
Map Screen Flat Earth Society Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2007.08.30 16:59:00 - [354] Originally by: Johnny ReeRee Edited by: Johnny ReeRee on 30/08/2007 16:49:34 Originally by: Suithar I'd be happier if it was just IAAAC vs McFix tbh but if it needs to be uberblob vs uberblob, so be it. So you had 2-1 odds on FIX to begin with by yourselves, and THEN added AAA, BOS and others, and you're complaining about blobs? Since you're a stickler for numbers that don't really mean anything MC & co and IAC & co should leave and let AAA and FIX fight since they have comprable alliance numbers, which 9/10 CAOD forum posters will tell you is all that matters in a conflict
Royaldo Gallente KVA Noble Inc. Institute of Cooperative Education	Posted - 2007.08.30 17:18:00 - [355] mc is on contract right?
Seph Res PPN United Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.08.30 17:35:00 - [356] i have nothin more than respect for the good fights goin on here, fun for both involved, that is it what it should be, both sides know lags are sometimes insane, but most of time we get some nice shooting against each other...one of funniest time i had in eve for some months now
Ferocious FeAr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.30 17:46:00 - [357] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk We're completely defeated ? Might want to wait to count your chickens until you've successfully repulsed the attack on ED-. Oh dear, AAA sov in your home station system ? Too bad about the sov 3 you're losing friday downtime, let's see how you like both sides having capitals in a fight for a station system =] J8. Don't hate me, learn to love me
Redbad Minmatar Tempered Steel Legion	Posted - 2007.08.30 18:00:00 - [358] War is a funny thing in EVE as its all about economics: You can loose every battle, but still win the war, if it wasn't worth the effort of your enemy. You can quote me on that, RB join us today!
Astasia Orian Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.30 18:10:00 - [359] Hay guyz I think MC r not reel merx what do u thnk??
Jammy Dodga Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.08.30 18:10:00 - [360] Why are the IAC crew crowing over ED? ED is entirely a AAA accomplishment; and at no point did IAC even have a presence in the system when FIX POS were taken down. You would think IAC would be quiet for a few days and contemplate their utter defeat in 49-u, and perhaps reasess their objectives. Let me give a hint, your objective has never been ED, you have done nothing to help take down the POS there, and any accomplishment achieved in ED is AAA's alone. POS spam does not win wars, being able to defend said POS define the winners in the end and this is why AAA has done what IAC could not in 49-u. I will give huge props to -A- for smart play, and not laying down any smack in local or in the forums. It is messed up that the meat shields are always the ones to start trouble in and out of game, while the true power remain quiet and devoted to doing their job. I look forward to the inevitable blob this Saturday, I myself don't expect any conclusions to come from it, just another battle in the long way.

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