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Dzajic
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Posted - 2012.01.16 16:52:00 -
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Just reading the OP and supportive comments (and in C&P threads) makes me physically sick. The feeling that EVE has more than its fair shared of sociopaths that had me unsub so many times before. And "wtf did I resub, its as bad as has always been".
There is no exploit of any kind involved with highsec incursions. Nothing. CCP made them to stay for a week and despawn if no one kills mom before that. Of course please keep them alive as long as possible and do sites that farm best isk. Its only reasonable option.
Very nice to see a CSM openly **** in the face of player-base and proudly brag about his griefing schemes. |
Dzajic
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Posted - 2012.01.16 17:24:00 -
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kyrieee wrote:Dzajic wrote:Just reading the OP and supportive comments (and in C&P threads) makes me physically sick. The feeling that EVE has more than its fair shared of sociopaths that had me unsub so many times before. And "wtf did I resub, its as bad as has always been". You're only a victim if you choose to be one. This is a game where people can do what they want, you should empower yourself instead of QQing about people doing things you don't approve of. Or find another game.
What the frak are you talking about? "Empowering yourself"? Your post is nothing put pretensions hot air. So many fancy words and phrases; all completely irrelevant.
I can't stop a 00 alliance from closing incursions. I can't prevent naive victims from joining their grief/suicide fleets.
I'm only a victim in sense that above activity is destroying my ISK income. And without fast and easy isk game becomes a chore where you farm forever to afford anything or don't fly 90% of stuff you have skills for.
I can be sad about wasting my money on game so full of sociopaths I can be puzzled by CCP approving all of this, all the time. CSM is a silly sad joke. They exist to be buddy buddy with CCP so CCP can feel good about itself and claim it has good and close relations with its playerbase (aka CSM aka dozen people representing/ruling 5-10% playerbase)
But most of all I am shocked by CSM member openly pissing in face of player-base saying "I'm gonna inconvenient and grief you as much as its possible". It would be almost morally acceptable if statement was "incursions give too much money to highsec, we will stop it all". No its "we will close all but one force you all into one constellation and fill it without suicide/grief fleets". Shiniest fleets will compete each other and still make isk. Rest will at best not get any money; at worst join one of Krissana's fleets and lose their ship. |
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Posted - 2012.01.16 17:47:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Good. Natural selection at work. Fewer competitions = more isk for the rest of us. "Public Incursion Blacklist" roaster is booming, now with corps and alliances instead of individuals. 
There were 950 in constellation in Kisune last night. There is world outside BTL Pub and DTF; people will come and crowd and contest and die to suicide fleets. Shiny fleets were running with 12 and only 2 logis just to get some payout considering how contested everything was and will be.
Btw. There is no apparent inflation in EVE. Only price rising is price of PLEX. Ships and mods are stable or slowly bouncing up and down depending on events in nullsec. Huge part of PLEX price fluctuations are market speculators. "PLEX for remaps", "PLEX for AUR", "PLEX for fanfest"... whenever there is a hit of something like that PLEX exploded. |
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Posted - 2012.01.16 18:19:00 -
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Krissada wrote:OH MY GOD - LOOK AT ALL THOSE TEARS What have I done? 
Your bait fleets were "busted" immediately, and remain to be epically obvious traps. But with apparent lack of incursions people are desperate to get into fleets and feed you. How many alts did you recycle advertising in BTL and DTF? Fifty? Sixty?
And you really didn't do anything new. Grief fleets were there the moment incursions started. Without Darius'es help to turn Incursions into scarce commodity you couldn't have done anything.
Thing is, you and Darius and so many others are just terrible persons. You can say you are doing it for trolling or for lulz... but so near beneath those words your sociopathy shines like a nova. Causing injury and grief to others for personal profit and even worse for amusement isn't fun or trolling, its sociopathic behavior. |
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Posted - 2012.01.16 19:01:00 -
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J Kunjeh wrote:I approve heartily! Though I had hoped to one day farm Incursions myself, I think they shouldn't be nearly as farmable as they are. I doubt this will change anything on CCP's side, but I think they're already looking at making some changes anyhow.
On another note, I wholeheartedly disapprove of your slippery grasp on the English language...how did you ever make CSM again?
CSM has complained to CCP that highsec Incursions make too much money; there is a devpost saying that it is in considerations, will be rebalanced and there will be a devblog about it. I'd bet 0.01isk that people will continue grifing even after a nerf; its not about money; its about tears and inconveniencing other people. If it was for preventing isk pump they'd close all highsec incursions all the time. |
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Posted - 2012.01.16 19:42:00 -
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Oh really? Your only care is EVE economy? And 2 to 3 thousand people total doing Incursions getting 100-140m/hr (LPs aren't isk faucet, LP stores are actually a isk sink) are a huge danger for EVEs economy?
Tens of thousands of rating and mining bots otoh are what... beneficial for the economy? Well I know for certain they are beneficial to IRL wallets of Alliance overlords who grant them space. There are anom and rating macros for Titans and Moms for the love of Jeebus!
Edit. No one is doing lowsec and null incursions. They just despawn at full red bars after 5 days or a week. This is true for so much cases that few exceptions are irrelevant. They could pay 10x as much as they pay now (which is already 45% more than highsec ones) and you'd still have a microscopic number of people doing them. |
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Posted - 2012.01.16 20:02:00 -
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When you are putting survivability of shiny fits into hands of strangers blacklisting is 100% necessary. Leaders of all Incursion running corps have such absurd amounts of ISK that in the end they will be the ones who can easiest just shrug and go "was nice till it lasted".
You just deny isk to newer players (or newcomers to incursions) and are forcing them to stay in highsec doing L4s. |
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Posted - 2012.01.16 20:23:00 -
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People without IRL socipathic tendencies would not indulge and enjoy in deeply sociopathic behavior in a virtual environment. |
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Posted - 2012.01.16 21:03:00 -
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Callous Jade wrote:Dzajic wrote:People without IRL socipathic tendencies would not indulge and enjoy in deeply sociopathic behavior in a virtual environment. You are so wrong its hilarious. Go cry all the way back to wow. Edit: Also this - "If what D3 et al are doing keeps mewling gold-farmer parasites like you out of our game, then I am even more for it."
This is 2nd or 3rd time in my 4 year EVE carrier to have over a billion in wallet. And it won't stay that high for long.
Gold farmer? No dear sir. Gold farmer as a term refers to all lovely rating botting ravens around nullsec filling alliance leaders pocets full with RMT money.
Parasite? On whom? What pray tell am I doing bad to EVE or anyone in it?
I farm isk to pay the bills and buy ships.
This is what I do for fun:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12083444 |
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Posted - 2012.01.16 21:36:00 -
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Btw. So I'm "all that is wrong with EVE" because I try and separate my isk income from my PVP?
Got bored on weekend due to no WTs around; we gathered 3x tier1 BC gang + blackbird and tried to smash a T3+HIC+iforgotwhat+2xFalcon lowsec entry gatecamp. As soon as 1 our BC and blackbird entered system all pies run for the station and docked up when our two guys showed they would be staying in system.
Risk aversion in someone's isk making much? Thank god I frequent FHC so I know just how (stupidly) much ISK you can earn by shooting fish in a barrel (HIC+T3 entry and pipe gatecamps); otherwise I might actually believe in some of "highsec care-bears are killing EVE" stories. |
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Posted - 2012.01.16 21:50:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:Sooooo, you killed a probably-overconfident-and-sloppy Dramiel pilot (a lot of Drami pilots are like that) in a post- Crucible destroyer. Big. *******. Whoop. Because kill-mail e-peenzor-waving is a sign of being a real 1337-PvP'er, amirite?
No. Not at all. If you check my KB stats you will see I'm terrible at PVP and diaf a lot without any gain. Reason I'm posting with my main and linking KB is to prove to you that I have ventured outside of highsec; and that I have engaged in real PVP.
But you can easily just stretch label carebear to anyone who is above -5 and/or has less than 10 (or 100, or 1000) solo kills. |
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Posted - 2012.01.16 23:14:00 -
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So its not ok to blacklist entire alliance if leader of that alliance is trying to inconvenience you as much as possible?
One again. Why am I a parasite? Of whom and how? |
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Posted - 2012.01.17 02:12:00 -
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Is pissing in rl sandboxes and breaking other kid's toys bad and socially unacceptable behavior? Yes ofc.
What difference is there then? If your only joy in a game is causing inconvenience suffering and loss to other players? If you weren't having IRL sociopathic tendencies such a thing would not be attractive or fun to you; it is simply not how a completely healthy person would think.
You are drawing satisfaction from causing (emotional and mental) injury to other human beings. Why does the medium in which this is done matter? |
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Posted - 2012.01.17 09:53:00 -
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Tarsas Phage wrote:Dzajic wrote:Is pissing in rl sandboxes and breaking other kid's toys bad and socially unacceptable behavior? Yes ofc.
What difference is there then? If your only joy in a game is causing inconvenience suffering and loss to other players? If you weren't having IRL sociopathic tendencies such a thing would not be attractive or fun to you; it is simply not how a completely healthy person would think.
You are drawing satisfaction from causing (emotional and mental) injury to other human beings. Why does the medium in which this is done matter? So people who like to be cast in roles as murders, rapists, or all-around bad guys in movies must like doing that stuff irl ?
Completely different thing. Problem is you are not really "playing a role of bandit". Problem is you screwing with game of other paying customers. Incursions interdiction is pure meta-gaming and that is farthest you can get from in context behaviour or role playing. You are going all out in effort to make game-play as inconvenient and miserable for other players as you can.
Besides in movies good guys win 99% of time while in EVE it has always been the opposite. Because it is you who take internet spaceships too seriously an you spend enormous amounts of time planning such a event where your only goal is to prevent other people playing the game or make their game time as miserable as possible. And when it comes to taking internet spaceships seriously.... how more serious can it get from nullsec leaders with their steady IRL income from RMT shops to whom they lend their space.
Once again. You are not doing this for in game profit or for your "in game role-play". You are doing it to inconvenient other players and feed your feeble little souls on other people's discomfort and trouble.
I'm so bored of this discussion over all these years. I actually hope you win and CCP foolishly listens to all your absurd little demands. Remove highsec incursions and L4s all together. Instant 70 or 80% drop in subs; CCP goes bankrupt, EA or Sony buys EVE and we get a game where forums are actually moderated and in game griefing is bannable offense. Yes it would be a extremely boring EVE; but also soo much less stressful and annoying one.
That's the whole point. Its just a bloody game; people play it to have fun. If your only fun is to constantly and consistently frack with game-play and fun of other people you are being a real jerk to real people, you are just doing it isnide of a virtual environment. |
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Posted - 2012.01.17 14:00:00 -
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If CCP wanted Incursions to be completed quickly why would have they given them a week long lifespan? |
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Posted - 2012.01.17 17:22:00 -
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CSM minutes are out. Check the latest DevBlog.
All please check parts about PLEX prices, inflation and Incursions. See that CSM and CCP agree that isk is not related to PLEX prices; that VGs may need a minor nerf or added challenge and that other Incursion sites need a boost. And that incursions as they are are good for game and should stay.
So mr Darius III; how come that you as CSM took a nearly completely different position on Incursions than one you have in game? Hypocrisy much? Trying to be buddy buddy with CCP while pissing on their playerbase while they don't look?
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Posted - 2012.01.17 20:13:00 -
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Stop trolling for a second and read the CSM minutes and see what CCP and CSM have agreed on about Incursions, PLEX and inflation.
http://www.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2011/CSM_CCP_Mettings_7-9_12_2011.pdf |
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Posted - 2012.01.17 20:41:00 -
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Just read the relevant prats from CSM minutes please. |
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Posted - 2012.01.17 21:40:00 -
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First I wanted to rage so I walked away... that I cooled down and loled, and that I loled again. |
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Posted - 2012.01.18 09:37:00 -
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Ok mr Darius? So what do you have to say about CSM and CCP agreeing on Incursions mostly being fine, good for the game, and being kept more or less the same with minor tweaks? |
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Posted - 2012.01.18 10:08:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:A longish post
Sorry mate. CCP and CSM had had these talks over a month ago. CCP and the voice of community (CSM) have agreed on those things and they will be implemented soon(tm)/ Changes according to what is agreed in minutes are likely already under testing. Yes it will be overall nerf to incursions income; especially if they hardcode so that you can't blitz any sites any longer. Though ti would end up being stupidly unbalanced with Legion fleets continuing to blitz NCOs and other 2 taking ages to finish.
Ofc for maximum lulz these changes would affect all kinds of Incurions and not just high-sec so it will murder isk/hr income for everyone doing them, no matter where. Well at least it may bring attention seekers off our backs.
Even if it ends not paying much more money than L4s, even for shiny fleets, it will of course remain 10000x more interesting than doing L4s
Edit. With or without blitzing shiny fleet will do sites faster as they will have more DPS on field and also better tank. |
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Posted - 2012.01.18 10:23:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Dzajic wrote:Ammzi wrote:A longish post Sorry mate. CCP and CSM had had these talks over a month ago. CCP and the voice of community (CSM) have agreed on those things and they will be implemented soon(tm)/ Changes according to what is agreed in minutes are likely already under testing. Yes it will be overall nerf to incursions income; especially if they hardcode so that you can't blitz any sites any longer. Though ti would end up being stupidly unbalanced with Legion fleets continuing to blitz NCOs and other 2 taking ages to finish. Ofc for maximum lulz these changes would affect all kinds of Incurions and not just high-sec so it will murder isk/hr income for everyone doing them, no matter where. Well at least it may bring attention seekers off our backs. Even if it ends not paying much more money than L4s, even for shiny fleets, it will of course remain 10000x more interesting than doing L4s Edit. With or without blitzing shiny fleet will do sites faster as they will have more DPS on field and also better tank. What evidence do you have of them "testing" this? I heard of nothing on Sisi.
Sorry. Really wasn't my intention to spread rumors. Its just that looking at how long CSM summit was; and that "must destroy incursions" topics have gotten some devposts saying its being looked at and we will get devblog soon(tm), I would expect changed to be on closed test server or close to deployment to it. |
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Posted - 2012.01.18 10:45:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Until it gets to Sisi or announced it really isn't meaningful testing.
I want to see what CCP announces. If they limit vanguard nerfing to just forcing them to be completed it would be ok. However it is obvious that folks like darius in my opinon want them nuked from orbit.
Darius maybe. But I think he and Kriss are doing it just mostly for lulz and tears; and don't really care a bit about "isk faucets" and "balance of economy". CCP and CSM agreed that they are mostly fine. Though that "mostly" can be stretched any way you want. Slight nerf to VG payout combineded with making them unblitzable would end up being a major isk/hr nerf.
And you'd need a really major buff to scouts, assaults and HQs to make them worth the time. |
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:56:00 -
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CCP CSM meeting
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3377
Notes from said meeting:
http://www.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2011/CSM_CCP_Mettings_7-9_12_2011.pdf
Inflation in EVE is minor; PLEX is unrelated to ISK flow; Incursions are good for the game.
Those ain't my words, those are words of CCP and CSM.
And in case you wonder why PLEX is high.
https://secure.eveonline.com/fanfest/default.aspx
Nothing new, same happened last year. Couple thousand people buying from 6-30 PLEX to go to Iceland as its easier for them to spend couple dozen billion game money than couple hundred real $. Gee I wonder if PLEX will go up. |
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Posted - 2012.01.22 11:43:00 -
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For n-th time. There is nothing broken or exploited about how Incursions used to be. You are making stuff up to justify your actions to rest of the community; you know you are doing it for tears and lulz, but for some mysterious reason you are striving to prove that you are doing a good thing and benefiting the game.
Once again I will point out to CSM minutes. Nor CCP, nor its game economist, nor CSM have pointed out that Incursions are broken and that any exploits are being used.
So I suppose you are just so much more cleaver than CCP and CSM and see what they do not. |
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Posted - 2012.01.22 14:14:00 -
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Yes VGs need tweaking. I will not deny that. Only one class of sites out of 4 being worth doing is broken content.
Though nothing is said to be as broken, and especially destroying the game, as you claim.
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Posted - 2012.01.23 18:43:00 -
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Oh come on, 3 minute ticks are for either for uber lucky uber pimped Legion fleets having infinite supply of NMCs or for BS fleets with infinite off grid boosters blitzing OTAs (and its always risky no matter how good your tank and logis are... leaving everything alive you are in a race between whoever Sansha primary and last Deltol).
You can't take 3 minute ticks as a baseline for income assumptions. |
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Posted - 2012.01.23 22:30:00 -
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Its irrelevant if its faucet or not, CCP and Dr.Whateverishisname see no problems with it respect to game economy. Game design people have accepted that VGs are too good and will be fixed. |
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