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0Lona 0ltor
Red Sky Morning
BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.01.16 08:51:00 -
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Hostile gate camp detected on low side of low and high sec gate. Our fleet jumps in scramming several T3's, strangely there are 2 positive standing players sitting in orcas on the gate.
T3's engage our fleet it is clear our fleet is going to win, T3's run to orca on gate get scooped, Orca's jump to High sec.
I'm not crying or mad and I'm impressed that the opposing fleet discovered how to do this and I don't think they should be banned, punished or warned at the least as it's taking the sandbox to the limits which I enjoy.
Now that this tactic has been documented can some one from CCP close it before it gets old fast! 2 ways to stop this are
1. Prevent Orca's scooping agro'd and GCC pilot's.
2. Transfer agro and GCC to ORCA making it shootable or concordable if it jumps to High.
Thank you for your time and thanks to the fleet that made me go ''WTF, Mkay, LOL''.
Sorry if this is allready and well known and I'm slow on the ball.
One counter via in game PVP would be to get a Smartbombing ship up in the face of Orca's |
Trinkets friend
Obstergo
NEM3SIS.
93
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Posted - 2012.01.16 09:10:00 -
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Dude, you always shoot the Orca in lowsec. CCP doesn't need to fix anything, you've just got to fix your orca targeting abilities.
or, you know, bump the orca off the gate and man up for your own GCC to kill it.
The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man.
Sun Tzu
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Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels
The Obsidian Front
29
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Posted - 2012.01.16 09:43:00 -
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I was just thinking the same, nothing prevent you from bumping the orca off gate, and its not like its realignment time nore speed is that high to get back on gate that fast.
Nisroc Angels
Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
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0Lona 0ltor
Red Sky Morning
BricK sQuAD.
16
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Posted - 2012.01.16 12:19:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Dude, you always shoot the Orca in lowsec. CCP doesn't need to fix anything, you've just got to fix your orca targeting abilities.
or, you know, bump the orca off the gate and man up for your own GCC to kill it.
And the orca can take a lesuire stroll over to his jump button because no way you can bump an orca off a gate within in 1 min of landing. |
0Lona 0ltor
Red Sky Morning
BricK sQuAD.
16
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Posted - 2012.01.16 12:20:00 -
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Ynot Eyob wrote:I was just thinking the same, nothing prevent you from bumping the orca off gate, and its not like its realignment time nore speed is that high to get back on gate that fast.
Orca never leaves gate undock why would it? |
Brother Galladrinal
Havoc Violence and Chaos
BricK sQuAD.
3
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Posted - 2012.01.16 12:51:00 -
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Was a clever tactic by Heretic Legion....didn't realise you could still scoop criminals in low sec.
Shame they didn't just fight us in their shineys though. |
Ynot Eyob
Nisroc Angels
The Obsidian Front
29
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Posted - 2012.01.16 13:12:00 -
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0Lona 0ltor wrote:Ynot Eyob wrote:I was just thinking the same, nothing prevent you from bumping the orca off gate, and its not like its realignment time nore speed is that high to get back on gate that fast. Orca never leaves gate undock why would it?
I serious cant see the problem in bumping an orca, but ill have to try be in the orca to see the posibilities not to be bumped. The Orcas our fleets have bumped we havnt had issues, but I guess it depends on the pilots skills then, personal.
Last Orca I was a part of got bumpped of gate by a stabber fleet issue and even thouh it was right in the middle of the gate he went 12 KM of gate and had to turn and slow boat back. It took 10 SBs 1 round for a fast trip to high sec.
Nisroc Angels
Nisroc - Angel of Freedom Nisroc is known as "The Great Eagle".
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March rabbit
Ganse
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
110
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Posted - 2012.01.16 15:25:00 -
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Ynot Eyob wrote:0Lona 0ltor wrote:Ynot Eyob wrote:I was just thinking the same, nothing prevent you from bumping the orca off gate, and its not like its realignment time nore speed is that high to get back on gate that fast. Orca never leaves gate undock why would it? I serious cant see the problem in bumping an orca
maybe there was 1 problem: shiny T3 fleet near? And bricks decided to make some pvp and not e-peen grinding?
(some people always prefer to shoot miners even if they have real targets on sight tho) 
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Brother Galladrinal
Havoc Violence and Chaos
BricK sQuAD.
3
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Posted - 2012.01.16 16:16:00 -
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Some people don't actually use Orcas for mining comrade...
And the Orcas were at 0 on a regional gate, not exactly much we could do when they could just jump out! (which they did when we tried to bump them ofc) |
Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
282
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Posted - 2012.01.17 00:31:00 -
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\o/
Heretic Army CEO
Host of Frigfry Fridays
http://judelloyd.blog.com/ -á |
Trinkets friend
Obstergo
NEM3SIS.
95
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Posted - 2012.01.17 09:17:00 -
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Yeeessss, my point being you make the orca jump out before it gets to scoop the crims. Duh.
The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man.
Sun Tzu
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MrWhitei God
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
26
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Posted - 2012.01.17 23:54:00 -
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This is just horrible.
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Kri Matar
Brutor Bike Co.
Heretic Nation
3
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Posted - 2012.01.18 02:35:00 -
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screw you guys, i spent 2 bil on that legion to only camp a gate and take isk from the poor and give it to myself and i want no risk at all when using it, so i keep my orca alt right next to it ready to jump out.. get mad. rawr! |
Kri Matar
Brutor Bike Co.
Heretic Nation
3
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Posted - 2012.01.18 02:37:00 -
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Kri Matar wrote:screw you guys, i spent 2 bil on that legion to only camp a gate and take isk from the poor and give it to myself and i want no risk at all when using it, so i keep my orca alt right next to it ready to jump out.. get mad. rawr!
actually a broseph bought my faction mods cuz i couldnt afford them at the time. but i was a warlord once so i get free stuff.
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Kri Matar
Brutor Bike Co.
Heretic Nation
3
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Posted - 2012.01.18 02:45:00 -
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0Lona 0ltor wrote:T3's run to orca on gate get scooped, Orca's jump to High sec.
just want to clarify that there was infact no running. orca and legions are already in jump/scoop range for maximum faggotry.
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Jude Lloyd
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
285
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Posted - 2012.01.18 05:31:00 -
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Plus 0lana, hate to break this to you... but about half the camp was able to warp off before being pointed.
Do you happen to remember your fleet compositions? Ours was Orca, Legion, Legion, Ashimmu, Drake, Huginn.
Not sure why your boy smacked us so hard for leaving the gate... if I remember correctly you had multiple logis.
We did reship and undock to fight you guys, but you left pretty quickly.
Heretic Army CEO
Host of Frigfry Fridays
http://judelloyd.blog.com/ -á |
Brother Galladrinal
Havoc Violence and Chaos
BricK sQuAD.
3
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Posted - 2012.01.18 13:42:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Yeeessss, my point being you make the orca jump out before it gets to scoop the crims. Duh.
Great idea, point on the Orca at 0, quick all dmg on the.....oh he jumped, point on the other orca....all dmg on the orca.....oh he jumped.....oh everyone has warped.
@Jude: We had 2 guardians, along with Devoter, Apoc, Domi, Zealot x 2 and an AF.
You forgot to mention the Rook and Cyclone you had. I know because we primaried the rook and I pointed the Cyclone.
Hats off to you guys from me, i didn't know it was something you could still do. It surprised us, we did think that you would try and fight us, Rook could have jammed 1 Guardian surely?
Anyway, until next time. 
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Tabernack en Chasteaux
W.A.S.P
Sons of Sylph
30
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Posted - 2012.01.18 14:39:00 -
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Here's an idea: don't fight on a gate where your enemies can just jump to high sec. Obvious tactic is obvious.
That's assuming you're in it for the killmails. If your objective was just to break up the camp, congratulations! Great success. |
Brother Galladrinal
Havoc Violence and Chaos
BricK sQuAD.
3
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Posted - 2012.01.18 15:26:00 -
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Tabernack en Chasteaux wrote:Here's an idea: don't fight on a gate where your enemies can just jump to high sec. Obvious tactic is obvious.
That's assuming you're in it for the killmails. If your objective was just to break up the camp, congratulations! Great success.
Very true, although if they are gcc then they can't....and we expected them to fight.
Op success!! lol |
Sutskop
PILSGESCHWADER
Monkey Circus
39
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Posted - 2012.01.18 15:46:00 -
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Tabernack en Chasteaux wrote:Here's an idea: don't fight on a gate where your enemies can just jump to high sec. Obvious tactic is obvious.
That's assuming you're in it for the killmails. If your objective was just to break up the camp, congratulations! Great success.
The enemies didn't jump into hisec - only their ships did 
Didn't they change the ability to dock ships with aggression? Or is it only for carriers? Sorry I'm asking so dumb, it's just we hardly ever use such "tactics". |
Valoche Mrehl
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
9
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:28:00 -
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Nothing to see here. 
Move along.  |
MrWhitei God
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
27
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:51:00 -
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Valoche Mrehl wrote:Nothing to see here. Move along.
moving along |
Traska Gannel
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
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Posted - 2012.01.20 17:13:00 -
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0Lona 0ltor wrote:Hostile gate camp detected on low side of low and high sec gate. Our fleet jumps in scramming several T3's, strangely there are 2 positive standing players sitting in orcas on the gate.
T3's engage our fleet it is clear our fleet is going to win, T3's run to orca on gate get scooped, Orca's jump to High sec.
I'm not crying or mad and I'm impressed that the opposing fleet discovered how to do this and I don't think they should be banned, punished or warned at the least as it's taking the sandbox to the limits which I enjoy.
Now that this tactic has been documented can some one from CCP close it before it gets old fast! 2 ways to stop this are
1. Prevent Orca's scooping agro'd and GCC pilot's.
2. Transfer agro and GCC to ORCA making it shootable or concordable if it jumps to High.
Thank you for your time and thanks to the fleet that made me go ''WTF, Mkay, LOL''.
Sorry if this is allready and well known and I'm slow on the ball.
One counter via in game PVP would be to get a Smartbombing ship up in the face of Orca's
Am I missing something ... it seems to me that the issue is that the Orca's had a POSITIVE standing ... unless you mean something different by that than I would. You are unlikely to shoot blues on a gate and would tend to be surprised if they scooped your opponents and carried them off to high sec.
On the other hand, a neut or red orca sitting on a gate to high sec not being attacked in the middle of a gate camp would tend to be a tip off I would think ...
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Hundo Kay
Hephaestus LLC
Gryphon League
38
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Posted - 2012.01.20 21:24:00 -
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Traska Gannel wrote:0Lona 0ltor wrote:Hostile gate camp detected on low side of low and high sec gate. Our fleet jumps in scramming several T3's, strangely there are 2 positive standing players sitting in orcas on the gate.
T3's engage our fleet it is clear our fleet is going to win, T3's run to orca on gate get scooped, Orca's jump to High sec.
I'm not crying or mad and I'm impressed that the opposing fleet discovered how to do this and I don't think they should be banned, punished or warned at the least as it's taking the sandbox to the limits which I enjoy.
Now that this tactic has been documented can some one from CCP close it before it gets old fast! 2 ways to stop this are
1. Prevent Orca's scooping agro'd and GCC pilot's.
2. Transfer agro and GCC to ORCA making it shootable or concordable if it jumps to High.
Thank you for your time and thanks to the fleet that made me go ''WTF, Mkay, LOL''.
Sorry if this is allready and well known and I'm slow on the ball.
One counter via in game PVP would be to get a Smartbombing ship up in the face of Orca's Am I missing something ... it seems to me that the issue is that the Orca's had a POSITIVE standing ... unless you mean something different by that than I would. You are unlikely to shoot blues on a gate and would tend to be surprised if they scooped your opponents and carried them off to high sec. On the other hand, a neut or red orca sitting on a gate to high sec not being attacked in the middle of a gate camp would tend to be a tip off I would think ...
I am assuming they meant positive Sec Status and not Corp status. Simply mentioning that they were welcome in HS, where they people in the T3's were probably not welcome in HS.
I thought you were unable to reship while being targeted? If the T3's were targeted and actively being shot they can still store the ship they are in? Is it just getting a ship out of the Orca I am thinking of?
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Borun Tal
Cubicle Warriors from 'merica
31
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Posted - 2012.01.20 21:42:00 -
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Is it just me or is it rather stupid to sit an Orca on a gate as support for campers? Seems like an expensive, unnecessary risk to me... |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
1114
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:45:00 -
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Borun Tal wrote:Is it just me or is it rather stupid to sit an Orca on a gate as support for campers? Seems like an expensive, unnecessary risk to me...
It's the opposite of a risk actually and allows bads to take less losses without having to be competent.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Mehashi 'Kho
Spiritus Draconis
9
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:39:00 -
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Confirming bumping the orca to allow you to shoot the t3 works. Gf Kri. |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:53:00 -
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+1 confirm bump the orca legion dies \o/ gf |
Lee Whelan
Spiritus Draconis
2
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:55:00 -
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http://spdr.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12196584
It is possible, but 99% of the time, it is risk free pvp.. I say again, risk free pvp. Who ever heard of that? |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
1123
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Posted - 2012.01.21 03:37:00 -
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Confirming people still don't know to tiny url km links
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
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