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Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.27 18:00:00 - [181] Edited by: Garreck on 27/08/2007 18:03:53 Originally by: Seleene Upon hearing this news, one of our FC's asked a question that earned him a new sig. Phew I guess we're safe, then. Originally by: Moira Pricecheck LOL CVA's involvement is actually very humorous... Perhaps most humorous is that, for all the talk that CVA will be dead in a week, there are still people who feel the need to hurl insults from behind the anonymity of an alt. edit Originally by: Moira Pricecheck There is no friendship, or honor, in EvE. Anonymity ensures that. Rather, anonymity provides a vehicle for people to behave however they please. It does not preclude honor or friendship...quite the opposite: when the ability to betray and dishonor is so readily available but not taken advantage of, it throws honorable behavior into very sharp relief.
James Grand Phoenix Navy Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.08.27 18:28:00 - [182] Edited by: James Grand on 27/08/2007 18:27:52 Originally by: Moira Pricecheck This is the internet. Where Men are Men, Women are Men, and teenage girls are overweight 40-something year old men wearing Sailor Moon outfits. Actually, the teenage girls are usually FBI agents. -------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed in my posts are entirely my own.
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.27 18:29:00 - [183] The CVA is much more than just a collection of pointy hat wearing roleplayers (that is mostly me). We believe honor and friendship can exist in EvE as well as it can anywhere else. We have our policies and stick to them. We made that choice when we joined. The CVA may do a great many things that make little to no sense. We continue to maintain NRDS and honor our friendships. Our friends, and even some of our enemies see this and acknowledge it, thank you. Fight us if you want to or ignore us. Some things are indeed beyond standings. If we end up paying for our stance so be it. We are not going to change.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.27 19:02:00 - [184] Glad you guys are joining the epic war, though I personally think you picked the wrong side. Hopefully we can get more of Hardin's more intresting battle reports, which are, and no offence to the coalation, far superior than the usual drivel that invades these forums. Just hope that someone told your guys about the benefits of your opponents using EM hardners & EANM II, otherwise hillarious results will arrive -- Billion Isk Mission
Xraxton Caldari eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.08.27 19:03:00 - [185] Edited by: Xraxton on 27/08/2007 19:04:49 How quickly "RP Values" change when you run out of opponents to fight. That being said you are a strong force and very united opponents. I wish you the best in your future endeavors despite having a bad taste in my mouth from past dealings with you.
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.27 19:05:00 - [186] Edited by: Pezzle on 27/08/2007 19:06:18 bah you fixed it!
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.08.27 19:21:00 - [187] Terrible decision by CVA, especially after all the stuff they threw at U'K. They can't really do this and remain an RP alliance. Now they're just a regular 0.0 alliance involved in a big war, when they didn't have to be. Too bad. They should have supported U'K, and maintained a perpetual state of non-final war with them.
Xraxton Caldari eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.08.27 19:26:00 - [188] Originally by: Johnny ReeRee Terrible decision by CVA, especially after all the stuff they threw at U'K. They can't really do this and remain an RP alliance. Now they're just a regular 0.0 alliance involved in a big war, when they didn't have to be. Too bad. They should have supported U'K, and maintained a perpetual state of non-final war with them. He's right, they threw all of that away when they adopted a constant "Play to win" mentality. And I do mean that as respectfully as possible. Nothing wrong with it - Just admit it.
Popsikle Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.08.27 19:27:00 - [189] Originally by: Moira Pricecheck Edited by: Moira Pricecheck on 27/08/2007 18:01:11 Originally by: Popsikle Originally by: GO MaZ Some things are bigger than standings. Sadly, most of the 0.0 alliances today don't have friends, just standings. They dont understand friendship. Its quite evident in this thread. There is no friendship, or honor, in EvE. Anonymity ensures that. This is the internet. Where Men are Men, Women are Men, and teenage girls are overweight 40-something year old men wearing Sailor Moon outfits. In this game, the first, and often the last, mistake you can ever make, is to trust. Actually there is. It might be confined to our rp world, but considering CVA are RP'ers and so is a group in IAC, thier friendship extends past standings. Just because you choose to abandon all honor when you play eve doesn't mean the rest of us do ;/ ____ <t20> i want to be in a manager potition at Hooters <SaraDawn> Garthagk, do you have it up ? <Garthagk> I can get it up anytime.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.27 19:48:00 - [190] There is an all too commonly accepted falacy that "roleplayers" play a different Eve than "everyone else." We all play Eve. Period. The beauty of Eve is that everybody plays on the same server and has to live with all of the interactions that implies. Nobody exists in a bubble or a vacuum. (Well, okay, space is a vacuum and we've all found ourselves in a bubble at some point or another ) CVA had a conflict with ISS over a system claim and a brief shooting war developed. CVA has helped IAC before and had a lot of folks get upset at us over it. This is not the first interaction CVA has had in 0.0 politics, and every other interaction has been just as controversial for whatever reason. No new decision or "side-taking" has taken place here. CVA has, for a long time, been friends with IAC and provided assistance when asked. Our history predates "The Coallition" and "The Alliance," the only reason people are trying to cram us into one side or another now is, frankly, a lack of open mind or imagination by the general populous. The CVA has shot at -A- and Goons in Providence and will continue to do so until those organizations agree to a NRDS policy in Providence. The CVA has shot at BoB and Exuro Mortis in Providence for the same reason. I've personally flown with MC pilots on anti-piracy patrols as a member of the CVA. It's so much more exciting than the "us vs them" mentality that is so widely accepted in this forum.

Sapphrine 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.27 19:51:00 - [191] the problem alot of us have popsikle is the way that CVA decried U'K's involvement in IAC vs ISS to repay an old debt and their members were incredibly aggreived by it and then a few months down the line.... they go and do the same thing. The hypocrisy is where the bad taste is. TBH, if i was CVA i'd be looking at helping out iac too, they've had help in the past from them and CVA aren't at all bad at the old fleet combat fun :P
Camar Stormriders	Posted - 2007.08.27 19:58:00 - [192] I'll believe all this when I see CVA back in empire and not a minute sooner, those bloody amarrians know how to dig in MINMATART STRIPS! VIKING LOST...
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.27 20:17:00 - [193] Why all that surprise? CVA roleplay Ammar Empire affiliated alliance. IAC roleplay an alliance of Alcoholic beverages production and quality testing. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Sapphrine 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.27 20:38:00 - [194] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Why all that surprise? CVA roleplay Ammar Empire affiliated alliance. IAC roleplay an alliance of Alcoholic beverages production and quality testing. either you're being funny or you don't see the problem with a religious heirachy with strict rules in bed with a conglomoration of alcoholics :P
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.27 20:43:00 - [195] Originally by: Sapphrine either you're being funny or you don't see the problem with a religious heirachy with strict rules in bed with a conglomoration of alcoholics :P Sick people need doctors...alcoholics need God? Garreck shrugs
Xraxton Caldari eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.08.27 20:52:00 - [196] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Sapphrine either you're being funny or you don't see the problem with a religious heirachy with strict rules in bed with a conglomoration of alcoholics :P Sick people need doctors...alcoholics need God? Garreck shrugs Dont mean to have a go at you mate, but this is exactly what i'm talking about.
Kirah Ovai Altcenaries	Posted - 2007.08.27 21:03:00 - [197] Originally by: Johnny ReeRee Terrible decision by CVA, especially after all the stuff they threw at U'K. They can't really do this and remain an RP alliance. Now they're just a regular 0.0 alliance involved in a big war, when they didn't have to be. Too bad. They should have supported U'K, and maintained a perpetual state of non-final war with them. Contrary to what you seem to believe, RP doesn't mean, that they have to seperate themselves from the rest of the universe, stage a war that isn't going anywhere and yell "Have at thee!" while flying into carfully orchestered predetermined fake battles.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.27 21:08:00 - [198] Originally by: Xraxton Dont mean to have a go at you mate, but this is exactly what i'm talking about. Serious answer? Two-fold: - There are organizations in IAC with out-spoken pro-Amarrian sentiment. - Pre-0.0, IAC operated quite largely in low-sec domain and tash-murkon...where CVA has run anti-piracy operations for years and set up solid relations with the locals as a result. Again, this is not some random we're-bored-and-looking-to-take-sides-in-a-fight kind of thing. Our relationship with IAC predates their venture into 0.0.
Blind Date	Posted - 2007.08.27 21:27:00 - [199] Got it, thanks all for the "underline" clues ;)
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.27 22:32:00 - [200] To be perfectly fair Sapp I think more of the heat back then was because CVA did not like ISS or UK while CVA did like IAC (and still does). As far as I am aware there was no ooc malice involved or CAOD hatewars.

WT Snacks Anonymous Legionnaires	Posted - 2007.08.27 22:34:00 - [201] CVA is not as useless as FLA, at any rate.
Petter Sandstad Taggart Transdimensional Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.27 22:37:00 - [202] Originally by: Johnny ReeRee They can't really do this and remain an RP alliance. Now they're just a regular 0.0 alliance involved in a big war, when they didn't have to be. EVE is a roleplaying game, been so since day one. Get over it
Sapphrine 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.27 22:54:00 - [203] Originally by: Pezzle To be perfectly fair Sapp I think more of the heat back then was because CVA did not like ISS or UK while CVA did like IAC (and still does). As far as I am aware there was no ooc malice involved or CAOD hatewars. i got the impression from the private discussions that a lot of the resentment was ooc tbh. Some of those conversations you were actually in iirc. In any case, water under the bridge, and FA speaking about it now will achieve. I've pointed out what i percieve as a double standard and i'm happy to leave it at a disagreement. About the best result we can expect eh? :P
WT Snacks Anonymous Legionnaires	Posted - 2007.08.27 22:57:00 - [204] Originally by: Sapphrine Originally by: Pezzle To be perfectly fair Sapp I think more of the heat back then was because CVA did not like ISS or UK while CVA did like IAC (and still does). As far as I am aware there was no ooc malice involved or CAOD hatewars. i got the impression from the private discussions that a lot of the resentment was ooc tbh. Some of those conversations you were actually in iirc. In any case, water under the bridge, and FA speaking about it now will achieve. I've pointed out what i percieve as a double standard and i'm happy to leave it at a disagreement. About the best result we can expect eh? :P Double standards? In eve? I cannot come to believe this, good sir!
Jim Linger Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.08.28 02:14:00 - [205] Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: Siobhan ... we remain focused on bringing Amarrian civilisation and law and order to Providence and low-sec Amarr space. Death and glory! Amarr cvilisation?! That means cruel slavery to many people! Don't get fooled here, these CVA guys are evil and everyone with at least a bit of respect and honour must stand against them! Coalition, alliance? Doesn't matter, as long as those criminals are driven back! i think i just died a little inside
dralid House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.08.28 06:58:00 - [206] CVA are known to fly with pirates, so they flow to whatever wind is blowing ... -- Where do the wild roses grow?
Popsikle Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.08.28 07:20:00 - [207] Originally by: Sapphrine the problem alot of us have popsikle is the way that CVA decried U'K's involvement in IAC vs ISS to repay an old debt and their members were incredibly aggreived by it and then a few months down the line.... they go and do the same thing. The hypocrisy is where the bad taste is. TBH, if i was CVA i'd be looking at helping out iac too, they've had help in the past from them and CVA aren't at all bad at the old fleet combat fun :P IC cva are a bunch of hypocrites, of course, everyone knows that! ____ <t20> i want to be in a manager potition at Hooters <SaraDawn> Garthagk, do you have it up ? <Garthagk> I can get it up anytime.
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.28 08:47:00 - [208] Originally by: Sapphrine the problem alot of us have popsikle is the way that CVA decried U'K's involvement in IAC vs ISS to repay an old debt and their members were incredibly aggreived by it and then a few months down the line.... they go and do the same thing. If you actually look back at the forums then you will find very little CVA comment on UK getting involved helping ISS. Most CVA felt your involvement was completely justified - after all ISS had helped you save 9UY previously. I think you will find most of the criticism from other parties. We simply took advantage of the situation to hit 8P9 - where you spanked us... ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607
Cythrawl Caldari Central Defiance	Posted - 2007.08.28 10:11:00 - [209] Originally by: Hardin Originally by: Sapphrine the problem alot of us have popsikle is the way that CVA decried U'K's involvement in IAC vs ISS to repay an old debt and their members were incredibly aggreived by it and then a few months down the line.... they go and do the same thing. If you actually look back at the forums then you will find very little CVA comment on UK getting involved helping ISS. Most CVA felt your involvement was completely justified - after all ISS had helped you save 9UY previously. I think you will find most of the criticism from other parties. We simply took advantage of the situation to hit 8P9 - where you spanked us... I wouldn't say spanked. Mostly I remember it coming across as The Enslaver said if you showed up in 8P9 while Loxy and Seleene were helping us rep the pos's back to 50%, he'd cyno his avatar in on the lot of you. Or any time after that while UK was engaged. I think that was the general gist of it. You tried to draw fire for IAC, which didn't really work. Then again, ISS kinda did themselves in... Cythrawl DEFY Director Still Doesn't RP =+=+=+=+=+=+= Originally by: Black Torment OH GOD, DROWNING IN TINFOIL.
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.28 10:36:00 - [210] I for one welcome our new Amarr roleplaying overlords. o7 --- Grismar.net



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