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DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.27 02:02:00 - [1] Edited by: DubanFP on 27/08/2007 02:02:35 CCP is a game that doesn't hold you're hand. Concord only provides consequences not absolute protection. If you were supposed to be 100% safe you wouldn't be able to gank people in high-sec in the first place. EVE online 1) Concord provides consequences not absolute protection 2) If you screw up you actually pay for it. If you die 99.9999% chances are you did something to cause it. Fly with a poorly tanked ship with over 200 mil in loot? Go into low-sec without proper knowledge on what you're doing? Not pay attention to the rules & take from someone else's can? Join a strange gang? It's YOUR fault, not ours, not the pirates, not CCPs 3) The game does not hold your hand. You're responsible for your own losses, and assessing risk vs reward. Keep all your eggs in 1 basket? Ok, but you're accepting the risk, not us or the pirates. 4) You can not just kill a few NPCs and feel sucessful. If you manage to kill, construct, or raid your way to the top it actually means something. You actually have to be "Better" then other REAL people to do "Better". The day one of the above changes is the day I quit This is to prove once and for all that CCP would lose far more players from ruining the game then giving into the whiners. "/sign or /unsign to the part in bold & red" . . . /signed DubanFP P.S. Feel free to foward any "I got ganked, change game to suit my own needs rather then me adapting to your game" whines to this thread so they're no longer able to say the game would be better otherwise. ___________ Xanstin> Your sig is full of really, really crap self quotes. DubanFP> Happy now that i have your quote included?
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.27 02:05:00 - [2] Edited by: DubanFP on 27/08/2007 02:07:03 Originally by: redialer strive to learn your lessons hard some of you will benefit please /sign or /unsign. This is mostly to prove once and for all "undisputedly" that more people play because of these things then despite them. ___________ Xanstin> Your sig is full of really, really crap self quotes. DubanFP> Happy now that i have your quote included?
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.27 02:20:00 - [3] Edited by: DubanFP on 27/08/2007 02:21:17 Originally by: Tamia Clant Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 27/08/2007 02:07:03 Originally by: redialer strive to learn your lessons hard some of you will benefit please /sign or /unsign. This is mostly to prove once and for all "undisputedly" that more people play because of these things then despite them. I thought "/signed" posts were labelled as unconstructive? That said, i do agree with your points. You can add your own comments & agreements. I just want a clearly noticable /signed or /unsigned so a newb can look at a glance without having to look at all the details. And something that's undisputedly for or against my thread. ___________ Xanstin> Your sig is full of really, really crap self quotes. DubanFP> Happy now that i have your quote included?
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.27 02:52:00 - [4] Edited by: DubanFP on 27/08/2007 02:56:05 Originally by: Imperator Jora'h /unsigned - Remote Repping NPC rats to kill a pilot in hi sec while that pilot has NO ability to engage you (maybe they fixed that one...not sure). I'm pretty sure they did fix this one - Low Sec Motherships with Officer Smartbombs that cover the gate (due to the ship's size and Officer mod extra range). SBs are specifically not supposed to be able to do that but they do in this case. The Mothership meanwhile is unstoppable. No way to effectively attack it without it getting away. There are room for changes "like the difficulty of killing a MS", but you should still be able to avoid these if you know what you're doing. - Some guy can flips your ore into a new can using a shuttle. His ALT/mate then at leisure takes all with a hauler. You get to attack the shuttle. Jetcan mining was never intended. It's a creative use that's come into it's own. But essentually when you drop a can you're throwing the stuff out, of course people can take it. Hell there was a time when you didn't even have agression timers. The change was more intended for cans from NPC kills then jetcan mining anyways. Really jetcan mining is the walkaround here not the thieves. - Insurance payouts to suicide gankers. The only argument I have seen for keeping this is to not penalize someone who makes a mistake in Empire and loses their ship (despite there being a warning to stop you from making that mistake). This actually isn't nearly as profitable as people make it sound really. Most of the good stuff goes PoP. Anyways don't go around with 200mil or more stuff afk in an untanked ship and it's not a problem. This one above all your other thing IS YOUR FAULT if it happens. There are legitiment complaints & need for balancing here and there. But if the thread can even remotely fall into one of the 4 categories in the main thread it's their fault more then anything else. Anyways, at least thank you for expressing your opinion in a flame-free way. Even if i disagree with them. ___________ Xanstin> Your sig is full of really, really crap self quotes. DubanFP> Happy now that i have your quote included?
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.27 12:25:00 - [5] Edited by: DubanFP on 27/08/2007 12:35:11 Originally by: Awox Originally by: DubanFP 4) You can not just kill a few NPCs and feel sucessful. If you manage to kill, construct, or raid your way to the top it actually means something. You actually have to be "Better" then other REAL people to do "Better". Say DubanFP, where did you get that 4.7 sec status from? Judging by your killboard activity (pve fit raven losses especially) I would say you are just a carebear poser. 1) You don't lose sec-status for your actions in 0.0 which is where you'll usually find me. 2) For a month or two prior to Querious I've been saving up for something "special", hence no normal kills. Now that we're busy with Fix i'm usually stuck shooting PoSes and sitting next to sniper BSes as they get all the "fun". Almost regret not having more fun, but it was worth it in the end. The battle has been going on for a long time. Things really slowed down & I sat around a lot for a while there. 3) Where did I ever say I PVP a lot? Honestly I haven't had a lot of time for it lately. If I did PVP as much as I'd like to lately you'd be whining that I'm only saying this because i'm a "griefer" myself. If anything that just makes my point more valid because it proves I'm not saying this for my own benifit. 4) Hmm anyways I guess I didn't make enough room for legitiment complaints & it came back to bite me in the ass in this thread. Anyways at least most people ___________ Xanstin> Your sig is full of really, really crap self quotes. DubanFP> Happy now that i have your quote included?
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.27 19:23:00 - [6] Originally by: Lorissanna Edited by: Lorissanna on 27/08/2007 19:09:57 EDIT: Yes I know what the cartoon Carebears are. I've seen the term carebear used in every mmo I have ever played. Now I am curious as to what everyones definition of the term is. Is it just someone that does not want to PvP? Is it someone that seems to think that unconsentual PvP should not exist? It can be either of the above depending on the context. The first one being "ok" to be, but the second use is pretty much an insult. Also made a minor change to the second one. ___________ Xanstin> Your sig is full of really, really crap self quotes. DubanFP> Happy now that i have your quote included?
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.29 12:29:00 - [7] Edited by: DubanFP on 29/08/2007 12:30:29 Originally I was content to let this thread die, but it keeps getting bumped up. Most of the problems stemmed from a misinterpretation of 4) "Completely my fault". I think the thread can still be salvaged, so i looked back and replaced 4) with the new 5). ___________ Desolacer> Who the heck gives YOU the right to ruin it for others buy blowing them up. Zaqar> CCP
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.29 13:20:00 - [8] Edited by: DubanFP on 29/08/2007 13:27:56 Originally by: Selene Fenestre Originally by: Natassja Johannessen /unsigned Funny, it's not PVP-Online either... If only the communtity could open their minds about the dynamics of this game to match that of the devs grand vision for the EVE universe it would do so much more for this game. The whole "EVE is PVP or get out" is so dated now too lol. The game is EVE-olving and the community really needs to catch on their definition of this game...remember, we shape the world within this sandbox that we live. Begs the question. Do you want to see this game to become something truly dynamic and amazing unlike anything else out there(which it will be)and continue for many many years to come or... become just a "spaced theme" strategy / shooter which ppl will eventually get bored of and leave. PVP and PVE are the ying and yang of eve and there isn't one without the other. QFT. Don't get me wrong, its fantastic that Eve is harsh and grim, but its a sandbox game, theres a place for everyone. I never said that any 1 person has to PVP. I'm just saying that removing unconsentual PVP "even from high-sec" is stupid, and against what this game stands for. Also even industry counted toward my old 4) since you're competing to sell your goods. Even that would be competing to be "Better" then the next guy. ___________ Desolacer> Who the heck gives YOU the right to ruin it for others buy blowing them up. Zaqar> CCP

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