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Andargor theWise Collateral Damage Unlimited Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.28 17:23:00 - [1] The Ishtar has the worst CPU of all the HACs. Now that the Zealot, the second worst in the CPU department, has had a 5tf bonus to CPU, the gap with the Ishtar is now 35tf. It is a pain to fit anything non-faction, even less T2. Can this be fixed please? I want to have it blown up in battle, not missions. - Got grief?
Malcanis High4Life SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.28 17:27:00 - [2] Yeah... and the Cerb needs a diet so bad. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
IceAero Amarr Shadow Company	Posted - 2007.08.28 17:33:00 - [3] Eh...He's got a point considering the 5 midslots. If you want an anything close to standard HAC tank, you Must use faction items...and I just don't think that's how it should be.
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.08.28 17:44:00 - [4] never had a problem fitting the ishtar tbh
Andargor theWise Collateral Damage Unlimited Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.28 17:49:00 - [5] Edited by: Andargor theWise on 28/08/2007 17:49:31 Originally by: slothe never had a problem fitting the ishtar tbh Would you like to share some fittings? I've got max fitting skills (WU 5, AWU 5, etc.) and I have to use faction. - Got grief?
LeMoose The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.08.28 17:49:00 - [6] Originally by: slothe never had a problem fitting the ishtar tbh thats cos nanos are easy to fit Caldari ships \| PVP \| Success \| Solo (Pick 3)
Complex Potential Soliders Of Eve The Makhai	Posted - 2007.08.28 17:56:00 - [7] Yeah, ishtar isn't meant to tank. Fit it for speed and cap and let your drones do the close up work.
Jasese	Posted - 2007.08.28 17:58:00 - [8] OFC its little hard to struggle with the fitt but if they boost they cpu it will pwnzor all hac's
Andargor theWise Collateral Damage Unlimited Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.28 18:00:00 - [9] I don't mind having hard choices to make when fitting, but having only one way to fit is wrong IMHO. I'm not asking for mucho CPU added, just a little bit to allow for a tanked setup. I know gallente has bad press for being the most overpowered (or better balanced, depending on point of view), and I'm not looking for a solo pwnmobile. Like I said, I want it blown up. - Got grief?
Meleia	Posted - 2007.08.28 18:20:00 - [10] The Ishtar is already overpowered and you guys wanna have it buffed even more? Its like asking for a buff for Domi and/or Myrmidon... Plz give it up before someone at CCP thinks you guys represent the whole bunch of us.
Dreadpilot Roberts New Balkan Mafia Circle 0f Two	Posted - 2007.08.28 18:28:00 - [11] Best title I've seen in ages roflmao
Aferah	Posted - 2007.08.28 19:52:00 - [12] Originally by: Andargor theWise The Ishtar has the worst CPU of all the HACs. Now that the Zealot, the second worst in the CPU department, has had a 5tf bonus to CPU, the gap with the Ishtar is now 35tf. It is a pain to fit anything non-faction, even less T2. Can this be fixed please? I want to have it blown up in battle, not missions. wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow zealot 0m3 drones, how much in ishtar ? np ill give 35tf of cpu on zealot to get same size drone bay ok ? zealot smallest drone bay aaaaaa fit that
Aramendel Amarr Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.28 19:56:00 - [13] Originally by: Andargor theWise The Ishtar has the worst CPU of all the HACs. Now that the Zealot, the second worst in the CPU department, has had a 5tf bonus to CPU, the gap with the Ishtar is now 35tf. Fit other HACs to deal 450 dps and see how much cpu they have left. And grid. And lowslots. The ishtars fittings are fine.
Yaro	Posted - 2007.08.28 20:08:00 - [14] I have plenty of cpu on my ishtar, just use nano setup.
Andargor theWise Collateral Damage Unlimited Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.28 20:09:00 - [15] Originally by: Aramendel Originally by: Andargor theWise The Ishtar has the worst CPU of all the HACs. Now that the Zealot, the second worst in the CPU department, has had a 5tf bonus to CPU, the gap with the Ishtar is now 35tf. Fit other HACs to deal 450 dps and see how much cpu they have left. And grid. And lowslots. The ishtars fittings are fine. Hopefully, close to 0 of each with all slots filled. Unfortunately, totally irrelevant to this discussion, as you seem to take aim at drones and the ship's bonus. Nothing to do with fitting the ishtar. - Got grief?
Aramendel Amarr Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.28 20:12:00 - [16] Originally by: Andargor theWise Hopefully, close to 0 of each with all slots filled. Unfortunately, totally irrelevant to this discussion, as you seem to take aim at drones and the ship's bonus. Nothing to do with fitting the ishtar. You compare the available fitting of a ship which does 450 dps vs the available fitting of a ship which does 0 dps. It has everything to do with this thread here.
Andargor theWise Collateral Damage Unlimited Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.28 20:16:00 - [17] Edited by: Andargor theWise on 28/08/2007 20:16:34 Originally by: Aramendel You compare the available fitting of a ship which does 450 dps vs the available fitting of a ship which does 0 dps. It has everything to do with this thread here. Well I must be truly stupid, or stumbled into a discussion about industrials, because I have no clue what you are on about. If you are saying: "the other HACs are underpowered, let's keep the isthar crippled so it can only be nano-fitted", then I will let you contemplate how flawed that logic is. - Got grief?
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.08.28 20:28:00 - [18] Originally by: Andargor theWise Edited by: Andargor theWise on 28/08/2007 20:16:34 Originally by: Aramendel You compare the available fitting of a ship which does 450 dps vs the available fitting of a ship which does 0 dps. It has everything to do with this thread here. Well I must be truly stupid, or stumbled into a discussion about industrials, because I have no clue what you are on about. If you are saying: "the other HACs are underpowered, let's keep the isthar crippled so it can only be nano-fitted", then I will let you contemplate how flawed that logic is. The other option would be of course to either limit its drone bay to a more reasonable 25m3 or giving a full set of drones with the ishtars bonusses 25 DPS instead of 450. But I doubt many pilots would agree with such a balancing act. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2007.08.28 20:32:00 - [19] Originally by: LeMoose Originally by: slothe never had a problem fitting the ishtar tbh thats cos nanos are easy to fit QFT. It's always needed at least 1 faction hardener and other named stuff to fit for tanking. Kinda stupid TBH considering it's a HAC. Then again I always nano it so I don't really care.
Aramendel Amarr Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.28 20:34:00 - [20] Originally by: Andargor theWise Well I must be truly stupid, or stumbled into a discussion about industrials, because I have no clue what you are on about. If you are saying: "the other HACs are underpowered, let's keep the isthar crippled so it can only be nano-fitted", then I will let you contemplate how flawed that logic is. The point which you are missing is: NO hac has after a full gank weapon fitting much left for other stuff. We are talking about 2-3 slots left for a tank at most. The other HACs cannot tank better than the ishtar if they want to do similar dps. The ishtar has low fitting recources because it does not have to spend much for weapons. It is what makes it balanced to other HACs. If it had more fitting we would have a myrmidon on the HAC lvl.
Banzai OdiN Caldari Species 5618 Pure.	Posted - 2007.08.28 21:08:00 - [21] Edited by: Banzai OdiN on 28/08/2007 21:08:39 woops
Lydia Browm Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.28 21:09:00 - [22] erm so every hac can use all of there bonuses yet the ishtar can't use its blaster bonus, try fitting mwd to get into range and then heavy ion blaster II's and then a cap booster to keep everything going because of the mwd and then a tank to last you logn enough to mwd into range , drones are part of its split weapo system there is a reason it has 3 turrets you know. ___________________________________________ Cookies if you hijack or sign my sig. There tasty...
Aramendel Amarr Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.28 21:18:00 - [23] Originally by: Lydia Browm erm so every hac can use all of there bonuses yet the ishtar can't use its blaster bonus, try fitting mwd to get into range and then heavy ion blaster II's and then a cap booster to keep everything going because of the mwd and then a tank to last you logn enough to mwd into range , drones are part of its split weapo system there is a reason it has 3 turrets you know. Exept every other HAC needs 3-4 bonuses to even allow it to reach the ishtars dps. The ishatr needs only 2 for that. The medium hybrid and drone control range are in the end only filler bonuses. Or of cource, you could just use 2 reactor controls. Should give you enough for 3 medium hybrids, a MWD and a 3 slot tank and some spare. Other HACs need to use 2-3 lows for damage mods to reach ishtar class dps.
Reto The Last Resort	Posted - 2007.08.28 21:31:00 - [24] the biggest problem of the "boost my ship"-brigade is that they have too high expectations of their ships. they want to have the best ship possible in order to pwn in pvp. u guys are mistaken. if u fit ur ship and ppl say its the best of its class etc. than u should always consider that there is no best ship in eve. and that there are always compromises to be met in order to have a viable setup. its sad but the cpu limitations and the pg and the weight and everything about the dozens of stats every ship has is there for a reason. some ships are heavier and slower but have other streghts in return. some ships are fast and agile but have other disadvantages. its a big problem that u cant have all good aspects but leaving out the bad ones. Originally by: s4mp3r0r "Hey man, you're mom has a cruise missile".
Lydia Browm Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.28 21:31:00 - [25] Originally by: Aramendel Originally by: Lydia Browm erm so every hac can use all of there bonuses yet the ishtar can't use its blaster bonus, try fitting mwd to get into range and then heavy ion blaster II's and then a cap booster to keep everything going because of the mwd and then a tank to last you logn enough to mwd into range , drones are part of its split weapo system there is a reason it has 3 turrets you know. Exept every other HAC needs 3-4 bonuses to even allow it to reach the ishtars dps. The ishatr needs only 2 for that. The medium hybrid and drone control range are in the end only filler bonuses. Ishtar can also loose its drones, trust me all it takes is a huginn and some kiteing ive done it before and ive had it done you know how hard it can be to micro- manage most of the time sometimes u don't realise when your 2km from the enemy and your drone gets webbed 4.5k and ur webbed alos the drone goes boom! Or of cource, you could just use 2 reactor controls. Should give you enough for 3 medium hybrids, a MWD and a 3 slot tank and some spare. Other HACs need to use 2-3 lows for damage mods to reach ishtar class dps. ___________________________________________ Cookies if you hijack or sign my sig. There tasty...
Corphus Aliastra	Posted - 2007.08.28 21:32:00 - [26] Originally by: Lydia Browm erm so every hac can use all of there bonuses yet the ishtar can't use its blaster bonus, try fitting mwd to get into range and then heavy ion blaster II's and then a cap booster to keep everything going because of the mwd and then a tank to last you logn enough to mwd into range , drones are part of its split weapo system there is a reason it has 3 turrets you know. its not a blasterboat tho.
Aramendel Amarr Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.28 21:39:00 - [27] Originally by: Lydia Browm Ishtar can also loose its drones, trust me all it takes is a huginn and some kiteing ive done it before and ive had it done you know how hard it can be to micro- manage most of the time sometimes u don't realise when your 2km from the enemy and your drone gets webbed 4.5k and ur webbed alos the drone goes boom! Firstly, learn to quote. Secondly, a huginn will with the right setup also disable any other HAC. Web + 2 damps = waiting to get popped.
Andargor theWise Collateral Damage Unlimited Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.28 22:12:00 - [28] Edited by: Andargor theWise on 28/08/2007 22:13:09 Originally by: Aramendel The point which you are missing is: NO hac has after a full gank weapon fitting much left for other stuff. We are talking about 2-3 slots left for a tank at most. The other HACs cannot tank better than the ishtar if they want to do similar dps. The ishtar has low fitting recources because it does not have to spend much for weapons. It is what makes it balanced to other HACs. If it had more fitting we would have a myrmidon on the HAC lvl. Now I apologize if this is harsh, but it does sound like a rant about drones. I just do not give credibility to any arguments quoting dps or QuickFit calculations. There have been many discussions about different weapon systems, and each of them have their advantages and drawbacks. Take from that what you will. If you have ever tried to fit an Ishtar, dps is the least of your concerns, because it is a drone boat, and your damage is dictated by your drone bay size and skills. Nothing to do with fittings. (well, maybe if you want to fit a whopping 3 blasters) I get that you are saying that overall, it's overpowered. I give even less credibility to that, since, again, its relative and depends on skill and situation in this case. I'm saying that it's a one-fitting ship, and that it needs adjustment. Drop the drone damage bonus to heavy drones, or give 5% per level to all drones, or add a turret hardpoint, but give us more fitting options with this ship. It's boring! Originally by: Reto the biggest problem of the "boost my ship"-brigade is that they have too high expectations of their ships. they want to have the best ship possible in order to pwn in pvp. Putting words in my mouth and making uncalled for assumptions ftl. - Got grief?
xHalcyonx Amarr Lucian Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.28 22:21:00 - [29] Originally by: Andargor theWise Ishtar CPU is an 8086 O_o. You have to be joking right? The CPU on an Ishtar is more akin to a 555! ------------------- ნỊs uʍop əpỊsdn
Lydia Browm Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.28 22:22:00 - [30] Originally by: Aramendel Originally by: Lydia Browm Ishtar can also loose its drones, trust me all it takes is a huginn and some kiteing ive done it before and ive had it done you know how hard it can be to micro- manage most of the time sometimes u don't realise when your 2km from the enemy and your drone gets webbed 4.5k and ur webbed alos the drone goes boom! Firstly, learn to quote. Secondly, a huginn will with the right setup also disable any other HAC. Web + 2 damps = waiting to get popped. Sorry if im not a forum ***** like you, but any other ship with dual web for that matter will do it also and i tend to fit dual webs where i can. ___________________________________________ Cookies if you hijack or sign my sig. There tasty...

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