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Hachun K'ar
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Posted - 2007.08.29 14:24:00 -
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I know this has been brought up, and I understand why CCP doesn't allow account sharing (it's an essential lease of the software to one person).
Now, what if two people were to jointly pay for an account? Is that against the EULA for those two to access that account even if they were both paying half of the sub fees some how?
Thanks,
HK
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Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.08.29 14:26:00 -
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i would say that its still officialy againt the rules (because accounts can only be registered to one person), if you want a official answer maybe send a petition.
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Vladic Ka
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.29 14:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc
i would say that its still officialy againt the rules (because accounts can only be registered to one person), if you want a official answer maybe send a petition.
Holy huge sig batman!
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.08.29 14:31:00 -
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EULA 2.A
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Establishing a New Account
When it is first run, the Software will prompt you to register a new Account online. Upon establishing a new Account, you will be entitled to play EVEÖ for thirty (30) days without paying the subscription fee (the "Trial Period"). If your Account is not terminated in accordance with the procedures set forth below within that thirty (30) day period, you will be charged the subscription fees as described during the registration process when you established your Account.
Only an individual, natural person who is an adult or, in the discretion of such an adult, his or her minor child, may establish an Account. You are responsible and liable for all activities conducted through your Account, regardless of who conducts those activities.
You may not share your Account with anyone, or allow anyone other than you personally (or your minor child, if you have registered an Account on behalf of your minor child) to access or use your Account. Joint or shared ownership or use of an Account by more than one user is prohibited.
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVEÖ is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. Business entities and anyone who is acting for or on behalf of a business or for business purposes may not establish an Account, access the System or play EVEÖ. Accessing the System or using the Game for commercial, business or income-seeking purposes is strictly prohibited.
The highlighted section means only one person can create an account and only one person may use it. Even if you guys share the cost for the account the account may still only be registered to one person and used by that person alone.
Wrangler
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SexxxSlave
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Posted - 2007.08.29 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Vladic Ka
Originally by: Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc
i would say that its still officialy againt the rules (because accounts can only be registered to one person), if you want a official answer maybe send a petition.
Holy hijacking the thread batman!
fixed.....
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Hachun K'ar
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Posted - 2007.08.29 14:32:00 -
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Ah, thanks.
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Zhett Haukes
Insult to Injury
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Posted - 2007.08.29 14:34:00 -
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If you hadn't said anything, would they ever find out?
Unless they have spies in every corp and in your house...
*looks behind him*
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Hachun K'ar
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Posted - 2007.08.29 14:37:00 -
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Well it would be impossible to find out if we both used the same computer (since we're at Uni). Unless they have infiltrated the university..
*Screams like a little girl and runs into the dark corner*
That is, if we did share an account, which we won't, because they'll now be watching me 
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.29 15:08:00 -
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*withholds frustrated comment about the EULA*
- Recruitment open again-
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Dal Thrax
Multiverse Corporation
The Core Collective
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Posted - 2007.08.29 15:10:00 -
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Though I should add that if you get shipped off to Iraq, a military POA, allowing somebody to see to your affairs, would under US Law trump the EULA. So there is one situation where you can have two people with access to one account (now what CCP an Icelandic company would do is such a situation is up in the air).
Dal
Originally by: Seleene
It seems to me that 'independence' is a relative term these days, determined mainly by the size and number of your guns.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.08.29 15:10:00 -
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You need to be in a really big alliance, and need Titans and CynoNets 23/7 before you are officially allowed to ignore that part of the EULA.
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Elite Marksman
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Posted - 2007.08.29 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Elite Marksman on 29/08/2007 15:12:41
If they wanted to, ban your account under the "we own everything and provide everything at our convenience" clause.
edit- can't spell
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.29 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dal Thrax
Though I should add that if you get shipped off to Iraq, a military POA, allowing somebody to see to your affairs, would under US Law trump the EULA. So there is one situation where you can have two people with access to one account (now what CCP an Icelandic company would do is such a situation is up in the air).
Dal
Nope.
Been there, done that. EULA has nothing to do with national laws. It's your contract vs. a company.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.08.29 15:17:00 -
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Oh wait, I forgot the other group allowed to account share.
23/7 Dedicated Farmers.
No CCP, you cannot rat in 0.0, run courier missions, or Level 4's for Caldari Navy 23 hours a day every single day, no matter how much you want to justify it to yourselves.
"Well you know, I hear that these Hatians are really dedicated gamers and they can do that and they pay us lots of nice yankee dollars for our yachts, and I think we should leave alone."
That's right, 1 hour sleep a day super humans. Not account Sharers. Not at all, oh no.
Muppets.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.08.29 15:17:00 -
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Another game had these, was it, "sitting" rules in place, worked rather fine.
Person A is on holiday.
Person B could watch his account.
Person A petitions that person B gets "sitting rights".
Person B can, if granted, now sit for a limited amount of time and with limited options by the other persons account.
This could be implemented in EVE i think. Usually these kind of "account sharing needs" are based on setting skill training.
Petition for a permit for someone else to "sit" your account and change skills.
This could be done with, perhaps, setting the account to a "sitting" status so only option to use ingame is to change skills.
Or...some such nonsense 
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.08.29 15:24:00 -
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You'd have to do something really bad for us to take legal actions because of a EULA violation. 
Wrangler
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Nicho Void
Gallente
Hyper-Nova
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Posted - 2007.08.29 15:26:00 -
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Edited by: Nicho Void on 29/08/2007 15:26:36
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
You'd have to do something really bad for us to take legal actions because of a EULA violation.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.08.29 15:29:00 -
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Wrangler, side question: What if an associate (friend, family member, whathaveyou), lets say my younger sibling, opens up an account, but the payment comes out of my pocket, does this still violate that clause of the EULA even though I only give him/her the cash to pay for it and I dont know the user/pass and other details of the account?
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.29 15:30:00 -
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Quote:
You may not share your Account with anyone, or allow anyone other than you personally (or your minor child, if you have registered an Account on behalf of your minor child) to access or use your Account. Joint or shared ownership or use of an Account by more than one user is prohibited.
if its your kid, its all good, and they dont care who pays for it as long as it isnt shared 
Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve-Forums:
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Smacking my own alt in a nerf-thread while drunk, he was irritating a Hauler full of tech II n00bs, Oops.
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Malashek Vatrii
Non-Conformist Amarr Loyalists
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Posted - 2007.08.29 15:33:00 -
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I just don't see how you can't eliminate account sharing, since, IP Address system is so, weak. And there are excuses for anything except 23/7 macroing. "Oh, I fly regularly between England and Denmark, that's why you have an IP from England and Denmark logged to my account".
All sorts, so CCP, do you have ways of catching account sharing?
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Ker Ching
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Posted - 2007.08.29 15:37:00 -
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So, in theory, if an account is logged on and active 23 hours a day it must be violating the EULA. Why aren't these accounts banned?
Originally by: Sahwoolo Etoophie
Please stop posting threads. *click*
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Fester Addams
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.08.29 15:38:00 -
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Like always when you are dealing with an EULA you must always remember that while the EULA states alot of things as law they may not be law in your country, in reality trying to enforcing such rules may actually be against the law.
All of that is however moot as the most important part of the EULA is that CCP may choose not to do buisness with any one of us, if they choose to not do buisness with an account then the account will effectivelly be banned.
In short, I follow the EULA to the best of my abilities.
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Rude Bwoy
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Posted - 2007.08.29 15:42:00 -
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well, i suppose enforcement of any bans due to infringement of the EULA is subject to the owner's digression.
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.08.29 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
Wrangler, side question: What if an associate (friend, family member, whathaveyou), lets say my younger sibling, opens up an account, but the payment comes out of my pocket, does this still violate that clause of the EULA even though I only give him/her the cash to pay for it and I dont know the user/pass and other details of the account?
No, as long as one person only has access to the account, and the account is registered to that person, I don't see us having any issues with it.
Wrangler
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Dark Guardian
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Posted - 2007.08.29 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ker Ching
So, in theory, if an account is logged on and active 23 hours a day it must be violating the EULA. Why aren't these accounts banned?
If such 23 hour active access continues more than a few days (hey, some geeks are young), then they probably are banned. They won't be posting here confirming, because ... they're banned :) |
Montague Zooma
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.29 16:41:00 -
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My cat likes to swat at my keyboard while I'm playing. I hope that's not a EULA violation.
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Rashell
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.08.29 16:43:00 -
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Dont think you can ban an account for being on 23/7...i know a few people that leave their computer running 24/7, logged into their game constantly. Even though most of the 23/7's are probly chinese farmers or whatever, im sure there are a few normal geeks in there that dont mind a large power bill and fire hazard 
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Moon Kitten
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.29 16:44:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=544825&page=1#9
Originally by: CCP Fear
But as has been pointed out here, you can always start a trial account. That way your friend can also keep his character if he wishes to continue playing for example (as account sharing is forbidden ;) )
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=584621&page=1#16
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
You'd have to do something really bad for us to take legal actions because of a EULA violation.
Hmm, what is CCP trying to tell us with the and ;) emoticon?
From my perspective it seems like CCP spokespersons are trying to have the cake and eat it too by giving us ambiguous signals.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.08.29 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: Kazuma Saruwatari on 29/08/2007 16:55:50
I think the issue of account sharing would apply more if both you and the person you're sharing the account try to get on at the same time.
That's definately going to get logged, and thanks to the EULA, grounds for banning or other such actions.
Wrangler: thanks for the answer :D
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Captian Internet
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Posted - 2007.08.29 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
You'd have to do something really bad for us to take legal actions because of a EULA violation.
So the faction Nyx that I looted is why I'm being chased by rl concord? 
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