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Oki Riverson
Amarr
Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.08.30 11:24:00 -
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Well so far I've tried two of the new Khanid ship layouts, the Sacrilege and the Malediction. And I'm impressed. It's put Amarr on par with its rivals (Well these 2 ships anyway.)
Any Heretic and Damnation pilots wanna add to this?
All in all, good job so far CCP.
Live long and Veldspar \\.//( -_-) |
Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.08.30 11:30:00 -
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HAven't taken my vengeance out of the mothballs yet, simply 'cause i have to train *shivers* those durned missiles 
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Elles D
Caldari
Sol Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.30 11:33:00 -
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I'm extremely happy with my mal, over 20kills in 2 days and it hasn't let me down yet.
Just fit it like you would a Crow, it does the same things but better.
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Oki Riverson
Amarr
Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.08.30 11:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Elles D
I'm extremely happy with my mal, over 20kills in 2 days and it hasn't let me down yet.
Just fit it like you would a Crow, it does the same things but better.
/me Nods
Live long and Veldspar \\.//( -_-) |
Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.30 11:34:00 -
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What? Didn't you hear that this is just another Amarr nerf by CCP, a slap in the face to a quarter of EVE?! That all of these ships are automatically useless, and that this is evident merely from their Show Info page, removing the need to actually try them to form an opinion?
You must be mistaken, good sir!
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Ray Beams
Under the Wings of Fury
Dogs of War.
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Posted - 2007.08.30 11:37:00 -
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Pretty happy with all the new Khanid changes beside the damnation. (didn't try the interdictor)
Damnation is, well, like it used to be with different bonus, Phat tank, DPS of a missile ferox with a missile velocity bonus added, far from being on part with the Eos or the claymore, imo.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.08.30 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
What? Didn't you hear that this is just another Amarr nerf by CCP, a slap in the face to a quarter of EVE?! That all of these ships are automatically useless, and that this is evident merely from their Show Info page, removing the need to actually try them to form an opinion?
You must be mistaken, good sir!
Weeeeell...it's not a "boost" to amarr per say, though the new ships are nice, and it does have its downsides, but it's more on the good side
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Oki Riverson
Amarr
Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.08.30 11:39:00 -
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The damnation does look a little wet in the DPS department...but with that tank...It's probably the strongest Command ship in the game, But I can't fly them, so I don't have first hand experience.
Live long and Veldspar \\.//( -_-) |
Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.08.30 11:43:00 -
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 Amarr train missiles? Sounds like a nerf right there...
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Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online |
Grytok
German Kings
OPUS Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.30 11:44:00 -
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Heretic is nice, but it's DPS is Crap as long as you use Light-Missiles on it.
With Rockets it's quiet par with the Sabre, but it lacks the 4th Med-Slot to fit a Webber, or if you fit one, you've got no tank at all.
Nice one is, that it's faster than a Sabre :)
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Radioactive Babe
Red Frost
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Posted - 2007.08.30 11:50:00 -
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I am currently training missles for my damnation (have t2 heavies, few days to t2 hams) ... I was just wondering, what kind of speed does a heavy missle or HAM (or T2/faction version of those missles) get up to in a damnation with missle projection 5? ...still have guided missle projection and target nav prediction to get to 5 so probably not all that effective against inties... |
amarrly
Amarr
Silver Star Federation
Stain Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.30 11:55:00 -
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yer quite liking these new changes makes a refreshing challenge, diffrent damage types diffrent slot lay outs, i still hope ccp keep the diffrent races abiltys rather than making them all the same dps, tank, speed ect ect which i fear may happen in the future.
On a side note has anyone experienced if the nos changes have benifited amarr in anyway, yes i know about the curse and pilgrim, but i mean in a large engagement, i.e do you still have the cap drained from you, rendering you useless.
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elorran
Minmatar
Ante Matter
Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss
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Posted - 2007.08.30 11:55:00 -
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Edited by: elorran on 30/08/2007 11:55:39
I like some of the changes they've made to the Khanid ships. At first I was uncertain but after refitting my vengeance to a rocket set up and thinking over the other ships they seem to be interesting and reasonably balanced.
I did also pick up a Damnation last night as well. I'm no heavy missile specialist but I have more than enough skill in the missiles group to get me by. I wasn't expecting the damage output on the damnation to be amazing with 5 heavy assault launchers and 2 variable guns, but this thing nearly tanked before I even put anything in to its mid and low slots.
Assuming you have armour at lvl 5 and commandship at 4, you'll be looking at a nice 8k of armour after ship and skill bonuses before applying any modules. The easiest way to describe the reworked damnation without going into detail is an armour tanking nighthawk (it lacks some of the damage output, but makes up for it with the tank).
Now I need to go and refit my heretic while I remember... *sigh*
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Ante Matter - Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss
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Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
Do Or Die And Live Or Try
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Posted - 2007.08.30 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
What? Didn't you hear that this is just another Amarr nerf by CCP, a slap in the face to a quarter of EVE?! That all of these ships are automatically useless, and that this is evident merely from their Show Info page, removing the need to actually try them to form an opinion?
You must be mistaken, good sir!
Good one
Though I get the sarcasm, I would perfer all Amarr ships as Laser tugs. Just for flavor to the game. But since its only the heathen Khanids who use missiles, I can live with it 
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.08.30 12:05:00 -
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As someone who already had some decent missile skills ahead of time:
The Sacrilege makes me happy. In the pants. I'm bumping off heavy assault missiles at an obscene rate. It's not a solopwnmobile, but if you see one headed right for you, your best option is to run / GTFO.
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Damien Smith
Sybrite Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.30 12:16:00 -
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The Damnation is the perfect carrier dropping bait ship now. Not that it wasn't before, but now it's just insane.
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Aem
White-Noise
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.30 12:24:00 -
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The changes are yummy indeed, adds a bit more versatility to the Khanid Ships indeed, brings them out the cupboard, and they'll actually start being used again.
@ OP. Hello Oki, long time indeed ;)
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Deven Sunstorm
Security Forces Domain
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Posted - 2007.08.30 12:30:00 -
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Edited by: Deven Sunstorm on 30/08/2007 12:32:05
Let me first start by saying I hate short range missiles, especially the Heavy Assault Missiles. Seeing the Sacrilege's bonuses change to Assault Missile damage, I become very concerned that the ship would now suck. So I soon began testing the new ship with it's *ideal* fit of heavy assault missile launchers. Just as I expected, it absolutely sucked. Having to equip a AB just to close to 20 meters sucked so hard.. especially when certain drones just wanted to stay at 30 m. Needless to say, I was very disappointed.
Later in the evening, as I was considering selling the now useless HAC, I decided to give it one more attempt. This time forgoing the Assault Missile bonus and just putting more Arbalest Heavy Missile launchers on. After running a few missions I decided that under this setup it was worth keeping.
I still hate H.A.M.s. 
Deven
Deven Sunstorm
***Security Forces Domain -SecFo-
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Kira Natako
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Posted - 2007.08.30 12:52:00 -
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With only T2 stuff, my dual plated fleet Damnation has 27k armor with 80+ rTsists.
That's with the gang bonuses, but without any rigs yet.
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Jay Deah
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.30 12:58:00 -
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i decided to test a heretic rocket setup on Sisi the other night to see how it performed - Nice tank, MWD/WEB/SB. warped to FFA4, and met a cormorant (T1 destroyer)
it WTFPWNBBQ'd me!
WTF?1?!?1?!!ONE!ELEVEN!
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King Khanlei
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Posted - 2007.08.30 15:52:00 -
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Well I'm an unhappy bunny - My poor old sacriledge suddenly can't fit its guns any more  - it was my most used and favourite ship rfor missions.
I used to have 4 x Heavy Beam lasers II's for ranged mission attacks and a couple of Assault Missile II's for those pesky little frigs who got too close - it was a good mix for me but alas I must now change my fitting as I am short by 52 Grid.
Losing 50% bonus to Medium Energy Turret capacitor use, 50% bonus to Medium Energy Turret optimal range and 25% bonus to medium laser damage hurts me right in the in the DPS/Range department.
But at least I now get a bonus to weapons I cannot use and haven't trained for so I guess it's all OK in the end 
Can I please have some cheese with my whine 
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.30 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Grytok
Heretic is nice, but it's DPS is Crap as long as you use Light-Missiles on it.
With Rockets it's quiet par with the Sabre, but it lacks the 4th Med-Slot to fit a Webber, or if you fit one, you've got no tank at all.
Nice one is, that it's faster than a Sabre :)
Its slower than sabre by abt 100m/s (at 6km/s speeds)
3x od + 2x poly on heretic vs 2x od 2x poly sabre. Sabre wins
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Deva Blackfire
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.30 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jay Deah
i decided to test a heretic rocket setup on Sisi the other night to see how it performed - Nice tank, MWD/WEB/SB. warped to FFA4, and met a cormorant (T1 destroyer)
it WTFPWNBBQ'd me!
WTF?1?!?1?!!ONE!ELEVEN!
mwd/scram/medium shield extender, rest fit for speed. This one will kill all slower ships no prob.
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Brunswick2
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.30 15:58:00 -
[24]
I love my new heretic
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Raem Civrie
Sons of Enelaise
Enelaise
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Posted - 2007.08.30 16:13:00 -
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Khanid mkII is the new Jesus.
Srsly. The new ships are hotter than hell if you happen to have both amarr and missiles trained up (i.e. lucky enough to be amarr/caldari spec)
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Tamayo
Amarr
The JORG Corporation
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.30 16:27:00 -
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I'm very happy with my new and improved Sacrilege and Vengeance...
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Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
Animal.
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Posted - 2007.08.30 17:41:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Patch86
What? Didn't you hear that this is just another Amarr nerf by CCP, a slap in the face to a quarter of EVE?!
The Amarr race are not a quarter of Eve. At best, they are a third of what's left after Caldari.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.30 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tommy TenKreds
Originally by: Patch86
What? Didn't you hear that this is just another Amarr nerf by CCP, a slap in the face to a quarter of EVE?!
The Amarr race are not a quarter of Eve. At best, they are a third of what's left after Caldari.
Is that the only thing you thought was wrong with that paragraph? 
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
There's no such thing as playing too much EvE!
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Opai McTwist
Amarr
Inner Circle Helter-Skelter
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Posted - 2007.08.30 18:08:00 -
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Amarr/ Caldari spec here. I run zee missions and I have to say that my new rocket Vengie is hawt secks.
Originally by: Eldo Davip
IMAH CHARGIN MAH LAZORz!!!111
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Red Rumurder
5punkorp
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.30 18:10:00 -
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the rocket shooting vengance is crap, give us light missile bounses or our 3 guns back please. if not vengance 3x wts
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Borasao
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Posted - 2007.08.30 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Red Rumurder
the rocket shooting vengance is crap, give us light missile bounses or our 3 guns back please. if not vengance 3x wts
I'll give you 3m each for them.
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Calleb
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Posted - 2007.08.30 18:43:00 -
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Well ive not refitted my sacrelidge yet as its not local - but playing about on eve fitting tool ot has great potential. My damnation now looks like it could dish some damage as well as uber tank so thats good and the smaller ships now have direction which has to be a good thing.
Its not all good news as the recon ships look fubar on first inspection, but on the whole IMHO its the first step in the right direction for Amarr ships since the nerf on laser turrets way back when i was nowt but a nipper.
All we need is a few more similar inteligent moves and amarr ships may be good once more.
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Red Rumurder
5punkorp
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.30 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Calleb
All we need is a few more similar inteligent moves and amarr ships may be good once more.
with respect to the vengance - how is switching amarr to a missile type ship more intelligent, ooh rockets but not missiles cause oh no, what is caladari suppose to do they're the missile folks. just reduce em resists or add module dmg to the heat of the lasers anything. amarr ship with out lasers is just wrong. i'll play with it some more tonight but ccp for now you've screwed up my favorite amarr AF.
so why missiles for a laser ship race?
why you so biased towards amarr?
when you going to stop nerfing amarr?
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
Life. Universe. Everything.
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.30 20:19:00 -
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I finally decided to buy a Sacrilege when I saw the Khanid changes coming, then worked on my missle skills a bit.
I only had a little bit of time to play with the ship before the changes, and since the changes have only had 1 chance to use it, but overall I am quite happy with the increase in DPS, and the cap regen makes tanking sentries a doable thing.
In general, I am quite happy that I bought this ship, and that I now have a use for that HAC skill that I purchased those many months ago
-=^=-
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Black Scorpio
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Posted - 2007.08.30 22:00:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Deven Sunstorm
Edited by: Deven Sunstorm on 30/08/2007 12:32:05
Let me first start by saying I hate short range missiles, especially the Heavy Assault Missiles. Seeing the Sacrilege's bonuses change to Assault Missile damage, I become very concerned that the ship would now suck. So I soon began testing the new ship with it's *ideal* fit of heavy assault missile launchers. Just as I expected, it absolutely sucked. Having to equip a AB just to close to 20 meters sucked so hard.. especially when certain drones just wanted to stay at 30 m. Needless to say, I was very disappointed.
Later in the evening, as I was considering selling the now useless HAC, I decided to give it one more attempt. This time forgoing the Assault Missile bonus and just putting more Arbalest Heavy Missile launchers on. After running a few missions I decided that under this setup it was worth keeping.
I still hate H.A.M.s.
Deven
It's not for missions you....
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Azirapheal
Amarr
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.30 22:27:00 -
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people always seem to forget that the khanid ships were supposed to be missile toting armor tankers... a cross between caldari schizz and our imperial glory.
im happy that they removed teh splits on most of them, since with the exception of a few ships, splitting the systems just irritates, needing twice the dmg mods for a gank setup
im going to wait untill ive personally flown them all in combat before i judge, but i know i never liked the vengeance before.
Az
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MITSUK0
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Posted - 2007.08.30 22:55:00 -
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Yay! how long for Roden MKII??
I feel embaressed undocking in the Eris TBH 
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Moraguth
Amarr
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.08.30 22:58:00 -
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I love my heretic. That's all I have to say about that.
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Bardi MecAuldnis
Amarr
Heretic Army
Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.31 04:26:00 -
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Edited by: Bardi MecAuldnis on 31/08/2007 04:26:44
Originally by: Borasao
Originally by: Red Rumurder
the rocket shooting vengance is crap, give us light missile bounses or our 3 guns back please. if not vengance 3x wts
I'll give you 3m each for them.
I'll give him 5m each
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Hey hey let's go kenka suru!
Taisetsuna mono protect my balls!
Boku ga warui so lets fighting!
LET'S FIGHTING LOVE!!! |
Kash Ka
Amarr
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.31 04:45:00 -
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Got a corp member in a heritic and vengance, the heritic shootsthe missiles out like a machine gun and the vengance can tank and keep on shooting like crazy all in all amarr are finally good.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.31 04:46:00 -
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Damnation MK2 .. well I do liek my 15k armor without rigs and stuff but meh, my laz0rs sux0r now  - and I'm not going to train up some****gy missile skills. I have ZERO missile skills and I will NEVER get those ghay caldari skills.
So for me, Khanid MK2 was a nerf. 
"Frack yeah! Amarr rulz!"
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Oki Riverson
Amarr
Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2007.08.31 11:20:00 -
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Mixed reaction's indeed. It seams people without the missile skills hate the changed...but those that have (some) missile skills are generally happy. I for one, am rather happy with the changes...Shame about the Pilgrim though.
Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected]) Live long and Veldspar \\.//( -_-) |
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