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Makran Caldari The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.08.31 15:14:00 - [31] Originally by: MultiSpec ...all im saying is what happened and how it looked to me. And looks can be deceiving. I find more often than not. Making accusations in a public forum rarely will get you what you desire. You want to raise a complaint about a member in a corp or alliance, send an evemail to the CEO/Executor/PR Rep stating clearly your problem/concern and see what they respond with. While EVE is a game, it is a player-driven game, and those organizations within it have their own policies regarding their employees/members. So it stands to reason that they would investigate a claim that was made in a professional manner and resolve the issue. I would immagine that Verone would at least send you a courteous reply and explanation as to their side of the story. But again, a public forum is rarely, if ever, the best place to take such a complaint. Good luck, and fly safe. -Mak =====
Susan Acid	Posted - 2007.08.31 15:25:00 - [32] Edited by: Susan Acid on 31/08/2007 15:30:17 Originally by: MultiSpec how can i prove it? i dont fraps mining ops and after asking the GMs for the system logs i was told no, furthermore if a GM did give me said logs i couldnt post about it on eve-o anyway. all im saying is what happened and how it looked to me. Wait...You can't prove it and it's just 'how it looks to you'? Well it 'looks to me' like you are just another Alt in a 1 man corp who is too scared to post with his main(you know the 1 with 42 million sp who's -9 sec )who is a member of a (40 man) Corp that's been getting/is still getting/had been getting a royal spanking by Veto on a daily basis and you're just spouting lies because you don't like the taste of your own medicine and have finally realised that even with 42 million sp you still suck. That's 'how it looks 'to me. GJ Veto is all I can say
Gwoden Gallente Exa Utopia Exa Nation	Posted - 2007.08.31 15:31:00 - [33] Originally by: MultiSpec how can i prove it? i dont fraps mining ops and after asking the GMs for the system logs i was told no, furthermore if a GM did give me said logs i couldnt post about it on eve-o anyway. all im saying is what happened and how it looked to me. Well i've seen people post screen shots of logs instead of dumping them into a reply. Realize that you have the burden of proof. These are your alligations and you need to back them up. You cannot come out and say this man wronged me, and then expect everyone to just follow along with you. And unfortunatly the few alt-tards don't count as support. If this was a real situation, you would have brought this up internally with the leader of the corp. And then handle this situation in game. Generally when people post this kind of crap on a forum and refuse to take up the complaint with the proper channels. They are looking to start something. Cowboy up and get over it. _______________________________________________ There is no "I can't" only "I will".
PhantomVyper Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.08.31 15:32:00 - [34] On a completelly unrelated topic: is that Verone on EVETV right now?!?
Makran Caldari The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.08.31 15:37:00 - [35] Originally by: Gwoden If this was a real situation, you would have brought this up internally with the leader of the corp. And then handle this situation in game. Generally when people post this kind of crap on a forum and refuse to take up the complaint with the proper channels. They are looking to start something... At least I'm not the only one who thinks this is the best way to go about this kind of thing! =====
Gwoden Gallente Exa Utopia Exa Nation	Posted - 2007.08.31 15:42:00 - [36] Originally by: Makran At least I'm not the only one who thinks this is the best way to go about this kind of thing! LOL, sorry Mak. I only got so far into the thread, and then i had to post. But yeah we are right together on this. So yeah.. what i say is what he said... And he's [Makran] with stupid man to didn't read the entire thread. _______________________________________________ There is no "I can't" only "I will".
Makran Caldari The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.08.31 15:46:00 - [37] Originally by: Gwoden ...And he's [Makran] with stupid man to didn't read the entire thread. Haha, not stupid at all man. It's good to see that kind of advice repeated anyway. It's a method of communication that is sadly underused by the majority of EVE in these types of situations. =====
Killde Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2007.08.31 15:57:00 - [38] The solution is simple. If Veto is using log traps, get proof. Fraps is free to use for 30 seconds of recording at a time. Until such time that you have video proof, I'm gonna have to take these claims with a grain of salt. Since Veto kills a lot of people, it comes as no surprise that people would like a bit of revenge by attempting to claim that they use questionable tactics.
XrayZ Euphoria Foundation	Posted - 2007.08.31 16:00:00 - [39] so what if he did it? you died didnt u? and that was what he was after. if he cant get you one way, he will the other. gl & hf eve is just w1n -------------------------------------- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Lord Harold ([email protected])
Major Stallion Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.31 16:05:00 - [40] Originally by: MultiSpec So i dock up and wait for him to leave. after about 20 minutes hes gone from local so i head back to my can in the belt to see if its still there. errrr add hostiles to your address book? and dont tell me theres too many...if you want to be safe, stay prepared. ________________________________ High Sec PvP Originally by: "Wylker" CCP has finally mastered stupidity
Kumq uat Gallente Round Table Enterprises Eastern Star Federation	Posted - 2007.08.31 16:39:00 - [41] Since when did the log in trap become such a horrible thing anyways? www.eve-pirate.com author and goat molestor.
Ryan Darkwolf Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.08.31 17:06:00 - [42] Edited by: Ryan Darkwolf on 31/08/2007 17:07:51 As someone said earlier...looks can be decieving. I was once accused of a loging trap...got petitioned...and when the GMs showed up they told whats-his-face that all I had done was cloak..... He then realized the noobishness of his ways sinec all he had done was wait for my ship to "leave" and didn't bother to check local... Funny thing was that I managed to get close enough to uncloak while moving and an excruciatingly slow 30m/s.. ------------ machett3 leaving local could mean 2 things... 1. He had an alt in the station and jumped the gate (my old corp pulled this one off plenty of times). Then he waited for you to undock...as soon as you did and he was sure you had warped back to the mining spot he jumped into system..hit his warp to bookmark and was on you faster than a dog on peanutbutter.... 2. He got DCed and when he logged back in he warped to his last spot (duh) and you just happened to be there. There is also the possibility that you thought you were safe...went to take a **** and while you were AFK mining he came back and now you are here being a copycat poster trying to get attention by spilling out a corp name like Veto. All in all you got just got (>^.(>O,o)> * ------------------- Quote: Waah ! CCP ! I have to face targets that can actually fight back ! Unfair ! NERF !
Great Artista Caldari Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.31 17:27:00 - [43] You are so gonna get raped now.... _______ ◕◡◕ Space perverts and forum warriors united. [PERVS] My opinions rather rarely represent my corp, not to mention my alliance hihihi...
Jadzia Blue Department of Truth Enhancement	Posted - 2007.08.31 17:34:00 - [44] Originally by: PhantomVyper Originally by: kessah I stand with Veto and Verone on this. You and everyone who is not an alt... I'm an alt and I stand w/ Veto and Verone.
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2007.08.31 17:41:00 - [45] Theres only one way to settle this folks. CAGE MATCH Verone VS Multispec! Pay per view! Will Multispec be able to pull it off with his mining lazers alone?!? Only time will tell! DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale!
Shari Vegas Minmatar Ctrl Alt Elites	Posted - 2007.08.31 18:00:00 - [46] I don't know anything about Veto log on traps, but damn does Verone has a punchable pudding face. Originally by: CCP Wrangler I have no clue.
Lord Zoran Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2007.08.31 18:41:00 - [47] Edited by: Lord Zoran on 31/08/2007 18:43:52 all i can say is that you dont go to amamake with a gang of 30 and expect to fight fair......... yep you heard it veto now seem to be blobbing tbh i wouldnt be surprised if it was true that they use login traps, why cant ccp just release the logs and sort this mess out -.- --------------------------------------------- no sig for you !!!
Idaeus Earned In Blood Black Sun Cartel	Posted - 2007.08.31 18:57:00 - [48] If you have a bunch pilots in the same area, all itching to shoot something, it's kind of silly to ask some of them to sit out of the gang just because you might hurt the feelings of someone else. Play to win. Imposing artificial limits on yourself is silly.
NightmareX Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.08.31 19:22:00 - [49] Edited by: NightmareX on 31/08/2007 19:23:34 Hahahah, saying Veto are using login traps or other traps is almost the same as saying CCP is removing PVP from EVE.
Karlemgne The Malevolent	Posted - 2007.08.31 19:25:00 - [50] Edited by: Karlemgne on 31/08/2007 19:26:33 Originally by: Kain De'Stroi Edited by: Kain De''Stroi on 31/08/2007 12:02:40 I killed a barge in a belt the other day, when i was looting the can i crashed to desktop, took some time to logg back in again and when i finnaly did i landed right on top of the guy that i just killed, this time in a iteron trying to save his loot. killed him again, and ofcourse i got petition for logg in trapp. I have nothing to say about this whole veto thing, however, your post inspired me to respond. Let's face facts, log-in traps are a cheap way to play this game. There is a good reason that this "tactic" has been quantified as an exploit. It unfairly uses game mechanics in an unintended way to give a player, or a group of players an unfair advantage. Particularly when you have large groups of people using 3rd party voice communication software to spring these "traps." All this brings me to YOU. Why are you rolling your eyes at being petitioned? I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, and believe that you actually did have a client crash. Now having said that, you can SEE why someone would think your client crash, and subsequent very convenient log-in just in time to kill the "victims" iteron, might be a log-in trap--can't you? Tbfh, I would have petitioned you there. So let it go, and I am sure that the GMs gave you an opportunity to tell your side of the story, no? -Karlemgne
Karlemgne The Malevolent	Posted - 2007.08.31 19:28:00 - [51] Originally by: Jadzia Blue Originally by: PhantomVyper Originally by: kessah I stand with Veto and Verone on this. You and everyone who is not an alt... I'm an alt and I stand w/ Veto and Verone. Why do so many ******* people post on their ALTS only? -Karl
NightmareX Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.08.31 19:30:00 - [52] Originally by: Karlemgne Originally by: Jadzia Blue Originally by: PhantomVyper Originally by: kessah I stand with Veto and Verone on this. You and everyone who is not an alt... I'm an alt and I stand w/ Veto and Verone. Why do so many ******* people post on their ALTS only? -Karl Because they think OMGOMG they know who my main is, eeeeek they can now use an locator agent on me to find me and kill me, so lets use an alt to hide. And when the alts are saying like that his main is a pirate, that make me laught hard, because a real pirate posts with the main character
Cadela Fria Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.31 19:50:00 - [53] I was in Veto Academy once for a short while, and then got kicked out. Which is not really relevant..What is relevant though is that during my time there, I was once in Syndicate, jumped through a gate that had a crapload of T2 frigates camping it - So my game crapped itself and booted me out (first time it happened too)..I quickly try to log back in to hopefully take someone down with me. Alas, I log on, the screen tries to load - Freezes up and drops me again. I then finally after a bit of waiting, get back on and see massive hull damage, but my ship is alive. Surprised I praise myself extremely lucky..that is, until the people who tried to gank me, report the incident to Veto and I'm suddenly faced with being accused of loggin to save my ship. It was a nightmare to have to explain over and over what had happened and trying to make Verone and hUssman believe me. Veto are zealous about these things, I can personally vouch for that, despite whatever differences I had with Verone and some of the others in Veto. Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right

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