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bldyannoyed Un4seen Development	Posted - 2007.08.31 17:58:00 - [1] Edited by: bldyannoyed on 31/08/2007 17:59:28 Sooooooooooooooo 4 Helldeaths, and so far absolutely nothing that can reasonably even be called a fight, just a whole bunch of sensor damps. Seems all the innovation this year basically comes down to " How many Damps can we get on the battlefield with our 100 points". It sucks. EDIT: Just seen the tournament channel. Doh. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Barbens	Posted - 2007.08.31 21:43:00 - [2] Fishsticks... BaRbEnS
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.08.31 21:45:00 - [3] how many have utilized the freshly overpowered oneiros, yet? - putting the gist back into logistics
Nicho Void Gallente Hyper-Nova	Posted - 2007.08.31 21:53:00 - [4] Originally by: bldyannoyed Edited by: bldyannoyed on 31/08/2007 17:59:28 Sooooooooooooooo 4 Helldeaths, and so far absolutely nothing that can reasonably even be called a fight, just a whole bunch of sensor damps. Seems all the innovation this year basically comes down to " How many Damps can we get on the battlefield with our 100 points". It sucks. I for one thought it was quite enjoyable. I apologize if your attention span was stretched to its limit. ---------------
Drachma Golea Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.08.31 21:53:00 - [5] Edited by: Drachma Golea on 31/08/2007 21:53:29 Originally by: Roemy Schneider how many have utilized the freshly overpowered oneiros, yet? Not in a tourney, but they sure help a lot to kick ass to someone
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.31 22:04:00 - [6] FOF drakes >>> caracals so, erm, what'd you say about damps?
Shar'Tuk TheHated	Posted - 2007.08.31 22:10:00 - [7] CAGE MATCH Verone VS Multispec Dont miss your chance at this awesome event. DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale!

EVETV Xyliana	Posted - 2007.08.31 22:11:00 - [8] yay caracals EVE TV Website

Calidor Droks Caldari No Joy Corp Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.31 22:34:00 - [9] The Rax vs Cara fight was the highlight of the day for me. I've renewed faith in Caldari pvp
Wylker Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii	Posted - 2007.08.31 23:00:00 - [10] Originally by: Calidor Droks Edited by: Calidor Droks on 31/08/2007 22:53:09 The Rax vs Cara fight was the highlight of the day for me. I've renewed faith in Caldari pvp Until I next go into battle anyway Lol. Yeah all you have to do is make sure your opponent understands that they can't warp, can't go too fast, and can't leave a prescribed area that is entirely within heavy launcher range and you're in good shape :P Portsmouth Shipyards IPO Sales Portsmouth Shipyards IPO Discussion
LoxyRider Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.08.31 23:09:00 - [11] Originally by: EVETV Xyliana yay caracals yay posting
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.08.31 23:24:00 - [12] Originally by: Nicho Void Originally by: bldyannoyed Edited by: bldyannoyed on 31/08/2007 17:59:28 Sooooooooooooooo 4 Helldeaths, and so far absolutely nothing that can reasonably even be called a fight, just a whole bunch of sensor damps. Seems all the innovation this year basically comes down to " How many Damps can we get on the battlefield with our 100 points". It sucks. I for one thought it was quite enjoyable. I apologize if your attention span was stretched to its limit. Yes and no. I enjoyed it but honestly what was MOST of what we saw? Caracals and Maulus out the yin-yang. Sure there were other ships but these were by far the most represented ships there and the Maulus was all about damps. I saw a few Abaddons who were largely made useless because of this. Lesson? Don't bring a gun ship to these fights. It is missiles and damps with some logistics.
CharlieMurphy Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.09.01 01:11:00 - [13] Edited by: CharlieMurphy on 01/09/2007 01:10:57 is it just me or does spiraljunky remind you of dominik diamond?
Arana Tellen Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.09.01 01:50:00 - [14] The obviously strongest teams consisted of two logistics, working with eachother to boost themselves and the team. You can bet that Oneiros was giving that abadon tracking and range of doom --------------------------------- Core 2 Duo E4300 1.8ghz @ 3ghz, 2GB Gskill DDR2 5400 @ 667mhh 3-3-3-12, Abit fatality mATX F-I90HD @ 334mhz, 8800GTS 320mb 2x250GB 7200.10s Raid 0, Vista 64 Home.
Mitchman Omniscient Order Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.09.01 02:04:00 - [15] Originally by: Roemy Schneider how many have utilized the freshly overpowered oneiros, yet? The team we were up against had 2 of them. Both died. New video: Pride, Honor & Retribution
MellaRinn Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.09.01 02:11:00 - [16] Edited by: MellaRinn on 01/09/2007 02:12:03 @ OP: and their counter - FOFs... so much for the gankiness suggested by the tourney rule notes ;/ low DPS and low skillpoints in F.O.F skill (don't tell me poeple max those up on them caracals and drakes on their mains...) :/ My Vids - Click
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.09.01 02:20:00 - [17] Originally by: Mitchman Originally by: Roemy Schneider how many have utilized the freshly overpowered oneiros, yet? The team we were up against had 2 of them. Both died. damp'ed or jammed? - putting the gist back into logistics
reg keeper The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.01 02:33:00 - [18] "Tbh" its early days to be calling it a dampner festival. Sure we lost due to better ew and sensor dampners but that does not mean that all the teams will go that way. For every tactic there is a counter. Would like to know what that is before our next match but there ya go. Ya have to be in it to win it. Man I hope im not primary agin
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.01 02:40:00 - [19] There was a handful of decent fight actually. ...and so is your face Rabblerabble -Sahwoolo
LvxOccvlta	Posted - 2007.09.01 03:06:00 - [20] When CCP nerfed ECM, it left only one kind of EWarfare worth a crap-- RSD's.
v1nk3r Firing Squad	Posted - 2007.09.01 03:07:00 - [21] We needed another damp thread... Thank you for posting this.
Erlik Draknor Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.09.01 04:01:00 - [22] I agree with the op. Damps are overpowered and something needs to be done with them like a chance based change.
Solid Wilko Finite Horizon	Posted - 2007.09.01 04:05:00 - [23] Maulus + Griffin Combos ftw tbh
Victoria Ehr Twisted Attitude Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.09.01 06:35:00 - [24] Most of those fights were quite amusing, especially the Drake vs Caracal showdown towards the end, I think that was with chaos. Anyways I can't wait for more! Former Caldari Naval officer: Do not compete to win; compete to Own!
Captian Internet	Posted - 2007.09.01 06:36:00 - [25] Edited by: Captian Internet on 01/09/2007 06:36:20 Originally by: Erlik Draknor I agree with the op. Damps are overpowered and something needs to be done with them like a chance based change. Dice rolls suck CCP better add a 4 leaf clover rig if they want to keep adding dice rolls. Local Thread 107-b
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.09.01 06:40:00 - [26] Damps are teh pwn so leave them alone.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.

Valorem Amarr Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.09.01 06:49:00 - [27] Moved from General Discussion forum rules \| CAOD Rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website

TZeer BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.09.01 09:50:00 - [28] Umm, kinda funny that you say damps are the suxors, but when the drakes had counters the carcals went pop... Just becasue you dont want to use dont mean its not a counter
Evil Pookie BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.09.01 10:02:00 - [29] Originally by: MellaRinn Edited by: MellaRinn on 01/09/2007 02:12:03 @ OP: and their counter - FOFs... so much for the gankiness suggested by the tourney rule notes ;/ low DPS and low skillpoints in F.O.F skill (don't tell me poeple max those up on them caracals and drakes on their mains...) :/ Well actually, some of us do have fof 5 on our mains....
Arshes Nei Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.09.01 10:08:00 - [30] Damps have a base optimal range of 30km(and some silly falloff), wasnt there a fight with two arty muninns who completly slaughtered a damp heavy enemy before they ever got into damp range? Seems like damps are easy enough to counter, the question is wether the coutner makes your setup unviable vs nondamp setups.
Aramendel Amarr Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.09.01 11:21:00 - [31] "silly" falloff is good. After skills they have an optimal of 45k and a falloff of 90k. This makes them still rather effective for up to 100k. With rigs they can be equally efficient at 150k as ECM.
Gragnor Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.01 12:10:00 - [32] All of the fights have been illuminating. The caracal slaughter where ships instapopped was amazing, as was Goonies close range fight. BoB was very impressive but relied on a more balanced fleet. What is most interesting is how lethal ecm/sensor damping cruisers are against battleship fleets. While this tournament is not way representative of true PvP, it does highlight that sensor dampening is the new ECM issue. Personally, I think a nerf is on the cards, but whether it becomes chance based is another thing. Perhaps, a nerf in the form of balancing sensor boosting against sensor dampening may be reasonable but we shall see.
Ayari Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium	Posted - 2007.09.01 13:38:00 - [33] In real PvP, damps are not as effective because engagement ranges vary considerably, all you need to do is get in close and pop the damping ships. Dampers seem unbalanced in the tournament because contestants can't warp off, and the damping team gets to pick engagement range. Add to this the fact that tackle is unneccesary and it automatically plays to a Caracal's strengths, which in real PvP are easy to counter by closing range or warping off and back.
sartorii Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.06 01:15:00 - [34] Originally by: Evil Pookie Originally by: MellaRinn Edited by: MellaRinn on 01/09/2007 02:12:03 @ OP: and their counter - FOFs... so much for the gankiness suggested by the tourney rule notes ;/ low DPS and low skillpoints in F.O.F skill (don't tell me poeple max those up on them caracals and drakes on their mains...) :/ Well actually, some of us do have fof 5 on our mains.... QFT. FoF never leave home without them *"disconnect and self destruct one mullet at at time" [sic]*
Big Pick Caldari Task Force Ranger	Posted - 2007.09.06 01:22:00 - [35] I want FOFs to have my babies.
DJTheBaron Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.06 01:33:00 - [36] I think you forgot the 3rd tournament was also a damp shagfest, biased towards gallente in fight for that very reason, so the onyl fair way is to allow all or nothing, personally i feel the rules are the best they could be, despite my personal distaste for ewar. that and the best named damps now cost 15m alongside arb heavies due to the intense missle spam ___________________ "The Views & Opinions Expressed In This Post Represent Those of My Corporation & Alliance. So Go ** Yourself" DJTheBaron: FATAL Alliance Diplomat**
Ohne Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.09.06 05:10:00 - [37] fof¦s are useless..
Derrios Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.09.06 06:23:00 - [38] fact: damps were allowed in previous tourneys. thanks come again. ----------------------------------------------- I got something to put in you. at the *** bar.
Caya Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.06 09:21:00 - [39] Originally by: Derrios fact: damps were allowed in previous tourneys. thanks come again. cough cough its the starting distance that makes the difference cough cough

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