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Vivian Azure
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Posted - 2007.09.01 00:34:00 -
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To begin with, yes I'm an Alt, so what? My Leaders don't allow me to post in these forums with my main-character. 
Today was such a day again, when we engaged a gang with equal numbers and same sized ships. We wanted to get a fun fight.
Then someone drops a cyno, and voila, 3 Carriers appear to beat our gang of 9 ships (Ceptor up to BS).
This happens alot these days and it ruins the fun of small-gang-sized PvP 
My suggestion would be, that Capitals are ment for POS-Warefare, only!
Take away their ability to target anything smaller then a Capital ship or POSs and get rid of this crap with assigning Fighters to someone else.
I'm sick of this, really.
Flame away, but I'll not listen to unconstructive posts 
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sov68n
Caldari
RABBLE-RABBLE
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.09.01 00:40:00 -
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Edited by: sov68n on 01/09/2007 00:39:58
carriers are meant to carry fighters and kill things with them. didn't you even consider thats why they were called carriers?
carriers are fine. just because you can't bring carriers to bear on your enemy doesn't mean they should get nerfed. and if this nerf of yours was enacted then carriers would be utterly useless.
adapt to the carriers or keep getting owned. dont beg for a nerf.
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La Hafiz
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2007.09.01 00:43:00 -
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I have to agree with the above poster. Carriers have a role and they fit it quite well. Everyone's goal when they are fighting is to survive, no matter the cost. It just happened that they had greater assets then you. Shame that it happens when you're on the receiving end, though.
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Grytok
German Kings
OPUS Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.01 00:44:00 -
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Edited by: Grytok on 01/09/2007 00:45:00
Edited by: Grytok on 01/09/2007 00:43:56
Carriers are support-ships.
They can do their intended job very well, by dishing out damage with their Fighters, killing Dreads or POS-Modules.
Also they can Remote-Boost, -Repair their own Caps.
So how exactly they get taken away their intended role?
I like the suggestion.
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Vivian Azure
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Posted - 2007.09.01 00:48:00 -
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 Originally by: La Hafiz
I have to agree with the above poster. Carriers have a role and they fit it quite well. Everyone's goal when they are fighting is to survive, no matter the cost. It just happened that they had greater assets then you. Shame that it happens when you're on the receiving end, though.
Has nothing to do with assets. We could've brought double or triple their amount of Carriers, but thats not what I call fun fights.
And like Grytok said: Carriers would still fulfill their intended role.
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La Hafiz
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2007.09.01 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Vivian Azure
Originally by: La Hafiz
I have to agree with the above poster. Carriers have a role and they fit it quite well. Everyone's goal when they are fighting is to survive, no matter the cost. It just happened that they had greater assets then you. Shame that it happens when you're on the receiving end, though.
Has nothing to do with assets. We could've brought double or triple their amount of Carriers, but thats not what I call fun fights.
And like Grytok said: Carriers would still fulfill their intended role.
I understand your want to have a fun fight, but the most important thing about Eve-Online is that it's not an equal playing field. The best part about Eve is that everything and everyone plays in such a diverse way. For you to complain about them using a valid tactic, even when you could have done the same, is just whining in the highest order about them not complying to your wishes in playing style.
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Vivian Azure
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Posted - 2007.09.01 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: La Hafiz
Originally by: Vivian Azure
Originally by: La Hafiz
I have to agree with the above poster. Carriers have a role and they fit it quite well. Everyone's goal when they are fighting is to survive, no matter the cost. It just happened that they had greater assets then you. Shame that it happens when you're on the receiving end, though.
Has nothing to do with assets. We could've brought double or triple their amount of Carriers, but thats not what I call fun fights.
And like Grytok said: Carriers would still fulfill their intended role.
I understand your want to have a fun fight, but the most important thing about Eve-Online is that it's not an equal playing field. The best part about Eve is that everything and everyone plays in such a diverse way. For you to complain about them using a valid tactic, even when you could have done the same, is just whining in the highest order about them not complying to your wishes in playing style.
Ah, c'mon.
I don't wanna fly around with Capitals all the time, as shooting POSs evry week is getting boring as hell and then you've to deal with this crap.
Gimme a break
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Gaius Fulgrim
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.09.01 00:59:00 -
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Above poster put it in a nutshell, a whine and nothing but.
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Kita Radeon
Gallente
Hakata Group
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Posted - 2007.09.01 01:12:00 -
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Edited by: Kita Radeon on 01/09/2007 01:12:57
Originally by: Grytok
Edited by: Grytok on 01/09/2007 00:45:00
Edited by: Grytok on 01/09/2007 00:43:56
Carriers are support-ships.
Exactly... supporing their own. Be it through remote reps or fighters. Taking away the carriers ability to assign fighers, and not target anything but other caps makes the fighers nigh useless. If this nerf really happened then the only tactical use of a carrier is to rep another cap... which isnt what a carrier should do (look up 'carrier'). Carriers are already mostly used for jumping stuff from empire... this would just make things worse.. :( sorry, not trying to flame. I understand what you mean, iv been ripped up by caps too. But Thats part of the game. Anyways whats next? Nerf suicide pirating in jita? Its just part of the game.
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Burned Acid
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Posted - 2007.09.01 01:52:00 -
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Worst idea ever.
(And I dont think it does happen that much really. I go hunting in small gangs all the time, we have only had to deal with 1 carrier, and he was hugging a station!)
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Seven Six
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Posted - 2007.09.01 03:10:00 -
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I hope you are all familiar with Arnold Schwartzenegger quotes... cause all I gotta say is (in my best Arnold voice)
STOP WHINING!
You're just another of the many people who cry over a game. GUESS WHAT, if you see some tard starting a cyno GUESS WHO YOUR PRIMARY IS?? It takes time ot set up a cyno and its usually a crap ship, learn to pick your threats properly.
Otherwise just remember its a game, frigates lose to cruisers, should we not allow cruiser to target frigates?? DO YOU KNOW HOW SLOW CARRIERS ARE TO TARGET?? SSSSSUUPPPEERRR slow, so hell just warp out.
Anyways, nuf said.
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Kobushi
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Posted - 2007.09.01 03:33:00 -
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Carriers are fine that's not the ship that got a problem. The Ibis really needs a major nerfing, it allows too much noobs to join the game OMFG!!! 1337!!! HAXX0R!!! PWNAGE!!! N00B!!! 
Hey it's like in real life there are always people higher then you on the foodchain. If you know you can't fight there is only one option left: flight, not nerfing
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Arthur Frayn
Veterans Of Liberation
The Makhai
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Posted - 2007.09.01 05:15:00 -
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Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 01/09/2007 05:16:45
Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 01/09/2007 05:16:13
Originally by: Vivian Azure
To begin with, yes I'm an Alt, so what? My Leaders don't allow me to post in these forums with my main-character.
No wonder your leaders won't let you post with your main. They don't want to bring shame on their corp/alliance by letting everyone know they have a whining baby in their ranks.
But I can sympathise, because I do know what it's like. I used to throw tantrums too when my parents wouldn't buy me the flashy toys that all my preschool friends had.
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2007.09.01 05:22:00 -
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Originally by: Vivian Azure
Flame away, but I'll not listen to unconstructive posts
... Sure. I agree with the OP on this point. *ignores topic*
Improve Market Competition!
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sov68n
Caldari
RABBLE-RABBLE
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.09.01 14:01:00 -
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if carriers were nerfed 0.0 fleet combat would suck. and i find it funny that you think carrier should be restricted to POS warfare, where they do absolutely nothing. That's what Dreadnoughts are for. If (as you claim) have the assets to bring carriers on your enemy, DO IT, instead of whining about how you got owned by them and want them nerfed.
and i shall now also, /ignore topic
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.09.01 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Laboratus on 01/09/2007 15:54:35
If you are worried about drone based platforms (carriers) bring along an apoc with 8 smart bombs and blow em up...
Adapt or die, it's eve.
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Liam Fremen
Gallente
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
Deus .Ex. Machina
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Posted - 2007.09.01 16:11:00 -
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Mate, people LOVE to kill capital ships :)
Just find someone intrested on blowing up 3-4 carriers with a nice fleet, set up the trap on those people, when they jump in the carriers at gate or so just tackle them open a freaking cyno and get 3-4 nice carrier killmail from a 10-15 capital fleet of your friend.
They would not even ask you money for it, killing capials is the only fun when ya got 10 dreads and don't know what to do with them....
And by the way, there is only 1 thing related on cynoing capitals around:
Intelligence on your enemy.
If you have a good intelligence on what you enemy can do and can deploy everything goes fine, you will never be ****** up by a 10 capital fleet coming on your own 3 carrier gang, but if your intelligence is not good and you make the same trick 2-3-4-5 times beafore or leate someone will send ya some nice capitals for taking our your small fleet, this happens daily.
Just adapt :) carry a cyno around, and when someone cyno capitals ******* open a cyno too, VS random engagements @ gate sometime it works and the lone carriers get the hell out of there.
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sov68n
Caldari
RABBLE-RABBLE
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.09.01 17:29:00 -
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or when the carriers show up, cyno in 30000 titans and have them all DD, killing everything on grid including the titans and having a lag fest that causes the entire server to go offline for 2 hours.
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General Apocalypse
Amarr
The Merchant Marines
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Posted - 2007.09.01 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Vivian Azure
To begin with, yes I'm an Alt, so what? My Leaders don't allow me to post in these forums with my main-character.
Today was such a day again, when we engaged a gang with equal numbers and same sized ships. We wanted to get a fun fight.
Then someone drops a cyno, and voila, 3 Carriers appear to beat our gang of 9 ships (Ceptor up to BS).
This happens alot these days and it ruins the fun of small-gang-sized PvP
My suggestion would be, that Capitals are ment for POS-Warefare, only!
Take away their ability to target anything smaller then a Capital ship or POSs and get rid of this crap with assigning Fighters to someone else.
I'm sick of this, really.
Flame away, but I'll not listen to unconstructive posts
1. Your post is unconstructive and bias as well , instead of running 5 well fitted BSes coud have shreded the carriers . So if you know you're going in a place where capitals roam get some heavy guns .
2. Capitals are the stars of EVE , take years to train and blions to fit invest 1 B in a gang and wach them burrn . Now adapt or STFU
Originally by: CCP Morpheus
nerf ccp plz
Originally by: CCP Oveur
To the gankmobile!
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General Apocalypse
Amarr
The Merchant Marines
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Posted - 2007.09.01 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: sov68n
or when the carriers show up, cyno in 30000 titans and have them all DD, killing everything on grid including the titans and having a lag fest that causes the entire server to go offline for 2 hours.
 dude nice post and nice corp name .
Originally by: CCP Morpheus
nerf ccp plz
Originally by: CCP Oveur
To the gankmobile!
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sov68n
Caldari
RABBLE-RABBLE
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.09.01 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: General Apocalypse
Originally by: sov68n
or when the carriers show up, cyno in 30000 titans and have them all DD, killing everything on grid including the titans and having a lag fest that causes the entire server to go offline for 2 hours.
dude nice post and nice corp name .
=)
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Bendit
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Posted - 2007.09.01 17:57:00 -
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Quote:
Ah, c'mon.
I don't wanna fly around with Capitals all the time, as shooting POSs evry week is getting boring as hell and then you've to deal with this crap.
Gimme a break
Hahahaha....ok
You dontr want ot fly around in capitals, so in your head none should do it either... Great logic there
And since shooting POS are booring, thats why they might bring carriers to the fight.
Grow up, if you cant compete dont try. PPV and all that is fun, but in the end it`s about winning. And anyone who dont use any ingame tactic/ship/module to get a upperhand are just shooting themself in the foot.
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Pharos Dei
Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2007.09.01 18:11:00 -
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i have to agree with the OP
even though most people on these forums are carrier lovers.
the fact of the matter is capitals ( and i mean standard carriers) are WAY too common, they are like becomming eves battleships of 2004.
Pretty much everytime you dare engaging even a medium sized gang (outnumbered on your end by 2:1 atlesat) some ****** does drop a cyno, 2 cariers jump in and there is no fight at all... great isnt it?
Now i do undertand what carriers are meant to be, but they need atleast their assign fighters to intalocking crow crap removed, its just ruining the game for everyone trying to have nice fight.
Yes i know you can kill the fighters, but most of the time thats not feasible or possible due to your gang being outnumbered atleast 2:1, and killing a carrier (which is only worth 1-2 billion fully fitted) is only possible if you bring a 30+ blob or drop a few of your own cariers on him... which is just lame (at best).
Carriers should have teir targeting time reduced to some 10% of their former strenght (introduce some kind of beacon system for gang member for remote reps) so they cant be sitting at a station in 0.0 and try to lame you when you undock, and remove the assign fighters thing completelly
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ReePeR McAllem
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2007.09.01 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: sov68n
or when the carriers show up, cyno in 30000 titans and have them all DD, killing everything on grid including the titans and having a lag fest that causes the entire server to go offline for 2 hours.
Sounds like a party, can bob be the first to try this out? 
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sov68n
Caldari
RABBLE-RABBLE
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.09.01 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: ReePeR McAllem
Originally by: sov68n
or when the carriers show up, cyno in 30000 titans and have them all DD, killing everything on grid including the titans and having a lag fest that causes the entire server to go offline for 2 hours.
Sounds like a party, can bob be the first to try this out?
sure why not, it'd make me rather happy, and about 10,000 other EVE players
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Chi Quan
Jade Phoenix Deutschland
Event-Horizon
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Posted - 2007.09.01 18:40:00 -
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small gang engagement droping in carriers on a regular basis? you must be fighting MC than, yes it is very frustrating, just a hint, account sharing is against the eula and you can petition it.
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JitaTradeManager
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Posted - 2007.09.01 19:01:00 -
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Dont like it?.... play another game
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goodby4u
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.01 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Vivian Azure
To begin with, yes I'm an Alt, so what? My Leaders don't allow me to post in these forums with my main-character.
Today was such a day again, when we engaged a gang with equal numbers and same sized ships. We wanted to get a fun fight.
Then someone drops a cyno, and voila, 3 Carriers appear to beat our gang of 9 ships (Ceptor up to BS).
This happens alot these days and it ruins the fun of small-gang-sized PvP
My suggestion would be, that Capitals are ment for POS-Warefare, only!
Take away their ability to target anything smaller then a Capital ship or POSs and get rid of this crap with assigning Fighters to someone else.
I'm sick of this, really.
Flame away, but I'll not listen to unconstructive posts
The reason i dont agree with this is the price of capships...If they can field 3 of them they should be pretty pwnage,but at the same time must cry alot when they pop.
Get some jammers and damps on them and see how overpowered they are
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Laboratus
Gallente
BGG
League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.09.01 19:12:00 -
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Capitals are very good for eve pvp.
When your enemy has them they have the conkers to engage (usually) and when they are engaged you can lock them down, so they have to bring in more ppl or lose the ship. All in all, you get a lot more pvp, instead of the norm "won't engage without 2x superior numbers"...
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Hadean Drive Yards
Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2007.09.01 19:20:00 -
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Well the smallest gang i have seen take out a carrier was in a Damiage video, when him and 8 others killed a newting thanotos, however it did run everyone out of ammo.
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