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LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.09.01 22:38:00 - [31] Edited by: LUKEC on 01/09/2007 22:38:36 Originally by: fightnkill Edited by: fightnkill on 01/09/2007 18:55:31 Not really an epic kill (5th/6th MS kill)? as well, defenceless SuperCap. Seems like the only way BoB and Co. can kill a Supercap is when it's completely defenceless. Defenseless = as soon as you fit mothership with same crap most people fit on their throwaway battleships... (+ there wasn't any bob involved) Imo one of the best kills ever(sitting at cloaked ms waiting for gang 4tw) -------- I tanked D2 capital fleet and all I got was truncated Erebus mail.
Kaar Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.09.01 23:02:00 - [32] Fraps?!?! --- ---
Hei'di D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.01 23:39:00 - [33] gz! well executed...
General Windypops Gallente Skullduggery Inc	Posted - 2007.09.02 00:36:00 - [34] Originally by: hangnoose Originally by: Ur235 Lmao well done Razor I guess thats the biggest embarasment if ever you could have one It was a personal ms, razor it self had nothing to do with it. His mess up and his alone. What the.... are you serious? I know you guys do things differently up north, but surely this is a joke post? Let me get this straight. Was it a Mothership - Yes. Was it a Razor Mothership - yes. Was it killed - yes. Please tell me you're joking here. If not, where do you draw the line? Are the poses you lose 'personal' poses therefore 'nothing to do' with Razor? Or dreads? Are they personal too? There's two ways of looking at this. Either you excuse away any loss your alliance has by claiming it was just one pilot's property - which is just laughable. Or you just choose to leave any alliance mate who gets in trouble to fend for themselves and abandon them. Which is despicable. I had a fair bit of respect for Razor. Just because you're siding with the Goons doesn't mean you have to lobotomize yourself in the process.
Velios M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.09.02 00:46:00 - [35] If a corp mate of mine manages to save up for a mothership on his own, M.Corp is privileged to have him in the corp, and his asset will be defended by the whole corp - to the last man. Even though a personal asset - that mothership will be defended as one of the corps own. I feel sorry for the RZR mom pilot if that is the reaction he is getting from his alliance members. So what, RZR stats took a hit - no need to disown the guy and isolate him for an honest mistake. I'd help that guy build another HEL and get a second bite at the cherry if he were in M.Corp. M.Corp Capital Blueprint Facility
Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated	Posted - 2007.09.02 00:49:00 - [36] Originally by: Velios If a corp mate of mine manages to save up for a mothership on his own, M.Corp is privileged to have him in the corp, and his asset will be defended by the whole corp - to the last man. Even though a personal asset - that mothership will be defended as one of the corps own. I feel sorry for the RZR mom pilot if that is the reaction he is getting from his alliance members. So what, RZR stats took a hit - no need to disown the guy and isolate him for an honest mistake. I'd help that guy build another HEL and get a second bite at the cherry if he were in M.Corp. 99+% of Razor never even knew this MS existed until after it died, since he bought and moved it pretty much without anyone's knowledge. It is fairly hard to defend things you don't know are there and it is also fairly hard to feel particularly much responsibility for them.
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.09.02 00:51:00 - [37] Originally by: General Windypops What the.... are you serious? I know you guys do things differently up north, but surely this is a joke post? Let me get this straight. Was it a Mothership - Yes. Was it a Razor Mothership - yes. Was it killed - yes. I think what he is trying to say to all the people who are desperately smacking Razor over this loss, is that the pilot bought that MS for his private purposes, did not participate in any Razor ops with it (check the killboard) and screwed up all by himself in a situation where Razor was unable to help him (or even somewhat understandably, unwilling). They should probably kick him for it, but you can't really blame the alliance for some of their pilots being both stupid and not teamplayers ... isn't it funny how some people advocate both GTC<=>ISK trades and EVE being superior due to its cruelty and costly losses, when they use the former to circumvent the latter?
Velios M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.09.02 00:52:00 - [38] But we were told that the guy only just got the ship, and was fitting it for the first time?
Pinpisa Jormao	Posted - 2007.09.02 02:03:00 - [39] Edited by: Pinpisa Jormao on 02/09/2007 02:06:12 Edited by: Pinpisa Jormao on 02/09/2007 02:05:29 You happen to work for the company that makes FRAPS by any chance or sponsor the eve-files bandwidth? Or why is that you had to put up a 400 MB video that has ~1 minute of content and made anyone who downloaded it install that software to see it...? I'd ban you from further uploading if I were running that host. Even the quality sucked for that size of download. edit: Communication has 2 c's. Or m's. I'm not sure, can the op help me?
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.09.02 02:11:00 - [40] Props to the MS pilot for "bringing it". Oh wait...
Saul Reaver UK Corp FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.02 04:18:00 - [41] Edited by: Saul Reaver on 02/09/2007 04:20:41 Grats guys! well Done! Full credit to our Cov Ops pilot/s not just on this kill but throughout the conflict between the northern alliances they have been a credit too whoever they fly with. And Retsej i'm sorry about your loss. I hope you get back on your feet soon to "Bring it" once again.
mr bighelmet EnTech Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.09.02 05:09:00 - [42] Originally by: Lazuran Originally by: General Windypops What the.... are you serious? I know you guys do things differently up north, but surely this is a joke post? Let me get this straight. Was it a Mothership - Yes. Was it a Razor Mothership - yes. Was it killed - yes. I think what he is trying to say to all the people who are desperately smacking Razor over this loss, is that the pilot bought that MS for his private purposes, did not participate in any Razor ops with it (check the killboard) and screwed up all by himself in a situation where Razor was unable to help him (or even somewhat understandably, unwilling). They should probably kick him for it, but you can't really blame the alliance for some of their pilots being both stupid and not teamplayers ... The guy only had the ship for less then a day, didn't have time to be in OP If i post something smart it represent my corp and alliance all other posts are my feeling/ideas only and do not represnt the rest
Jinnigan Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.09.02 06:46:00 - [43] Originally by: Velios If a corp mate of mine manages to save up for a mothership on his own, M.Corp is privileged to have him in the corp, and his asset will be defended by the whole corp - to the last man. Even though a personal asset - that mothership will be defended as one of the corps own. I feel sorry for the RZR mom pilot if that is the reaction he is getting from his alliance members. So what, RZR stats took a hit - no need to disown the guy and isolate him for an honest mistake. I'd help that guy build another HEL and get a second bite at the cherry if he were in M.Corp. A GoonFleet newbie recently spent $1000 of his parent's money (without their permission or knowledge) to buy a carrier-capable pilot, along with a carrier. That carrier was blown up through player stupidity. Would M.Corp be honored and privileged to have this man?
Central Scrutinizer RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.02 07:31:00 - [44] Originally by: Shirei Originally by: Velios If a corp mate of mine manages to save up for a mothership on his own, M.Corp is privileged to have him in the corp, and his asset will be defended by the whole corp - to the last man. Even though a personal asset - that mothership will be defended as one of the corps own. I feel sorry for the RZR mom pilot if that is the reaction he is getting from his alliance members. So what, RZR stats took a hit - no need to disown the guy and isolate him for an honest mistake. I'd help that guy build another HEL and get a second bite at the cherry if he were in M.Corp. 99+% of Razor never even knew this MS existed until after it died, since he bought and moved it pretty much without anyone's knowledge. It is fairly hard to defend things you don't know are there and it is also fairly hard to feel particularly much responsibility for them.
Juliette Red Jags Corp	Posted - 2007.09.02 07:34:00 - [45] Originally by: Jinnigan A GoonFleet newbie recently spent $1000 of his parent's money (without their permission or knowledge) to buy a carrier-capable pilot, along with a carrier. That carrier was blown up through player stupidity. Would M.Corp be honored and privileged to have this man? Apart from wondering why he was breaking the EULA I would pish myself laughing at him for being such a***. Then boot him for being an ebaying **
Heptameron Gallente Seven.	Posted - 2007.09.02 07:48:00 - [46] wow... and there was me thinking this was a game. Weird how the least amount of bullturd is coming from his own corp and the most from his alliance 'mates'.
General Windypops Gallente Skullduggery Inc	Posted - 2007.09.02 07:53:00 - [47] Originally by: Shirei Originally by: Velios If a corp mate of mine manages to save up for a mothership on his own, M.Corp is privileged to have him in the corp, and his asset will be defended by the whole corp - to the last man. Even though a personal asset - that mothership will be defended as one of the corps own. I feel sorry for the RZR mom pilot if that is the reaction he is getting from his alliance members. So what, RZR stats took a hit - no need to disown the guy and isolate him for an honest mistake. I'd help that guy build another HEL and get a second bite at the cherry if he were in M.Corp. 99+% of Razor never even knew this MS existed until after it died, since he bought and moved it pretty much without anyone's knowledge. It is fairly hard to defend things you don't know are there and it is also fairly hard to feel particularly much responsibility for them. I think you're missing the point. It's not that Razor did't defend the actual ship as it was going down - if a player is daft enough to move it solo like that, he deserves what he gets. It's the way his allies have disowned the kill and claimed that it's got nothing to do with them. What ever happened to loyalty and sticking by your alliance mates?
Kaleeb S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E. Insurgency	Posted - 2007.09.02 08:01:00 - [48] Originally by: Velios If a corp mate of mine manages to save up for a mothership on his own, M.Corp is privileged to have him in the corp, and his asset will be defended by the whole corp - to the last man. Even though a personal asset - that mothership will be defended as one of the corps own. I feel sorry for the RZR mom pilot if that is the reaction he is getting from his alliance members. So what, RZR stats took a hit - no need to disown the guy and isolate him for an honest mistake. I'd help that guy build another HEL and get a second bite at the cherry if he were in M.Corp. Heh clever post Vel
Glassback M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.09.02 08:53:00 - [49] Originally by: Jinnigan A GoonFleet newbie recently spent $1000 of his parent's money (without their permission or knowledge) to buy a carrier-capable pilot, along with a carrier. That carrier was blown up through player stupidity. Kinda sums the goons up. G. If Eve was just a game, it would have a pause button.
Rafaello Cruel Gallente Rave Technologies Inc. Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.09.02 10:00:00 - [50] Edited by: Rafaello Cruel on 02/09/2007 10:01:47 Originally by: Central Scrutinizer 99+% of Razor never even knew this MS existed until after it died, since he bought and moved it pretty much without anyone's knowledge. It is fairly hard to defend things you don't know are there and it is also fairly hard to feel particularly much responsibility for them. what you sugesting ? we are not killed razor ms becouse you dont know about his presence ? or we dont killed razor ms becouse that was private ship ? 100% people in my aliance dont know about my ships and fits on that ships - that means that kills dont count ? wrong... true is that ship was killed - that pilot was from razor.. oposite to situation when you camping in low sec with another ms... yes... you killed my shutle by that lowsec ms - but my corp and aliance dos not know about my shutle - that shutle was private.. but you anyway published that km... what that means ? dont write like lamers.. you are a good pilots lets fight more respect for rest od razor pilots ------------------------------------- best regards Rafaello Cruel
Maj'k Lootar Trinity Corp	Posted - 2007.09.02 10:31:00 - [51] Originally by: Glassback Originally by: Jinnigan A GoonFleet newbie recently spent $1000 of his parent's money (without their permission or knowledge) to buy a carrier-capable pilot, along with a carrier. That carrier was blown up through player stupidity. Kinda sums the goons up. G. Oh the irony.
Gods Coldblood Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.02 11:36:00 - [52] Congrats on the kill guys I still find it hard to believe that people in ship's like mothers and titans log off so carlessly.. Too all the Aliances involed may the best team win What in the blue hell are u talking about?
Kaar Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.09.02 11:57:00 - [53] Originally by: Gods Coldblood Congrats on the kill guys I still find it hard to believe that people in ship's like mothers and titans log off so carlessly.. Too all the Aliances involed may the best team win He didnt log. --- ---
V0rador Amarr Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.02 12:24:00 - [54] Gratz for the kill. Some guys got too much money .
Gods Coldblood Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.02 12:33:00 - [55] Originally by: Kaar Originally by: Gods Coldblood Congrats on the kill guys I still find it hard to believe that people in ship's like mothers and titans log off so carlessly.. Too all the Aliances involed may the best team win He didnt log. Thats will teach me to read the post 1st then post rofl What in the blue hell are u talking about?
Bombcrater DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.02 13:18:00 - [56] Originally by: Rafaello Cruel what you sugesting ? we are not killed razor ms becouse you dont know about his presence ? or we dont killed razor ms becouse that was private ship ? Nobody is saying that. You guys did exactly what you are supposed to do - kill the enemy at every possible opportunity. But some people are trying to make out that this loss is a failure by RZR as a whole, when it really isn't. Other than 2 or 3 people nobody even knew that Hel existed. Didn't know it was in S-E, didn't have the chance to try and defend it, didn't have the chance to point out to the pilot he was making a ton of stupid decisions. I'd have been a lot more concerned if the MS had died in combat, but that would have been a real failure. This is just an overdose of secrecy and one guy who found out the hard way he isn't much of a supercap pilot.
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.02 13:55:00 - [57] Originally by: Kaleeb Originally by: Velios If a corp mate of mine manages to save up for a mothership on his own, M.Corp is privileged to have him in the corp, and his asset will be defended by the whole corp - to the last man. Even though a personal asset - that mothership will be defended as one of the corps own. I feel sorry for the RZR mom pilot if that is the reaction he is getting from his alliance members. So what, RZR stats took a hit - no need to disown the guy and isolate him for an honest mistake. I'd help that guy build another HEL and get a second bite at the cherry if he were in M.Corp. Heh clever post Vel And very bad logic. Personal MS with full corp help etc is USELESS. Because they are usually too scared to engage with em in normal combat (fear of losing ship). It ends up as show toy or lowsec camper (hi D2, where were your moms when you needed em? Taisy?)
General Windypops Gallente Skullduggery Inc	Posted - 2007.09.02 16:25:00 - [58] With friends like Razor who needs enemies? Lose a ship and your alliance mates disown you. That's got to be great for morale... Impressive solidarity, Razor.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.02 16:50:00 - [59] Originally by: Heptameron Weird how the least amount of bullturd is coming from his own corp and the most from his alliance 'mates'. Let it be known you threw the first stone :)
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.02 17:03:00 - [60] Originally by: General Windypops With friends like Razor who needs enemies? Lose a ship and your alliance mates disown you. That's got to be great for morale... Impressive solidarity, Razor. Nobody has disowned Retsej, he's gotten alot of stick for ******* up for sure and people in RZR never even knew he had a ms before it died. Then again we've lost a freighter and a machariel in silly circumstanses the last 5 days and they've gotten a similar treatment that all stupid losses get in rzr. Any loss by a pilot flying RZR colours will be seen as a RZR loss so I'm perfectly fine with us just taking the blow head on even if we had nothing to do with it . We're moving on already.

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