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illusionary beauty Raid Industries	Posted - 2007.09.01 18:49:00 - [1] Seems like there have been a couple matches where people field and Abaddon and dont bring any webifiers. How stupid do you have to be to field a BS with turrets and not bring a Webifier? A BS can nearly instapop most cruisers with 0 transversal.
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.09.01 18:52:00 - [2] The Abaddon is likely tracking disrupted to hell. Check the bonuses on Arbitrators sometime
illusionary beauty Raid Industries	Posted - 2007.09.01 18:55:00 - [3] Originally by: Ishina Fel The Abaddon is likely tracking disrupted to hell. Check the bonuses on Arbitrators sometime That doesnt matter if the target isnt moving. And btw if i were playing in the tourny i would use damps on the Arbitrators and not tracking disrupters since Damps are ftw and there is a lot of caldari.
doctorstupid2 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.09.01 18:59:00 - [4] Originally by: illusionary beauty Originally by: Ishina Fel The Abaddon is likely tracking disrupted to hell. Check the bonuses on Arbitrators sometime That doesnt matter if the target isnt moving. And btw if i were playing in the tourny i would use damps on the Arbitrators and not tracking disrupters since Damps are ftw and there is a lot of caldari. Not entirely true, two tracking disruptors with cruiser 5 and turret destabilization 5 give your target about 6% its original tracking. You don't have to be moving fast to out-track a large turret being assaulted by well skilled disruptors. Steel Rat > if they only knew we make this **** up as we go
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.09.01 19:01:00 - [5] Optimal range is also a consideration, if you're forced to fire into falloff all the time you'll get lots of misses even against perfectly still, huge targets.
illusionary beauty Raid Industries	Posted - 2007.09.01 19:05:00 - [6] Originally by: Ishina Fel Optimal range is also a consideration, if you're forced to fire into falloff all the time you'll get lots of misses even against perfectly still, huge targets. 2 tracking disrupters stillonly knocks an abaddons range to 12km with Megapulse and Scorch. and 6% of its original tracking sounds rather low. try 20% left of its original. .6 + .6x.4 = .84
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.09.01 19:06:00 - [7] "If I was playing in the tourney...." I always love statements that start, "If I was..." Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
illusionary beauty Raid Industries	Posted - 2007.09.01 19:09:00 - [8] Originally by: An Anarchyyt "If I was playing in the tourney...." I always love statements that start, "If I was..." I got screwed outta playing in the tournament btw thank you stfu and i wouldve slaughtered that vexor team in my abaddon.
Sleepkevert Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.01 19:10:00 - [9] Originally by: illusionary beauty Originally by: Ishina Fel The Abaddon is likely tracking disrupted to hell. Check the bonuses on Arbitrators sometime That doesnt matter if the target isnt moving. And btw if i were playing in the tourny i would use damps on the Arbitrators and not tracking disrupters since Damps are ftw and there is a lot of caldari. FAIL! tracking disruptors also effect optimal range, so. it won't be able to hit anything.. Sign my sig
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.09.01 19:12:00 - [10] Originally by: illusionary beauty Originally by: An Anarchyyt "If I was playing in the tourney...." I always love statements that start, "If I was..." I got screwed outta playing in the tournament btw thank you stfu and i wouldve slaughtered that vexor team in my abaddon. Please, post more acronyms. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
doctorstupid2 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.09.01 19:14:00 - [11] Edited by: doctorstupid2 on 01/09/2007 19:16:24 Originally by: illusionary beauty Originally by: Ishina Fel Optimal range is also a consideration, if you're forced to fire into falloff all the time you'll get lots of misses even against perfectly still, huge targets. 2 tracking disrupters stillonly knocks an abaddons range to 12km with Megapulse and Scorch. and 6% of its original tracking sounds rather low. try 20% left of its original. .6 + .6x.4 = .84 Balmer/T2 tracking disruptor base range/tracking multipler is 0.54, with cruiser 5 it's 0.425, with turret destabilization 5 it's 0.28125 (someone double check my math, i believe that's correct but can't be bothered to check, it's either that or .30375). Disruptor number 1 is unstacked, disruptor number two is ~86.9% effective, making it 0.37540625, give or take a few hundred thousandths of a percent. So two disruptors are ~10.6% tracking and range, not 6%. which will leave an abaddon with mega pulse II's and sharpshooter V 3.2km optimal range with standard crystals, and tracking analagous to a dreadnought in siege mode. If the disruptor figure above is actually .30375x unstacked, then the abaddon is closer to 3.5km optimal range. Either way, it's unhappy. Tracking disruptors are very under-rated Steel Rat > if they only knew we make this **** up as we go
Xeios Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.09.01 19:18:00 - [12] Originally by: illusionary beauty Originally by: An Anarchyyt "If I was playing in the tourney...." I always love statements that start, "If I was..." I got screwed outta playing in the tournament btw thank you stfu and i wouldve slaughtered that vexor team in my abaddon. Ofcourse you would deary. Just incase you arent feeling silly enough already, id also like to remind you how easily an experienced pvper will stay outside of webrange of an abaddon.
illusionary beauty Raid Industries	Posted - 2007.09.01 19:22:00 - [13] Originally by: Xeios Ofcourse you would deary. Just incase you arent feeling silly enough already, id also like to remind you how easily an experienced pvper will stay outside of webrange of an abaddon. If you actually watch the Axe match you will see that the Abaddon comes within web range of most of the cruisers at one point, but he obviously had no web and no sense of how tracking actually works.
Ishina Fel Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.09.01 19:26:00 - [14] Originally by: doctorstupid2 Balmer/T2 tracking disruptor base range/tracking multipler is 0.54, with cruiser 5 it's 0.425, with turret destabilization 5 it's 0.28125 (someone double check my math, i believe that's correct but can't be bothered to check, it's either that or .30375). Disruptor number 1 is unstacked, disruptor number two is ~86.9% effective, making it 0.37540625, give or take a few hundred thousandths of a percent. So two disruptors are ~10.6% tracking and range, not 6%. which will leave an abaddon with mega pulse II's and sharpshooter V 3.2km optimal range with standard crystals, and tracking analagous to a dreadnought in siege mode. If the disruptor figure above is actually .30375x unstacked, then the abaddon is closer to 3.5km optimal range. Either way, it's unhappy. Tracking disruptors are very under-rated Exactly. And they need only /one/ arbitrator for that, the rest can fit damps.
doctorstupid2 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.09.01 19:27:00 - [15] Originally by: illusionary beauty Originally by: Xeios Ofcourse you would deary. Just incase you arent feeling silly enough already, id also like to remind you how easily an experienced pvper will stay outside of webrange of an abaddon. If you actually watch the Axe match you will see that the Abaddon comes within web range of most of the cruisers at one point, but he obviously had no web and no sense of how tracking actually works. That was to keep inside the lock range of the dampened-logistics. he knows how tracking works, he just didn't have any. In that match the axe team faced a very effective counter, was very well-played by the other team and there wasn't much axe could do but try to not lose everything. Steel Rat > if they only knew we make this **** up as we go
Xeios Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.09.01 19:31:00 - [16] Originally by: illusionary beauty Originally by: Xeios Ofcourse you would deary. Just incase you arent feeling silly enough already, id also like to remind you how easily an experienced pvper will stay outside of webrange of an abaddon. If you actually watch the Axe match you will see that the Abaddon comes within web range of most of the cruisers at one point, but he obviously had no web and no sense of how tracking actually works. No, u miss my point, i know they can work but in a controlled pvp setting you could easily come to the conclusion that the midslot can be better used. From a personal point of view in this situation id either have my own damps, a second cap injector or sensor boosters.
illusionary beauty Raid Industries	Posted - 2007.09.01 19:35:00 - [17] Edited by: illusionary beauty on 01/09/2007 19:36:18 Originally by: Xeios Originally by: illusionary beauty Originally by: Xeios Ofcourse you would deary. Just incase you arent feeling silly enough already, id also like to remind you how easily an experienced pvper will stay outside of webrange of an abaddon. If you actually watch the Axe match you will see that the Abaddon comes within web range of most of the cruisers at one point, but he obviously had no web and no sense of how tracking actually works. No, u miss my point, i know they can work but in a controlled pvp setting you could easily come to the conclusion that the midslot can be better used. From a personal point of view in this situation id either have my own damps, a second cap injector or sensor boosters. Even so with how most matches have gone so far each tema has several cruisers or many frigs. Fielding a high damage turret BS will only work well if it can hit. ISS had a great match with their setup.Id imagine they wouldve beaten the mass drone cruisers with their setup rather easily.
mallina Caldari Sybrite Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.01 19:36:00 - [18] Megapulse don't have THAT much trouble tracking cruisers at 20km+, at one point even the Abaddon was shooting at the Myrm but missed all shots - TD(s) were almost certainly used in this match.
illusionary beauty Raid Industries	Posted - 2007.09.01 19:37:00 - [19] Edited by: illusionary beauty on 01/09/2007 19:37:42 Originally by: mallina Megapulse don't have THAT much trouble tracking cruisers at 20km+, at one point even the Abaddon was shooting at the Myrm but missed all shots - TD(s) were almost certainly used in this match. I dont doubt that, but a webifier wouldve allowed him to hit the cruisers esp once he got in close which he did. Maybe they shouldve brought a huginn?
Xeios Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.09.01 19:50:00 - [20] Edited by: Xeios on 01/09/2007 19:51:37 I dont think they could have done it, they either were unlucky in their fielded setup or their opponents knew what was being fielded and countered it.
KILLOR Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.09.01 20:42:00 - [21] Originally by: illusionary beauty Originally by: Xeios Ofcourse you would deary. Just incase you arent feeling silly enough already, id also like to remind you how easily an experienced pvper will stay outside of webrange of an abaddon. If you actually watch the Axe match you will see that the Abaddon comes within web range of most of the cruisers at one point, but he obviously had no web and no sense of how tracking actually works. O RLY?
Revan Halendon Minmatar Nebula Rasa Logistics Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2007.09.01 20:53:00 - [22] Originally by: illusionary beauty I got screwed outta playing in the tournament btw thank you stfu and i wouldve slaughtered that vexor team in my abaddon. I shouldn't feed the troll, but... Dude, with the tracking disruption we had, you wouldn't hit a station if you tried.
KILLOR Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.09.01 21:03:00 - [23] Edited by: KILLOR on 01/09/2007 21:03:22 Originally by: Revan Halendon Originally by: illusionary beauty I got screwed outta playing in the tournament btw thank you stfu and i wouldve slaughtered that vexor team in my abaddon. I shouldn't feed the troll, but... Dude, with the tracking disruption we had, you wouldn't hit a station if you tried. I almost got you guys a couple times early on by switching targets faster than your reps, but you had good coordination. By the end, with all the TD's on me, I was fighting entirely in falloff. Edit: How many of your drones did we kill? One of our Maulus pilots claimed ten by himself.
Revan Halendon Minmatar Nebula Rasa Logistics Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2007.09.01 21:45:00 - [24] Edited by: Revan Halendon on 01/09/2007 21:46:31 Edited by: Revan Halendon on 01/09/2007 21:46:16 Originally by: KILLOR Edited by: KILLOR on 01/09/2007 21:03:22 I almost got you guys a couple times early on by switching targets faster than your reps, but you had good coordination. By the end, with all the TD's on me, I was fighting entirely in falloff. Edit: How many of your drones did we kill? One of our Maulus pilots claimed ten by himself. No idea, tbh. I didn't lose any of mine, but I remember the guys saying you were going after our drones. P.S.: The station jab was aimed at uber boy up there. Since you guys actually know what you're doing, it's normal that you were getting hits.
Leumas Ebmocnud Nebula Rasa Logistics Nebula Rasa	Posted - 2007.09.02 00:02:00 - [25] Originally by: KILLOR Edited by: KILLOR on 01/09/2007 21:03:22 Originally by: Revan Halendon Originally by: illusionary beauty I got screwed outta playing in the tournament btw thank you stfu and i wouldve slaughtered that vexor team in my abaddon. I shouldn't feed the troll, but... Dude, with the tracking disruption we had, you wouldn't hit a station if you tried. I almost got you guys a couple times early on by switching targets faster than your reps, but you had good coordination. By the end, with all the TD's on me, I was fighting entirely in falloff. Edit: How many of your drones did we kill? One of our Maulus pilots claimed ten by himself. Not sure how many drones you popped, but 4 of mine were well into structure :) And to be honest with you, this is my sig.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.09.02 05:36:00 - [26] I lost none, not even taking damage on any. We'll have to ask around. Also Known As

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