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Masu'di
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Posted - 2007.09.02 20:45:00 -
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Edited by: Masu''di on 02/09/2007 20:46:38
This is an official statement from Hedonistic Imperative, to clarify the situation surrounding our match with Mercenary Coalition, and any misunderstandings there may be as a result. I believe the eve community has a right to know and see what our chatlogs showed.
Understandably some of our members are a little angry and dissapointed about the events regarding our fight against Mercenary Coalition, and have been asked not to vent this on the forums anymore. We would also like to apologies to EveTV, for destroying their luxury yacht, it was not them that made any referee decision, or were in communication with us about when the match should start. I hope you can understand the ammount of frustration and anger our pilots were under.
So here are the simple chatlogs from our gang and local, it's upto you to make your mind up. I have changed the GM names in order not to break any forum rules. If a moderator feels that this post is breaking any rules, please inform me so. Here is a chatlog from our gang while we were waiting in position at the battle arena 2 beacon. I should point out that our match was scheduled at 19:00 GMT.
[ 2007.09.02 18:54:47 ] GM A > REMEMBER: When you get to the arena, do not move around at all, you do so under threat of point penalties.
[ 2007.09.02 18:56:25 ] Khamiz > your station has a cool name
[ 2007.09.02 18:56:57 ] GM A > we brainstormed for 3 days to look for the perfect name
[ 2007.09.02 18:57:08 ] GM A > then had some administrative meetings
[ 2007.09.02 18:57:11 ] Khamiz > can i warp to it for a second after this please?
[ 2007.09.02 18:57:19 ] Khamiz > just to have a look
[ 2007.09.02 18:57:22 ] GM A > finally some went out for a smoke and settled on that
[ 2007.09.02 18:57:29 ] DamienUPB > nice
[ 2007.09.02 18:57:36 ] GM A > if your very very fast
[ 2007.09.02 18:57:42 ] Khamiz > ty :)
[ 2007.09.02 18:57:51 ] Ja'Anarria > what BS do i damP?
[ 2007.09.02 18:59:32 ] GM A > good luck guys, kill em all
[ 2007.09.02 18:59:50 ] Khamiz > do our best :)
Now we look at the local chat.
[ 2007.09.02 18:48:06 ] EVE System > Channel changed to RU-97T Local Channel
[ 2007.09.02 18:54:28 ] GM B > MC STOP MOVING
[ 2007.09.02 18:55:42 ] GM C > 5 Minutes left
[ 2007.09.02 18:57:21 ] GM C > 3 minutes left
[ 2007.09.02 18:58:11 ] GM C > 2 minutes
[ 2007.09.02 18:59:09 ] GM C > 1 minute
Going quickly back to gang chat, GM A sends us our good luck message.
[ 2007.09.02 18:59:32 ] GM A > good luck guys, kill em all
Meanwhile GM C starts a countdown in local. 21 seconds before our match is supposedly scheduled.
[ 2007.09.02 18:59:39 ] GM C > 30 seconds
[ 2007.09.02 18:59:45 ] MC Pilot A > is that until match start for us or match end for them?
I thought he was taunting us at the time, implying we were going to die very swiftly. He was probably a little confused too. No GM answered his question.
[ 2007.09.02 19:00:01 ] GM C > 10 seconds
[ 2007.09.02 19:00:03 ] GM C > 9
[ 2007.09.02 19:00:04 ] GM C > 8
[ 2007.09.02 19:00:05 ] GM C > 7
[ 2007.09.02 19:00:06 ] GM C > 6
[ 2007.09.02 19:00:07 ] GM C > 5
[ 2007.09.02 19:00:09 ] GM C > 4
[ 2007.09.02 19:00:09 ] GM C > 3
[ 2007.09.02 19:00:10 ] GM C > 2
[ 2007.09.02 19:00:12 ] GM C > 1
[ 2007.09.02 19:00:14 ] GM C > STOP!
I first thought it was a joke, or something had gone wrong. 9 out of 10 pilots held fire. One pilot sent two volleys of cruise missile before he realised to stop. So a little later the result appears in local,
[ 2007.09.02 19:08:22 ] GM C > Hedonistic Imperative forfeit the match for starting the fight early
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Posted - 2007.09.02 20:48:00 -
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there was no official decision to attack a camera man, this happened some minutes after we had been informed of the GM decision.
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Posted - 2007.09.02 20:57:00 -
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Edited by: Masu''di on 02/09/2007 20:58:45
 Originally by: Patch86
[ 2007.09.02 18:55:42 ] GM C > 5 Minutes left
[ 2007.09.02 18:57:21 ] GM C > 3 minutes left
[ 2007.09.02 19:00:09 ] GM C > 3
[ 2007.09.02 19:00:10 ] GM C > 2
[ 2007.09.02 19:00:12 ] GM C > 1
[ 2007.09.02 19:00:14 ] GM C > STOP!
These here are your clues that he wasn't telling you to start fighting. I'm sorry you guys made a mistake or that there was a misunderstanding, but dear lord take it like adults.
You made a mistake in internet spaceships (and it was your pilot's mistake, not anyone elses), laugh it off and move on.
or 5 minutes left before our match started, it is very easy to look at it both ways. we were not aware that there was another match going on. perhaps we should have been informed there would be a short delay?
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Posted - 2007.09.03 00:25:00 -
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Edited by: Masu''di on 03/09/2007 00:27:17
Originally by: Eamz
I think there should be a rematch. I could have easily made the mistake of firing as the pressure at the beginning would be great. Getting off a volley before being damped could be the difference between winning and losing and was most likely the reason the pilot had such itchy fingers. No GM reply and confirmed confusion on both sides, definitely should be a rematch.
I would love to have a rematch, but unfortunately I don't think we will get one. CCP I doubt would find a slot for us, and I don't think Mercenary Coalition would want one either. They were very quick in local to call us disqualified. A shame all round, I think it would have been a great fight.
MC had 3 Ravens and 6 Maulus, we had a Phoon, Apoc, 7 Stealth Bombers and a Maulus. We were roughly about 60kms apart, which was perfect for us. With a stealth bomber on each Maulus and with their better locking times, it would have been a close fight. The FoFs from the Ravens would have been our main worry, because the Mauluses would likely have been cleared within about 15 seconds.
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Posted - 2007.09.03 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kirenna Zhon
First off I doubt any of us has a clue how easy it is for the Devs to spawn a ship. Maybe it is a simple press of a button...maybe it takes something more. I have no idea. But more than the ship are all its fittings.
After the decision had been made, we were asked to warp off, it did look like just before this the GMs fixed the Maulus that had been popped. I definitely remember the pod and wreck dissapearing about the same time. I'm not 100% sure though, and only a GM could answer if that was the case.
In local a GM also stated a little earlier, "do not touch the wreck". I assume was referring to our arena rather than to someone in the other arena.
I'd be a lot happier if the GMs made a statement and rethink how they can co-ordinate the two matches a bit better. Perhaps stating which arena exactly when they are talking in local. We had no idea that there was another fight going on at the time, and we were due to fight exactly when the count down started.
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Posted - 2007.09.03 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: Masu''di on 03/09/2007 15:04:27
Originally by: Dagam
I think his point was that if "rules are rules" for some, "rules are rules" for MC. At least MC got to play their match (and win anyway). Other teams just got disqualified.
Yep clearly it was a mistake allround from the GMs and from HI, it would have taken little effort to fix that ship, or even convo the team captains to ask what happened. For MC it was fairly obvious that they could see why someone had mistakenly started firing and I like to think that their team captain would not have objected to a restart.
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Posted - 2007.09.03 17:44:00 -
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Today GM Nova announced we have been disqualified from the tournament. Yeh we do think it was heavy handed, and I think a lot of people can see that too, some people not, that's fine. But we not going to flog a dead horse over this. The decision is final, and is time to move on. Maybe see you next year, maybe not, we will see.
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