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Keenon
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Posted - 2004.02.10 07:39:00 -
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Ok let me start of by saying this, iv flown pretty much all the bs's in this game exept for the gal side (no skill in that).
Now if u go to some1 and ask them what the best pvp ship out there is, ull get about 80% of them saying Scorp.
Now from my observations, the scorp is a great ew ship, but thats where it ends, because the ship doesnt have any firepower.
With only 4 turret slots u cant kill another tanked bs(ever), unless the other pilot is a nub.
Now talking about an Arma, if u ask any1 what good an arma is for ull get- mining, npc farming, pvp suport ship.
Now i got an Arma a while back mostly for farming-i find mining too boring, anyway since im a pirate i tryed the arma in that field too.
I found that if u like gate camping in 0.1-0.4 space the arma is the best ship for it. Now on my arma i dont use lasers(dont like them) i use 1400mm . Using on arma for caming, u can fit 7 1400mm on it for maximum dm, while in a scorp ull be hard presed to fit 4.
Iv used the arma as a tanking ship too, and iv fought a scorp, lol alot of diff scorps with diff setups, and i havent lost yet.
now this is my setup(tanking0 for the Arma:
H-4-1400mm 2-720mms(med) 2-smartbombs(meds)
M-1 XL c5-l booster 1-em ward 1-ther ward
L-1-1600 plates 1-large armour repair 4-cap relays 2- cpu enhancers(u can take the 1600 plates and the armour reapir and put 2 more cap relays)
Now with this setup u cant be killed by a scorp in a 1v1 fight. The scorp can Tj, damper u but he cant kill u, and if we cant well he loses.
Now ill explain lets say that the scorp had 4 launchers with (torps, cruise) which ever doesnt matter, now most often u will be Tj now, what u do is activate 1 of your smartbomb and wait until the blast starts to recede and activate the second one (both on autorepeat), and trust me u can keep them runing until next week, anyway what happens is this, ull have a countinues explosion around u all the time and those missile will get blown up too.
Iv used this tactic b4 and form 100 cruise the scorp launched on me, something like 12 actually damaged me. Anything that actually damage u will be healed by your booster. So using the setup u can stand and wach a scorp waste ammo on u.
Now lest say he uses turrets(lasers are out of the question because his cap wont last).Anyway lest say 1400mms or rails or blasters, here comes the prob with the scorp, it doesnt have the necesary firepower to kill u, i can keep the booster runing for 4 mins with my cap going at 30%, this is with it going continuesly(autorepeat).
Now if he uses the 1400mms(well i get a dm per gun avages 300) now it all depends the ammos hes using, the most powerfull are EMP and Plasma. But since u have the em and ther wards most of the dm will be deflected, so we'll say 150-200 per shot. And if he got 2 proj mods, which i dont think he would,(he'll need the space for cap relays) anyway he will get the ROF to 12secs (maybe) now that about 800dm per 12sec , where u can heal the dm in half that time.
Using the others (rails or blasters) since they eat cap, he'll run out of cap fast using them and the ew mods.
Lol sry for the long read, but i kinda got a little iritated from seeing alot of posts about what a great ship the scorp is and that the only option was to run from it (if u are in an armar bs).
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Steini OFSI
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Posted - 2004.02.10 08:06:00 -
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Won't argue with you on witch is better, but it seems to me you your Armageddon setup is only for killing scorpions. Now meet a gallente with blasters orbitting you close, I'd say you got a problem at your hands. Diversity is the key, the fact you got your ship fitted to kill a scorpion doesn't mean its better (actually just pointing that out rather than making a statement here).
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.02.10 08:10:00 -
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With 4 1400mm and 2 720mm you will never kill another battleship either.
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Loka
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Posted - 2004.02.10 08:17:00 -
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Sounds good, but last i recognized i couldnt kill torpedos and i think either cruise missiles with my medium Smartbomb (120dmg). So it wont work, unless you are using large SB. And they eat cap like nothing else.
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Keenon
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Posted - 2004.02.10 08:19:00 -
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Edited by: Keenon on 10/02/2004 08:24:21
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Won't argue with you on witch is better, but it seems to me you your Armageddon setup is only for killing scorpions. Now meet a gallente with blasters orbitting you close, I'd say you got a problem at your hands. Diversity is the key, the fact you got your ship fitted to kill a scorpion doesn't mean its better (actually just pointing that out rather than making a statement here).
i agree with u 100%-lol any ship that had a mega with blasters orbiting him close would be in big trouble(unless they could jamm it). You see the arma is a long range hitter, the trick is not to let the mega get close.
Also Dalman with 4 1400mms and 2 720mms u can kill an untanked ship easily.
the point was that no bs alone can kill a tanked ship, well let me rephrse that (the ship that wins is the one that has the most cap.
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Keenon
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Posted - 2004.02.10 08:21:00 -
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Edited by: Keenon on 10/02/2004 08:29:43
Edited by: Keenon on 10/02/2004 08:28:46
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Sounds good, but last i recognized i couldnt kill torpedos and i think either cruise missiles with my medium Smartbomb (120dmg). So it wont work, unless you are using large SB. And they eat cap like nothing else.
try again m8-ull be surprised, i had a friend in a raven try all his launchers on me-using the 2 smarbombs setup -from 200 missiles only about 20hit
You see the range of the med Sb is 4kms if u time the smarbombs right u will have them going of one after this other-makeing it look like a sb going all the time.
i think that if u use only 1 sb u could fire it too late or too early and miss the missiles, thats y it seems not to work. you have to use 2, try it
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John McCreedy
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Posted - 2004.02.10 08:29:00 -
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From what I've seen and tested on Chaos, I'd say you're not looking at the whole situation:
Tanked Scorp Vs Your Arma setup = Stalemate. He won't be able to kill you due to lack of firepower but neither will you be able to kill him.
EW Scorp Vs Your Arma setup = You loose simply by not being able to fire, not being able to escape and Scorpy's mate comming and taking out your Arma for him 
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Keenon
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Posted - 2004.02.10 08:32:00 -
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From what I've seen and tested on Chaos, I'd say you're not looking at the whole situation:
Tanked Scorp Vs Your Arma setup = Stalemate. He won't be able to kill you due to lack of firepower but neither will you be able to kill him.
EW Scorp Vs Your Arma setup = You loose simply by not being able to fire, not being able to escape and Scorpy's mate comming and taking out your Arma for him
Lol me maybe i did specify it, but i was talking about a 1v1 scenarion , there would be no m8 comming to hlp the scorp
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Fausto
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Posted - 2004.02.10 08:40:00 -
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So what you are saying is that if scorp cant kill you you win? Can I remind you that scorp can pin you to the ground and get his pals in armas to break you like a twig. Only exit would be to log. One scorp can't kill you but 3 might
It's hard to kill any BS one on one even if the guy is complete n00b without skills becouse you would have to deal enough damage and pinn him by EW and protect yourself at the same time. When you tal about larger battles your setup is not good at all unless you have some serious EW support.
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.02.10 08:44:00 -
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Also Dalman with 4 1400mms and 2 720mms u can kill an untanked ship easily.
the point was that no bs alone can kill a tanked ship, well let me rephrse that (the ship that wins is the one that has the most cap.
Try convincing a megathron pilot that while he's dealing 800 damage/second to you.
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ElCoCo
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Posted - 2004.02.10 08:45:00 -
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The trouble with what you say is that there is no way you can destroy so many missiles, especialy if they`re cruise missiles that travel faster.
Believe me I`ve been hunting npc`s with a 3 med smartbomb setup for over a month now and only about 80% of the missiles can be destroyed (energy pulse at lvl4-8secs activation).
The autorepeat on the smartbombs gets very bad results from lag as well.
However it is still the best way to stop missiles from more than one person.
Again ANY ship can kill another ship of the same class if he knows what he`s likely to come up against, can`t deny that...
Oh and cap ofcourse always rulez.
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Keenon
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Posted - 2004.02.10 08:48:00 -
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Edited by: Keenon on 10/02/2004 09:01:01
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So what you are saying is that if scorp cant kill you you win? Can I remind you that scorp can pin you to the ground and get his pals in armas to break you like a twig. Only exit would be to log. One scorp can't kill you but 3 might
It's hard to kill any BS one on one even if the guy is complete n00b without skills becouse you would have to deal enough damage and pinn him by EW and protect yourself at the same time. When you tal about larger battles your setup is not good at all unless you have some serious EW support.
Why is it that every1 seems to bring the- well his pals will or he will bring his frineds or what ever.
I think I said at the begining that this was a 1v1 fight NO pals NO friends. Cause if this isnt a 1v1 fight im sure I have MY pals and MY friends there.
The point was that If some1 come here and says " i just got an arma what the best pvp setup" hes get some setups and then the (bomb) "if u see a scorp the only option is to run"
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Also Dalman with 4 1400mms and 2 720mms u can kill an untanked ship easily.
the point was that no bs alone can kill a tanked ship, well let me rephrse that (the ship that wins is the one that has the most cap.
Try convincing a megathron pilot that while he's dealing 800 damage/second to you.
nice ill say it again that mega will hit a beatufull 0dm per sencond if he isnt 20km and under from u. so unless he warps what close to u, aor he has an mwd(prob not) all u have to do is move in the oposite direction and he wont get in range- while u can shoot him at your leasure
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i]Believe me I`ve been hunting npc`s with a 3 med smartbomb setup for over a month now and only about 80% of the missiles can be destroyed (energy pulse at lvl4-8secs activation).[/i]
ya but that means that if he shoots 100missiles at u only 20will hit , and those 20 arent all at once the are 1 every 10 prob, so i still made my point
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Wicke
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Posted - 2004.02.10 09:33:00 -
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The megat will have a mwd if he's using blasters. thats the whole point of blasters, ya gotta be close...
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Keenon
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Posted - 2004.02.10 09:36:00 -
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Edited by: Keenon on 10/02/2004 09:37:48
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The megat will have a mwd if he's using blasters. thats the whole point of blasters, ya gotta be close...
good point(never knew that) havent fought a mega b4, ill need to think of a setup against it, also the arma isnt my only bs. so i can use another ship 4 the mega.
but anyway this thread was about an arma vs a scorp, dont know where the mega came from anyway
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Steini OFSI
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Posted - 2004.02.10 09:38:00 -
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nice ill say it again that mega will hit a beatufull 0dm per sencond if he isnt 20km and under from u. so unless he warps what close to u, aor he has an mwd(prob not) all u have to do is move in the oposite direction and he wont get in range- while u can shoot him at your leasure
If I were going 1 on 1 with a blaster fitted mega, there would be no chance in hell I didn't have an mwd, better yet make them 2 and fit those god damn cap boosters to me (hoping that they will use less cargo), now I have my no shiled low cap mega, you sit 60 km from me and I'm there and you'll most likely only get 3 hits, but my speed will make tracking BAAAD. Anyway those low slots are a fine thing for 2-3 1600 mm and some energized armor hardeners ^^ and though it isn't needed I would LOVE to put some magnetic vortex to those low slots, just to see those 300+ hit every time I blast for those 10 seconds my armor has to hold, and it will
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Steini OFSI
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Posted - 2004.02.10 09:39:00 -
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Oh and I get your point about not having to runb away everytime you see a scorp
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.02.10 09:43:00 -
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Best tactic against a mega if you're solo:
STAY AWAY FROM THE GOD-DAMN BLASTERS.
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Keenon
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Posted - 2004.02.10 09:52:00 -
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Edited by: Keenon on 10/02/2004 09:54:42
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Best tactic against a mega if you're solo:
STAY AWAY FROM THE GOD-DAMN BLASTERS.
lol the thread is called Armageddon vs Scorpion, im sure it is not Armageddon vs Megathron
and ya a mega could give some trouble to a arma fited like mine but a scorp which my arma can hold well- that same scorp will eat that mega for dinner
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Merc4
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Posted - 2004.02.10 16:43:00 -
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Lets see, you are gate camping, so therefore have a good distance from the gate.. Im in my Scorp, with 6 sensor Dampners.. Hmm, With the exception of your first strike, I dont think you will be hitting my ship anytime soon... Of course my 2 425 rail guns and 4 missles slots fitted with cruise -emp and torpedos will do some damage to you..
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Zarthan
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Posted - 2004.02.10 18:47:00 -
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Scorpion if properly setup can and will own that arma setup, keyword is that the scorpion has more then a cargo bay .
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Keenon
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Posted - 2004.02.10 19:18:00 -
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Edited by: Keenon on 10/02/2004 19:36:08
Edited by: Keenon on 10/02/2004 19:34:33
Edited by: Keenon on 10/02/2004 19:23:29
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Lets see, you are gate camping, so therefore have a good distance from the gate.. Im in my Scorp, with 6 sensor Dampners.. Hmm, With the exception of your first strike, I dont think you will be hitting my ship anytime soon... Of course my 2 425 rail guns and 4 missles slots fitted with cruise -emp and torpedos will do some damage to you..
eerr did u read my thread- the really long one
and can u pls show me that scorp where u can fit 2 guns AND 4 launchers
From this comment i can prob say that uv never flown a scorp and posted here so u would sound important. Now u see a scorp might have 6 high slots but only 4 can be used as turrets or launchers.
pls in the future make sure u ask some1 about the amout of guns they can fit on the scorp b4 u come here and make a fool out of yourself.
the point was not cant i shoot u, the points was that u can shoot me untill tomoroz without doing any dm
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Scorpion if properly setup can and will own that arma setup, keyword is that the scorpion has more then a cargo bay .
Now i explaind how that wont happen, can u pls tell how this scorp will do this.
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Grut
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Posted - 2004.02.10 22:54:00 -
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Edited by: Grut on 10/02/2004 22:56:42
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eerr did u read my thread- the really long one
and can u pls show me that scorp where u can fit 2 guns AND 4 launchers
From this comment i can prob say that uv never flown a scorp and posted here so u would sound important. Now u see a scorp might have 6 high slots but only 4 can be used as turrets or launchers.
pls in the future make sure u ask some1 about the amout of guns they can fit on the scorp b4 u come here and make a fool out of yourself.
 a scorps got 6 highs, it can fit upto 4 guns and/or upto 4 launchers ie 4 guns 2 launchers, 4 launchers 2 guns
i know this 'cause thats the rig ive been using for the last few months, my corpmates use 'em, the corps we fight hell everyone uses 'em
Please tell me you missed the /sarcasm if not end thy self or atleast stick to flying frigates till you've got the brainpower to fly anything bigger
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Posted - 2004.02.11 05:20:00 -
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Edited by: Keenon on 10/02/2004 19:36:08
Edited by: Keenon on 10/02/2004 19:34:33
Edited by: Keenon on 10/02/2004 19:23:29
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Lets see, you are gate camping, so therefore have a good distance from the gate.. Im in my Scorp, with 6 sensor Dampners.. Hmm, With the exception of your first strike, I dont think you will be hitting my ship anytime soon... Of course my 2 425 rail guns and 4 missles slots fitted with cruise -emp and torpedos will do some damage to you..
eerr did u read my thread- the really long one
and can u pls show me that scorp where u can fit 2 guns AND 4 launchers
From this comment i can prob say that uv never flown a scorp and posted here so u would sound important. Now u see a scorp might have 6 high slots but only 4 can be used as turrets or launchers.
pls in the future make sure u ask some1 about the amout of guns they can fit on the scorp b4 u come here and make a fool out of yourself.
the point was not cant i shoot u, the points was that u can shoot me untill tomoroz without doing any dm
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Scorpion if properly setup can and will own that arma setup, keyword is that the scorpion has more then a cargo bay .
Now i explaind how that wont happen, can u pls tell how this scorp will do this.
wow umm ok you've never flown one. A scorpion has the capability of 6 high slots. it has 4 turret hard poitns and 4 missel hard points...soooooo. You can either fit 2 turrets and 4 launchers or 2 launchers and 4 turrets.
also the thing i was speaking of is the drone bay.
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Posted - 2004.02.11 05:34:00 -
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"wow umm ok you've never flown one. A scorpion has the capability of 6 high slots. it has 4 turret hard poitns and 4 missel hard points...soooooo. You can either fit 2 turrets and 4 launchers or 2 launchers and 4 turrets."
... Or, if you just want to be different, you can fit 3 turrets and 3 launchers. -.^
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.11 05:41:00 -
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"wow umm ok you've never flown one. A scorpion has the capability of 6 high slots. it has 4 turret hard poitns and 4 missel hard points...soooooo. You can either fit 2 turrets and 4 launchers or 2 launchers and 4 turrets."
... Or, if you just want to be different, you can fit 3 turrets and 3 launchers. -.^
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Keenon
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Posted - 2004.02.11 06:53:00 -
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Edited by: Keenon on 11/02/2004 07:35:13
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[wow umm ok you've never flown one. A scorpion has the capability of 6 high slots. it has 4 turret hard poitns and 4 missel hard points...soooooo. You can either fit 2 turrets and 4 launchers or 2 launchers and 4 turrets.
also the thing i was speaking of is the drone bay.
sry if i offended any1 with my comment about the turrets on the scorp -ya iv never flown one-skipd to the raven.
the point is that the arma had a very large drone bay too-
im more of a (firepowr) bs pilot - i know the scorp has great ew capabilitis but on the firepower it sux
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2004.02.11 07:08:00 -
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Original poster is right about his setup, FOR WHAT HE USES IT FOR. That's very important thing to note here.
He said .1-.4 You guys talking bout damping etc... will get ganked by sentries. (Not spose to work like that, but 50 50 shot u will get attacked by sentries for returning fire)
If you turn it towards him he will have a good amount of time to fire on you. MWD or not.
If you get to 30k he can just warp out.
That being said... I don't think you could kill a bship with this setup, 1v1 in a gate camping situation unless he's an idiot. As you are not going to do enough dmg while he/she covers 12k and jumps.
Good cruiser/indy ganking setup tho I imagine.
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Roba
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Posted - 2004.02.11 07:09:00 -
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he is right about the med smart bomb screen.
On a typhoon i create a screen of 4 med sb that can stop a ravens torps for 5 minutes if needed.
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Keenon
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Posted - 2004.02.11 07:33:00 -
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That being said... I don't think you could kill a bship with this setup, 1v1 in a gate camping situation unless he's an idiot. As you are not going to do enough dmg while he/she covers 12k and jumps.
Good cruiser/indy ganking setup tho I imagine.
u would be surprised at how manny bs's have actually returned fire-at the gate(they cant jump then 4 1min)
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Posted - 2004.02.11 14:40:00 -
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Keenon, i would like to test my scorpion setup. If you care to send me a EVE-mail we could test both our setups until one of us reachs 50% armor. tks
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