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DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.09.03 23:09:00 - [1] Edited by: DubanFP on 03/09/2007 23:11:55 Besides their willingness to create a harsh, do anything world. More then the world they've created. What sets CCP apart is that they're not afraid to give out technical explainations for what goes wrong in their game. They're they're not afraid to give out several pages of in depth statistics, with graphs, that give an intellectual report on the state of the EVE economy. All the other companies I've played games from have tended to humor their clients & keep them in the dark on the true nature of the game "behind the scenes". CCP is willing to say "This is what happened, this is what's happening, and this is what we're going to do about it". THANK YOU for actually thinking that we "your clients" have the brains to think about this stuff. ___________ Desolacer> Who the heck gives YOU the right to ruin it for others buy blowing them up. Zaqar> CCP
Jenna Shame	Posted - 2007.09.03 23:14:00 - [2] Shame they are nerfing and listening to whines as if they were Verant these days. Saddly for me, I've found CCP to become pretty much like any gaming company, at some point I think they stopped worrying about a great game, but just raw subscription numbers. Such is the curse of WoW I guess on the industry.
Jonathos	Posted - 2007.09.03 23:18:00 - [3] One of a kind group, totally agree.
Grez Minmatar Sybrite Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.03 23:39:00 - [4] Originally by: Jenna Shame Shame they are nerfing and listening to whines as if they were Verant these days. Saddly for me, I've found CCP to become pretty much like any gaming company, at some point I think they stopped worrying about a great game, but just raw subscription numbers. Such is the curse of WoW I guess on the industry. lol @ you, who knows nothing. ---
Nathomos Minmatar Magellan Exploration and Survey Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.03 23:43:00 - [5] Originally by: Jenna Shame Shame they are nerfing and listening to whines as if they were Verant these days. Saddly for me, I've found CCP to become pretty much like any gaming company, at some point I think they stopped worrying about a great game, but just raw subscription numbers. Such is the curse of WoW I guess on the industry. Yeah you can tell by the way they consistently update their game with quality content and keep the players updated regularly on the ins and outs of everything that goes on.
Ikki Phoenix Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.09.04 00:48:00 - [6] I would have to agree. Even though there is a subscription and sometimes I have problems paying for it, I am always coming back for more. I only know of two other games/gaming companies that are as acute on the community as CCP: Acclaim Games Inc and the Americas Army devs
tartrus Galactech Industries Ltd. Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.04 00:52:00 - [7] yeah i would hav to agree, not to many other game were teh dev's mingle with the game population "HEY! Lee were is that t2 duct tape mate my vaga's in hull"
Revy Valentine	Posted - 2007.09.04 01:08:00 - [8] Originally by: tartrus yeah i would hav to agree, not to many other game were teh dev's mingle with the game population Huh, you must not play alot of games. Pretty much every other MMO, or hell just a comp game has dev/GM/ whatever. Quite active on games anf forums, all and all, i think CCP is quite mediocre. Easily some of the worst support i've ever seen. Maybe only second to AOL.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.04 01:11:00 - [9] the gsc forums have the devs flaming players as often as I do Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve-Forums: Quote: Smacking my own alt in a nerf-thread while drunk, he was irritating a Hauler full of tech II n00bs, Oops.
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.09.04 01:11:00 - [10] Originally by: Revy Valentine Originally by: tartrus yeah i would hav to agree, not to many other game were teh dev's mingle with the game population Huh, you must not play alot of games. Pretty much every other MMO, or hell just a comp game has dev/GM/ whatever. Quite active on games anf forums, all and all, i think CCP is quite mediocre. Easily some of the worst support i've ever seen. Maybe only second to AOL. yawn Come back when other MMO companies provide something on the scale of the alliance pvp tourny. When they take players views onboard and even allow player ideas to make it live on the server like khanid MKII. CCP may make mistakes but they sure as hell still care about the userbase.
Igualmentedos	Posted - 2007.09.04 01:45:00 - [11] Originally by: MITSUK0 Originally by: Revy Valentine Originally by: tartrus yeah i would hav to agree, not to many other game were teh dev's mingle with the game population Huh, you must not play alot of games. Pretty much every other MMO, or hell just a comp game has dev/GM/ whatever. Quite active on games anf forums, all and all, i think CCP is quite mediocre. Easily some of the worst support i've ever seen. Maybe only second to AOL. yawn Come back when other MMO companies provide something on the scale of the alliance pvp tourny. When they take players views onboard and even allow player ideas to make it live on the server like khanid MKII. CCP may make mistakes but they sure as hell still care about the userbase. NCsoft, at least in regards to the tourny thing. IMO ncsoft is a much better and way more talented game developer.
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2007.09.04 05:26:00 - [12] Originally by: MITSUK0 CCP may make mistakes but they sure as hell still care about the userbase. If by userbase, you mean the 20 something percent that frequent the forum, or the ingame alliance population that enjoy ccp spending big on them every year, then yes... the vocal crowd are id imagine.... fact is though, the majority don't post on the forum, the majority get nothing in terms of rewards/events from ccp these days. Global server events like the old ones would be nice (colosus/jove event), ones that involved everybody.... ccp spending their programing and financial resources on everybody, not just creating ingame items for a stale pvp tourney involving about a 10th of their subscibers, not just spending their resources on heavy bandwith streams and flying their friends over for a weekend jolly. Until ccp stops cattering soley to the marginal section of the playerbase that they are intune with, ill disagree with everything said about ccp embracing their playerbase... they don't anymore the way they once did.... Also on a related note, they listen, they answer... sorry but anything contentious is met with apathy, or the wall of silence... re timecodes for isk ect..... My views, id imagine there would be those that disagree, but realy, im dead right about the events and such... ______
Jenna Shame	Posted - 2007.09.04 05:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Nathomos Originally by: Jenna Shame Shame they are nerfing and listening to whines as if they were Verant these days. Saddly for me, I've found CCP to become pretty much like any gaming company, at some point I think they stopped worrying about a great game, but just raw subscription numbers. Such is the curse of WoW I guess on the industry. Yeah you can tell by the way they consistently update their game with quality content and keep the players updated regularly on the ins and outs of everything that goes on. Quality content? Name this quality content. Really they changed a few things with the UI, added a few features no one uses like heat, made a map we all hate, got rid of a scanner we all liked, put in a few new ships but quality content? What content? Contracts are content? Lag is content? Come on.
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.04 05:59:00 - [14] Originally by: Jenna Shame Shame they are nerfing and listening to whines as if they were Verant these days. Saddly for me, I've found CCP to become pretty much like any gaming company, at some point I think they stopped worrying about a great game, but just raw subscription numbers. Such is the curse of WoW I guess on the industry. To put it succinctly as possible to get through the filters in tact: "Whatta load of bovine scatology". Post with your main you trollin' noob. CCP for all its faults, is doing exactly what the OP is praising them for. Ubuntu 3d Beryl-Linux Desktop+EVE
galadran Caldari Alcohol Fueled Brutality O X I D E	Posted - 2007.09.04 06:03:00 - [15] CCP > SOE CCP > Blizzard CCP > Ncsoft CCP > Turbine CCP > Life
SiJira	Posted - 2007.09.04 11:08:00 - [16] Originally by: galadran CCP > SOE CCP > Blizzard CCP > Ncsoft CCP > Turbine CCP > Life lets follow your train of thought CCP < death ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
Mickey Mouse Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.09.04 12:14:00 - [17] you would rather die than playing eve? may i have your stuff before you end yourself?
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.09.04 12:41:00 - [18] Originally by: SiJira lets follow your train of thought CCP < death You fail at logic again SiJira. CCP > Life > death is perfectly valid, and probably to be assumed. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.09.05 01:27:00 - [19] Originally by: Frug Originally by: SiJira lets follow your train of thought CCP < death You fail at logic again SiJira. CCP > Life > death is perfectly valid, and probably to be assumed. Yeah, I mean death mean lack of CCP. The trick is minimize your life to maximize your EVE, without death. ___________ Desolacer> Who the heck gives YOU the right to ruin it for others buy blowing them up. Zaqar> CCP
Igualmentedos	Posted - 2007.09.05 02:24:00 - [20] Originally by: galadran CCP > SOE CCP > Blizzard CCP > Ncsoft CCP > Turbine CCP > Life no, i believe it's Ncsoft > CCP
Nito Musashi	Posted - 2007.09.05 03:11:00 - [21] Edited by: Nito Musashi on 05/09/2007 03:11:11 Their lag time for petitions can take anywhere from 12 to 40 hours or more for serious in game issues. I played vanguard soh for a bit and unless you had a mod on speeddial or friends that is about the same could take days to get a response if you got bugged. Nevermind that ccp has 10x to 20x the players on one server so they have alot to wade through vs most mmos where they have 2000 to 5000 on a single server. One thing impressed me way way back when i did my noob trial account was one of the mods contacted me near the end of my 2 week trial asking how i was getting along, did i understand the game mechanics anything i was having problems with, did i play any other mmos and what i thought of eve, etc. Its little things like that a simple convo that lasted 20 minutes that really impressed me, that real or fake they cared about what i thought about the game. Just like amazon when they first started their customer relations would email you constantly asking how was the service did you recieve your book on time, i once ordered a 60 dollar art book that when it did not arrive on time they sent me a 2nd copy express mail, a week later i got the first book and sent it back to them. Now amazon customer communications suck lol and their shipping is horrible but still those early days make me appreciate the company and do alot of business with them over the years. Of course as customers grow and a company grows the customer service quickly declines its typical no long is there that personal touch that really makes you feel appreciated as a customer, but when a company does it it can solidify a customer for years to come.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.09.05 05:19:00 - [22] Originally by: Nito Musashi Just like amazon when they first started their customer relations would email you constantly asking how was the service did you recieve your book on time, i once ordered a 60 dollar art book that when it did not arrive on time they sent me a 2nd copy express mail, a week later i got the first book and sent it back to them. Now amazon customer communications suck lol and their shipping is horrible but still those early days make me appreciate the company and do alot of business with them over the years. Of course as customers grow and a company grows the customer service quickly declines its typical no long is there that personal touch that really makes you feel appreciated as a customer, but when a company does it it can solidify a customer for years to come. Ah, the good old days. I ordered a DVD from Buy.com about 6 years ago that never arrived. I emailed them and a few days later got a new one, plus they removed the charge for the original, so it was free. Before that, they sent me a mouse pad just for being a loyal customer. You simply don't see that sort of service anymore. Very sad. PS - sorry for the hijack. I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
judes23 Kissaki Confederation Slammer's Republic	Posted - 2007.09.05 05:25:00 - [23] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 03/09/2007 23:11:55 CCP is willing to say "This is what happened, this is what's happening, and this is what we're going to do about it". THANK YOU for actually thinking that we "your clients" have the brains to think about this stuff. i agree with this, and with out EVE online, i dont know what i would do. probly play WoW hishs at that idea
Shanur Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.09.05 09:32:00 - [24] Originally by: Jenna Shame Shame they are nerfing and listening to whines as if they were Verant these days. Actually what happens is that the whiners focus attention on some imbalance (perceived or real). If it is a real imbalance, the posts cause more and more players to make use of it for their own benefit. Pretty soon it shows in the statistics as a serious anomaly. That's when CCP fixes the problem. They aren't knee jerking to whiners, they just fix the stuff that is actually out of whack. Unfortunately the whiners tend to do a great job of highlighting those things and change them from unnoticed glitches to major imbalances once everyone takes advantage of them.
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.09.05 10:07:00 - [25] Originally by: Galk If by userbase, you mean the 20 something percent that frequent the forum, or the ingame alliance population that enjoy ccp spending big on them every year, then yes... the vocal crowd are id imagine.... fact is though, the majority don't post on the forum, the majority get nothing in terms of rewards/events from ccp these days. Global server events like the old ones would be nice (colosus/jove event), ones that involved everybody.... ccp spending their programing and financial resources on everybody, not just creating ingame items for a stale pvp tourney involving about a 10th of their subscibers, not just spending their resources on heavy bandwith streams and flying their friends over for a weekend jolly. Until ccp stops cattering soley to the marginal section of the playerbase that they are intune with, ill disagree with everything said about ccp embracing their playerbase... they don't anymore the way they once did.... Also on a related note, they listen, they answer... sorry but anything contentious is met with apathy, or the wall of silence... re timecodes for isk ect..... My views, id imagine there would be those that disagree, but realy, im dead right about the events and such... Well i'm glad they aren't listening to the mayority of the players, look at what it did to WoW from world PvP to npc's giving DK's to 1 big honour grind in instances to getting phat epix with 6 games a week (which you don't even need to win..) I do agree CCP are sometimes a bit reluctant to properly respond to hot issues though, that being said CCP responding to issues is still more then a lot of other MMORPG companies can state. --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
SiJira	Posted - 2007.09.05 10:57:00 - [26] Originally by: Frug Originally by: SiJira lets follow your train of thought CCP < death You fail at logic again SiJira. CCP > Life > death is perfectly valid, and probably to be assumed. death > life fool ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
Ubitious Minmatar Dark-Rising	Posted - 2007.09.05 11:06:00 - [27] Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 03/09/2007 23:11:55What sets CCP apart is that they're not afraid to give out technical explainations for what goes wrong in their game. Hehe. That reminded me of the time the server crashed and someone from CCP posted something along the lines of "Server died, don't have a clue why." --- "Bring me a shrubbery!"

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