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Will Fireblade Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.09.04 13:42:00 - [1] Who agrees that CCP needs to balance the Sec status gain or penalty, when killing in low sec or rat hunting by either : a. Making sec status penalty for killing someone in low sec less b. Increase the Sec status gain when killing rats c. Change the Timer for gaining Sec Status Well there you go.
Izo Azlion Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.09.04 13:44:00 - [2] Being an Outlaw is a commitment, IMHO. While its tough to become "Neutral" again, it should, by no means, be like a switch. I feel it would be abused. However, 2 weeks straight ratting in 0.0 is depressing as all hell, so maybe they could introduce a bribing CONCORD feature, to raise sec. (ISK Sink) Just my 2 cents. Izo Azlion. ---
Will Fireblade Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.09.04 13:59:00 - [3] I agree with you but i think its too slow, a new feature or some other way to balance this would be good.
Captian Internet	Posted - 2007.09.04 14:00:00 - [4] 0.0 ratting is sucking my soul away Local Thread 107-b,War without a victor is a war without harsh enough penalties
Corwain Gallente Kamite	Posted - 2007.09.04 14:15:00 - [5] On the bright side once you've gone from -10 to 0 you've got enough ISK to buy a carrier, or a faction BS... -- A Solo Arbitrator vid, Distortion by Corwain
Will Fireblade Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.09.04 14:19:00 - [6] Originally by: Corwain On the bright side once you've gone from -10 to 0 you've got enough ISK to buy a carrier, or a faction BS... Actually you be lucky if you get a tier 3 BS out of this. What i basically do is wait for the timer. So i kill a rat go sit in station for 10-15 min and then i go kill again and again and again. Can you see how rotten this is?
Izo Azlion Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.09.04 14:21:00 - [7] Originally by: Will Fireblade Originally by: Corwain On the bright side once you've gone from -10 to 0 you've got enough ISK to buy a carrier, or a faction BS... Actually you be lucky if you get a tier 3 BS out of this. What i basically do is wait for the timer. So i kill a rat go sit in station for 10-15 min and then i go kill again and again and again. Can you see how rotten this is? Depends on your approach I suppose. When Veto. did it prior to turning Hi-sec Mercs, we barely made any money thanks to running round in massive blobs, blobbing the NPC's and doing the timers. :) Izo Azlion. ---
Corwain Gallente Kamite	Posted - 2007.09.04 14:22:00 - [8] I've been at it a week with my -10 char, got him under -5 now and made half a bil just in bounties, bout the same in loot (after refining) so...looks like you're doing it the lazy way. :-P If you really wanna be wierd like that do the whole jump to another system every 7min to halve your time. -- A Solo Arbitrator vid, Distortion by Corwain
B1G DAVE Veto.	Posted - 2007.09.04 14:29:00 - [9] When you're -10, why would you ever want to go back?! :D ___________________________________________ ✖ Our Home, Our Corp, Our VETO ✖ Contrary to popular belief, I do not have sexual relations with sheep!
Adsterine Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2007.09.04 14:30:00 - [10] correct me if im wrong but afaik that has been nerfed, u now have to grind the system until the sec increase takes effect, so killing 1 npc in a system will give u no sec at all, ;o)
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.09.04 14:42:00 - [11] I don't appreciate the low sec being analogue but the sec hits being digital. Pods always -12% is that right? Ship aggro -2% and kill -5% is that right? Surely a sliding scale based on system sec more appropriate, and sentry gun power sliding (maybe it already does). I'm no expert on low sec mechanics as you can tell, but I did notice it's very digital and there is little difference between 0.1 and 0.4. The sliding Concord response time in 0.5 - 1.0 is a blunt tool also but at least it is something. Coming back from -10.0 would appear to be extremely monotonous, which is the only reason I don't -10.0 myself. I effectively block a lot of systems I pay for from myself. I know I am supposed to have 3 or 4 accounts and 12 alts, 3 of them with high sec slave corps to fund my -10 alts. But I don't. To my single account -10.0 is quite devastating, so I avoid it, despite the undoubted fun it is.
Adsterine Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2007.09.04 14:49:00 - [12] again, correct me if im wrong, but afaik i think there is a different amount of sec hit when u kill a ship, depending on whether it agros back or not, im under the impression if it doesnt aggro back u get a bigger hit than if it does try to defend itself
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.09.04 15:08:00 - [13] Originally by: Adsterine again, correct me if im wrong, but afaik i think there is a different amount of sec hit when u kill a ship, depending on whether it agros back or not, im under the impression if it doesnt aggro back u get a bigger hit than if it does try to defend itself Yep, you only get the initial ship aggression sec hit (0.5%) if he shoots back. You don't get the bigger ship destruction penalty (2.0%) and he don't get kill rights I, erm, like kill things and stuff
MirrorGod Heretic Army Fang Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.04 19:10:00 - [14] /signed Needs moar bribing Concord for sec status back tbh. Increase rate from 0.0 rats could also be buffed as well, it just takes way to long to raise it and it can drop SOOO fast.
VicturusTeSaluto	Posted - 2007.09.04 19:44:00 - [15] Originally by: Gaven Blands I know I am supposed to have 3 or 4 accounts and 12 alts, 3 of them with high sec slave corps to fund my -10 alts. But I don't. To my single account -10.0 is quite devastating, so I avoid it, despite the undoubted fun it is. Uhhh, any outlaw that needs a carebear account to fund an outlaw account is doing something highly wrong. My outlaw character could fund several other accounts just on his own Trying to guard your sec status is a waste of time, and it's highly annoying to have to consider whether you should pod kill someone or not.
hellsknights Hells Angels Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.04 22:52:00 - [16] To be honest, once you got outlaw you never go back. there is nothing like living on the wrong side of the law....YaAArRRRRRR recruitment thread Join channel Hells Angels Inc
Corwain Gallente Kamite	Posted - 2007.09.05 01:16:00 - [17] Originally by: B1G DAVE When you're -10, why would you ever want to go back?! :D I dunno...why don't you ask your corp? Hint: the answer is pretty much the only reason I've seen -10s go back to positive sec... -- A Solo Arbitrator vid, Distortion by Corwain
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.09.05 01:34:00 - [18] Originally by: hellsknights To be honest, once you got outlaw you never go back. there is nothing like living on the wrong side of the law....YaAArRRRRRR Well, this is my third time back from -10. It becomes a pain when you constantly asking your mates to fly ships for you when you relocate. Wasn't a problem before, but now I have to move where we are needed, I have pulled it back to -5.3. High sec here I come, missed you I, erm, like kill things and stuff
T'Renn Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.05 02:39:00 - [19] I came back from a long and illustrious career as an outlaw just fine, actually, so it can be done. I didn't do the "wait out the timer" ratting to bring it up, I just straight ratted and got enough isk together that I haven't had to worry about ISK since. I would love to see the "after a certain amount of time your sec starts gaining on its own" feature return though - it would give me better sec than I have (I haven't done anything against the "law" for a whiiiiiile) and it would give those pirates who are on a perpetual quest to never lose their true -10 a reason to log in and play :P --
Arekhon Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.09.05 02:46:00 - [20] Edited by: Arekhon on 05/09/2007 02:47:20 Originally by: Izo Azlion Being an Outlaw is a commitment, IMHO. While its tough to become "Neutral" again, it should, by no means, be like a switch. I feel it would be abused. However, 2 weeks straight ratting in 0.0 is depressing as all hell, so maybe they could introduce a bribing CONCORD feature, to raise sec. (ISK Sink) signed/ bold part edit: stupid mistake trying to pirate with my alt..i hate grinding sec status "Where are you guys going in your battleships?" "We are going to camp in Amamake; kill 500 carebears and 1 NPC" "Why are you gonna kill an NPC?" "See, nobody cares about the carebears!" [BEES]
Will Fireblade Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.09.05 12:55:00 - [21] I think i found a solution you should get sec status increase when you shoot players in 0.0 like when you get a penalty when you shoot in low sec thats fair!! It is known that certain people have bad faction standings with npc's so why not these npc give you a sec status increase when you kill them?

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