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sue AGPlant
Minmatar
Divine Assembly of Forgotten Travelers
Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2007.09.05 12:08:00 -
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 Originally by: cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
Sadly to say the muffin factory may give up piracy Max.
Assault frigs may be able to catch everything on entry but there isn't enough people traveling threw low sec to catch.
There is about 75% less traffic as the days of old and i don't see ccp giving incentives for people to go into low sec anytime soon.
Ive been talking about it with my guys where thinking about going merc/0.0 hunting again.
But if they nerf piracy a couple more times my corp will probably leave eve.
Hopefully they will stop making this game about everyone but pirates because where what makes eve interesting.
Aww man you guys cant do that you guys are fun to play with on a fridsy night when MH is playing my blobs bigger than your blob (and they are right) I have stooped coming home from the pub thinking hmm I could go a kebab now I think hmm I could go a muffin, but sometimes the muffin eats me.
and you guys have helped me learn pvp in a big way only been doing it a couple months and only just got brave enough to get into bigger ships and smaller gangs hell last time I was in your neck of teh woods I was with a cov ops pilot to find someone so more or less solloing in the fighting erm sort of.
not sure if i have said this in local as i mentiond before i tend to be realy drunk by the time we meet lol but i have had some great fights with you guys and gave me a couple brown trouser moments when ya caughth me just sitting talking.
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Kye Kenshin
Martial.
Retribution.
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Posted - 2007.09.05 12:11:00 -
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I agree that piracy as it was is dead.
I blame capitals and recons personally for the decline in targets.
Caps and especially smartbombing motherships made camping way too easy and though not that common I reckon your average carebear just doesn't see the point in risking their ship/cargo against what they see as impossible odds.
Then you have recons like the Curse and Arazu, they killed solo piracy because 1vs1 they are damn hard to beat. I remember in 2005 when I use to belt pirate in a Rax, people would fight back instead of hiding because they felt like they had a chance against you, this was true even when I was in a Battleship. But whats the point of staying to fight when you know you most likely gonna lose.
Special mention for klepto as well, they took piracy from a cottage industry to an assembly line of slaughter which really didn't help carebear perceptions of low sec.
You still have plenty of noobs and macro haulers to shoot but theres no isk in it.
Anyway you will probably disagree but thats may view on it.
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Ulendar
M34t p0p s1ckle Manufacturing
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.09.05 13:07:00 -
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0.0 roaming gangs ftw honestly. Sure, there isn't much isk to be made in piracy these days, but every once in a while you get what some alliance mates and me got yesterday. We were messing around a bit, going here and there, camping here and there, and ended up hugging a gate for a while (wasn't exactly peak time for either US or Euro timezone anymore).
A few guys get killed, nothing serious, until a Hoarder jumps in .. and decides to log off being dictor bubbled. His hauler goes pop, his pod is treated in similar fashion, and we open the wreck .. OMFG! This guy was carrying an Ishtar in his cargo, along with a bucketload of T2 mods. Thanks buddy, much appreciated.
Morale of the story - there still is money to be made in piracy, small gangs are still doable (not 100 % of the times ofc), and every once in a while you really get lucky. Sure, piracy isn't what it used to be anymore, but in my experience it is still a valid profession, although you won't get an argument outta me when you say it got somewhat nerfed by how the game developed over the years.
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WildSide
Toys R Us
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.09.05 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: WildSide on 05/09/2007 13:18:57
I doesnt think low sec Pirating is dead. As thats about the only thing I do for living:P 
However...I think u need to a) have some xperince/intel where to find the nice spots.
b) be willing to move a LOT, as u emtying the places u have been. and U need to let the carebears return now and then for long enough that they feel some kidna safe:P
c) u got to have the manpower/gunpower to fight anyone...more or less. sometimes u can even try eating a antipirat bait...so check whats comming and then trap the trap:p (drop a mothership on em  )
d) about the loot...When Im poor...I go to a low sec mission running hub and start probing. also ransome pods and such to extra profit.
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Pavachek Secundus
Secundus Salvage
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Posted - 2007.09.05 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kye Kenshin
I remember in 2005 when I use to belt pirate in a Rax, people would fight back instead of hiding because they felt like they had a chance against you, this was true even when I was in a Battleship.
I can remember a time when your corpmates would chew you a new one for running from a fight if you were flying anything other than an indi. Of course, they'd be fitting to go out and hunt the ship that killed you while they heckled you. That was a different era in Eve though; carebears weren't so greedy and fearful of losing one of their umpteen Hulk-trained alts although they have enough isk to buy 25 more Hulks at significant mark-up.
I'm not a pirate but I do see piracy as an integral part of Eve's economy. I wouldn't mind if empire pirates got a little buff, if only for the reason that surviving a foray into low sec would be that much more satisfying.
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Draghkar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.09.05 14:44:00 -
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Nos is nerfed? Glad i dident invest in a corpum nos for my vagabond. Anyway OT.
I have to agree with the person stating the assembly of Blobs within minutes of a kill both in low sec and 0.0 makes it harder to do piracy. 
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eve warrior
Minmatar
Infinitus Odium
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.09.05 14:46:00 -
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Piracy wont Stop, We will simply adapt.
It does not matter if we sit in low sec or if needed, fix sec and war dec high sec corps for ransoms.
Long live Priacy.
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Maxine Blade
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Posted - 2007.09.05 15:40:00 -
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Ok... I'm gonna troll LOL...
What do you consider piracy? Ganking an Indy or a miner with no protection? Or finding an "I-win" scenario of 2 cruisers against you 2 recons and 1 BC?
The low-sec system I'm in has plenty of activity. I see Industrial corps coming in and out with Indys and miners.
But the main difference is that these corps have some protection.
I'm sick of Pirate saying "Piracy is dead", just because the prey is a little more defended now a days. The newbie corps who once traveled low-sec without protection are now organized into members who now PvP.
I think Piracy hasn't died, but I think Piracy has bred new corps/players who setup and want to PvP. I see many Industrial Corps going out and SEEKING fights today, and also, I see the Pirate corps who are whining in this thread, running from these Industrial corps who now can defend themselves.
Think of the carebears as Batman, and the pirates as the Joker. The Joker invented Batman. The Pirates have now helped to create a set of non-Pirate corps who are willing to defend themselves.
Piracy to me is more than just a bully picking on the skinny kid.
Respect to the pirate corps who don't only look for the easy kills.
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Maximada
Minmatar
Silent Scream
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Posted - 2007.09.05 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Maxine Blade
Ok... I'm gonna troll LOL...
What do you consider piracy? Ganking an Indy or a miner with no protection? Or finding an "I-win" scenario of 2 cruisers against you 2 recons and 1 BC?
The low-sec system I'm in has plenty of activity. I see Industrial corps coming in and out with Indys and miners.
But the main difference is that these corps have some protection.
I'm sick of Pirate saying "Piracy is dead", just because the prey is a little more defended now a days. The newbie corps who once traveled low-sec without protection are now organized into members who now PvP.
I think Piracy hasn't died, but I think Piracy has bred new corps/players who setup and want to PvP. I see many Industrial Corps going out and SEEKING fights today, and also, I see the Pirate corps who are whining in this thread, running from these Industrial corps who now can defend themselves.
Think of the carebears as Batman, and the pirates as the Joker. The Joker invented Batman. The Pirates have now helped to create a set of non-Pirate corps who are willing to defend themselves.
Piracy to me is more than just a bully picking on the skinny kid.
Respect to the pirate corps who don't only look for the easy kills.
Well thanks for the troll!
Firstly i simply asked for oppinions on if infact the way the game in general is heading, would piracy die out? I never stated that is was dead. I pirate daily and love every minute of it.
Easy kills such as lone haulers are often what brings most gain on my part, however i cant and wont speak for everyone.
As for respect, i dont really care who respects me to be honest. All i care about is making a living ingame and if that means im looked at as being lame for taking my chances on an easy target then thats your oppinion but once again it doesnt bother me.
The whole idea of the post in the first place is to get an idea of how other players and corporations feel on the subject of the vast changes to piracy. Its just good to see so many replies and nice to see how people have had to adapt etc etc over the past few years.
But hey, everyone has an oppinion so no need to troll mate. Everyone who has posted has kept on topic and has provided good insights to the the state of our trade as it stands today.
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Avaricia
The Accursed
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Posted - 2007.09.05 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Irob Urore
aww poor pirates, you might actually have to work for your isk for once.
Yeah... takes so much work and skill that we as a whole lack entirely to drag space rocks from one window to another and shoot mindless npc's that present literally no challenge... way harder than PVPing for income.
Moron.
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Devian 666
Sectoid Technologies
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Posted - 2007.09.05 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Avaricia
Originally by: Irob Urore
aww poor pirates, you might actually have to work for your isk for once.
Yeah... takes so much work and skill that we as a whole lack entirely to drag space rocks from one window to another and shoot mindless npc's that present literally no challenge... way harder than PVPing for income.
Moron.
It's the fundamental misunderstanding that carebears have as the think pirating is easier than mining. I've even had a look at some mining corps recently but I've found their income to be disturbingly low.
I'm sure there are higher quality mining carebears out there.
I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.05 23:46:00 -
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As long as there are players around who enjoy risk and challenge, piracy will be alive and well.
I guess that puts the ball in the pirates' court 
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PKO
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Posted - 2007.09.06 01:51:00 -
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Piracy exists where concordoken exists. I think even a nuclear nerf will not kill those roaches :p
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cRaNbErRy MuFfInMaN
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.09.06 06:34:00 -
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People from World of Warcraft travel to eve then
-> future of eve = 1900 people in Motsu with caldari navy ravens farming mindless npcs for faction gear all in the npc corp so nobody can war dec them.
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rand0 eastman
Gallente
Sadist Faction
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Posted - 2007.09.06 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Maxine Blade
batman invented the joker.
fixed that missconception 
piracy isnt dieing its just evolving with the game. i've read more than a few of these piracy is dying threads and the whine is generally a vintage one, with most of the people being from 2003-2005 era, where as those who are on the other side of the spectrum and are contesting it are generally going with the flow or have been playing the game for a shorter time and thus relate to a different era.
in short, don't assume something is dying because your being ganked by naustalga.
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Craved Kill
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Posted - 2007.09.06 14:59:00 -
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the original quote from maximada... is what makes me get very annoyed about some people in eve, piracy is overated as somebody has already metioned, all of you pirates think ur all really tough and the bad boys of space but as soon as you find somthing out that may threaten the fact that u ruin so many players of eve-onlines experience you all b**** like hell and spam forums left right and centre to make it so that you still have the advantage over the random flyers of space that happen to cross your path or be using "your space" for one of its intended uses. IMO piracy is a way for people who can't do anything unless they have a substantial advantage over other people who fit for a single purpose such as ratting or mining. bearing in mind that this was all written by a 15 year old guy who has been playing for about 4 monthes that fact shows that the affects of piracy and the effect that these people have on the game itself are so common and visible even to the newer players, no wonder three quarters of the starting 4 year players are planning to or have left the game and given their accounts to a friend. FLY SAFE  also i\d like to thank you for taking the time to read my post if u haven't just skipped to the bottom 
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Maximada
Minmatar
Silent Scream
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Posted - 2007.09.06 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Craved Kill
the original quote from maximada... is what makes me get very annoyed about some people in eve, piracy is overated as somebody has already metioned, all of you pirates think ur all really tough and the bad boys of space but as soon as you find somthing out that may threaten the fact that u ruin so many players of eve-onlines experience you all b**** like hell and spam forums left right and centre to make it so that you still have the advantage over the random flyers of space that happen to cross your path or be using "your space" for one of its intended uses. IMO piracy is a way for people who can't do anything unless they have a substantial advantage over other people who fit for a single purpose such as ratting or mining. bearing in mind that this was all written by a 15 year old guy who has been playing for about 4 monthes that fact shows that the affects of piracy and the effect that these people have on the game itself are so common and visible even to the newer players, no wonder three quarters of the starting 4 year players are planning to or have left the game and given their accounts to a friend. FLY SAFE also i\d like to thank you for taking the time to read my post if u haven't just skipped to the bottom
Were not moaning mate you are
before you flame my thread with utter nonsense just do a search for threads on motherships are overpowered in low sec or the classic theres no defence against empire ganking of my freighter.
If you do a comprehensive search of the forums you will see that infact, everytime pirates find out something that gives us the upper hand, there are that many carebears venting their disgust about it that the game is changed.
I also think you will find that alot of the people answering this post are old players and were not here to moan, were just posting our views.
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Lance Cuthroat
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Posted - 2007.09.07 03:50:00 -
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Why shouldn't you have to work for your kills?
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