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Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.09.07 00:48:00 - [31] Edited by: Dr Slurm on 07/09/2007 00:48:36 Originally by: DragonRiderTao Edited by: DragonRiderTao on 06/09/2007 20:58:11 Originally by: Ramblin Man ]When choosing between multiple investment options, we do make the choice on only words. So why should I invest in your idea, which comes with fewer words from one person, as opposed to another, which comes with many words from multiple people, including many quite-elderly characters? (no offense intended DS, but you're getting up there) Everyone starts somewhere. All I am asking is for a chance. My plan can start with any amount. The amount I have mentioned is the maximum amount I believe I will efficiently handle. Originally by: Ricdic You paid back 20m to the last investor. Now you are asking for 3 billion isk. How about you drop the requirement down, prove you can be trusted, and work your way up the ladder like everyone else? Anyone can invest any sum. You can invest 5 million. You were given a chance... to answer questions and proove yourself. But you chose instead to make no response to very many legit questions and requests. success the first page is full. I would say its now time to stop bumping this, no chance that anyone will miss the message presented by the forum. Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here
Morcam	Posted - 2007.09.07 01:14:00 - [32] Originally by: DragonRiderTao Edited by: DragonRiderTao on 06/09/2007 20:58:11 Originally by: Ramblin Man ]When choosing between multiple investment options, we do make the choice on only words. So why should I invest in your idea, which comes with fewer words from one person, as opposed to another, which comes with many words from multiple people, including many quite-elderly characters? (no offense intended DS, but you're getting up there) Everyone starts somewhere. All I am asking is for a chance. My plan can start with any amount. The amount I have mentioned is the maximum amount I believe I will efficiently handle. Originally by: Ricdic You paid back 20m to the last investor. Now you are asking for 3 billion isk. How about you drop the requirement down, prove you can be trusted, and work your way up the ladder like everyone else? Anyone can invest any sum. You can invest 5 million. How about 1 isk? I will send it to you the next time I log on. Use it well, you might be able to buy a piece of tritanium with it if you're a smart trader.
Jaeger Orlofsson VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.09.08 09:49:00 - [33] isk sent
Investigador Caldari Hator inc	Posted - 2007.09.09 11:03:00 - [34] Edited by: Investigador on 09/09/2007 11:03:35 Originally by: DragonRiderTao Let me provide you with wealth. Let us experience mutual growth. That sounds........ ***. I was just thinking about how his motto sounds like a viagra ad when I read this line EDIT: Well, hit "quote" to see the censored word.
DragonRiderTao	Posted - 2007.09.10 20:45:00 - [35] Originally by: Jaeger Orlofsson isk sent Thank you. Your 30 000 000 isk will experience growth. How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine.
DragonRiderTao	Posted - 2007.09.10 21:10:00 - [36] Originally by: tinuvin Dragon I will make you a deal. I will invest in this business plan on a rolling scale, potentially upto 500 million ISK. The amount invested will depend upon a person recommending your business plan in this thread, or stating they plan to invest. I will leave it up to you to find an investor to publicly back you. Jaeger Orlofsson has sent an investment. He has confirmed it twice in this thread. How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine.
tinuvin	Posted - 2007.09.10 22:18:00 - [37] Dragon your only investor gave you 30 million ISK for "entertainment value", hardly a ringing endorsement. But saying that I am a man of my word so I have sent you 20 ISK. I am looking forward to you turning it into "wealth"
Atherin Gaius Caldari Domini Umbrus	Posted - 2007.09.11 17:02:00 - [38] Originally by: tinuvin ....I have sent you 20 ISK. I am looking forward to you turning it into "wealth" ROFLOL....That is priceless....I think I will post it in my bio
McRuder Gallente Stratagem Inc Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.13 10:30:00 - [39] I made an investment of 20 mill into his scheme. He repaid me 45 million after 3 months and a bit. I will simply reinvest the returned amount into his scheme. Please be very clear on this: I do not endorse him or his product as yet. One investment do not make for endorsements. On that vein, I also never endorse anything in Eve, as its just to easy to scam in this game. I have seen people building relations over years only to take everything and run in the end. There is zero commitment in this game from anyone to anyone. I did not become a multi-billionaire in this game by being a fool and trusting people. I view all the posters in this thread with same view. I do not care how much you think of yourself or your own "succesful" schemes, and even less of what you think of me and my investment methods. I make my own decisions based on what I see. So why this post? I got an email from the OP requesting some help, and endorsement. This is my help by stating the fact he took my money and returned it with interest. So I will give him money again. Big red scam signs all over his posts with NONE & ZERO proof does not make a good argument - its an opinion.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2007.09.13 10:38:00 - [40] Originally by: McRuder Big red scam signs all over his posts with NONE & ZERO proof does not make a good argument - its an opinion. An argument is first, by definition, an opinion. An opposing one but an opinion. I'm glad he's trustworthy with 20m. Did he: - Keep in touch with you while he held your money? - Did he inform you of what he did with that money? - Besides the return of more than double your money (Good thing there) was there any thing else that would have you recommend this person? These are the questions that as of yet, many many months, have consistently failed to be addressed by the OP and/or anyone else. Answers to these questions do not a guarantee make nor does the lack of them automatically a scam make however anecdotal evidence suggests that the latter is more likely to be a scam than the former. Plain and simple: Invest at your own risk at all times. Invest with the OP at the most extreme of risks. It's A GIRL!!!!!
McRuder Gallente Stratagem Inc Zzz	Posted - 2007.09.13 12:19:00 - [41] He kept in touch during via evemail from time to time. Frankly I do not care what he did with the money. Whether he sold his secondhand underwear, or bred dodo birdies by sitting on rocks, I do not care. He said he will take my money and promised a return of some % - that's what I am interested in. He delivered on that promise and exceeded it. I got back better than expected - I am happy with that. Unless I know the person personally, and have looked into his eyes, and wrote his address in my black book, then no I do not recommend anyone. Sorry this is Eve - that is the way it is. Just the same I would not just invest in any of the other posters' schemes no matter how eloquent, or how many pages of blurb they contain. I suspect this person is from a different culture, therefore his approach and method is unorthodox. I have no judgment on his discussion of the issues or the answer/non answer of the posts. What I did see was consistency in his approach and answers. The couple of noob attempts to endorse himself was just LoL to me. It does not prove anything to me. Anecdotal evidence? Thats word of mouth - and most of that is people calling the OP a scammer without proper evidence. I want to hear in the least: "He scammed me .. he took x and never gave it back ... he disappeared with it". Supported by a screenie of the transaction of course. Likely a scammer? Probably yes. So is everyone else. Like I said before: this is Eve - nobody has any commitment to anyone else. I take my chances with everyone in this game. Every investment is a game of chance taken on your own risk. This topic is like farting against a wall - I will waste no more time with it.
DragonRiderTao	Posted - 2007.10.13 16:20:00 - [42] Recently there has been much strife. It does not affect industry. There is wealth in the land. Together we experience growth. How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.10.13 18:05:00 - [43] I would feel bad if this guy truly was legit. All the crap we have laid down on him and he still keeps coming back, doesn't respond with attacks of any sort. Tell you what, if consistency equalled trust, this guy would be holding dev petition isk reserves as an investment. Need Empire Research Slots. Click here
Ramblin Man Empyreum	Posted - 2007.10.13 23:43:00 - [44] Some might say consistency equals boredom and an alt, but that'd be relatively pessimistic. Welcome to the dark side old friend. . _Shar Where we hate people through words.
Digital Nightfall	Posted - 2007.10.14 01:05:00 - [45] Originally by: McRuder He kept in touch during via evemail from time to time. Frankly I do not care what he did with the money. Whether he sold his secondhand underwear, or bred dodo birdies by sitting on rocks, I do not care. He said he will take my money and promised a return of some % - that's what I am interested in. He delivered on that promise and exceeded it. I got back better than expected - I am happy with that. Unless I know the person personally, and have looked into his eyes, and wrote his address in my black book, then no I do not recommend anyone. Sorry this is Eve - that is the way it is. Just the same I would not just invest in any of the other posters' schemes no matter how eloquent, or how many pages of blurb they contain. I suspect this person is from a different culture, therefore his approach and method is unorthodox. I have no judgment on his discussion of the issues or the answer/non answer of the posts. What I did see was consistency in his approach and answers. The couple of noob attempts to endorse himself was just LoL to me. It does not prove anything to me. Anecdotal evidence? Thats word of mouth - and most of that is people calling the OP a scammer without proper evidence. I want to hear in the least: "He scammed me .. he took x and never gave it back ... he disappeared with it". Supported by a screenie of the transaction of course. Likely a scammer? Probably yes. So is everyone else. Like I said before: this is Eve - nobody has any commitment to anyone else. I take my chances with everyone in this game. Every investment is a game of chance taken on your own risk. This topic is like farting against a wall - I will waste no more time with it. Exactly what I was feeling when I read this thread, and the others posted before from the OP. Because of the handfull of people, falling over themselves to repost their distrust in you, I'm going to invest in your buisness plan. I have not seen anyone here post that you took their money, ate their children and burned their wives so far. Ive only seen rather rabid responses from the established buisness people, which by its very nature bothers me. I understand caution, and you are unconventional and almost naive in your way of presenting your buisness plan. However, I dont think it justifies the numerous accusations of your intent and motives at all. I feel like you are the odd ball in the sandbox, and the cool kids are poking fun at you. I dont think you're a scammer, mostly because of the downright self mutilation you'd have to be into, to keep comming back for more here. And as such I respect your composure and level headedness in the face of such opposition. You can take my isk and turn them into more. Everyone else in the thread : talk to the hand, or better yet, shaddap! Youve plastered your opinions all over the threads by this guy. We have all read your views already, shut the hell up already. Its nauseating to watch the buisness police roll in over and over again. One post, state your opinions, and then ftlog and all things fluffy get over yourselves already.
Letias Caldari Teikoku Trade Conglomerate Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2007.10.14 02:00:00 - [46] Originally by: Digital Nightfall Edited by: Digital Nightfall on 14/10/2007 01:48:30 Everyone else in the thread : talk to the hand, or better yet, shaddap! Youve plastered your opinions all over the threads by this guy. We have all read your views, shush already. Even as a preemptive meassure to supposedly help those who might fall for a scam, your spamming the threads completely drowns out any perhaps legitimate concerns, and reads much more as plain trolling. Its annoying to watch the buisness police roll in over and over again. One post, state your opinions, and then ftlog and all things fluffy get over yourselves already. Do you Wish for growth as well?
Digital Nightfall	Posted - 2007.10.14 02:07:00 - [47] Originally by: Dr Slurm Here's are link to his previous scam attempts: This was his first attempt. When that thread started going in a direction he didn't like he created another thread to cover it up. Which the mods locked. Here he tries again and again. So without further ado: your point being? I thought I had already made it clear in my post, that I have read through all the spam/trolling/venting/boredom/cantstopmyselfrompostingagainandagainandagain already. Still arriving at my opinion :)
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.14 02:10:00 - [48] Nightfall, we do this because never ever ever want to see another scam again. Scams harm the business community as a whole and I will be the first to admit that it can be a barbaric form of self-regulation...but I choose that any day over another EIB scam or anything like it. If the business plan is written well and it shows thought has been put into it....the IPO is generally well recieved. His first error was a poorly thought out IPO...his second error was becoming very defensive about it when the questions came in. Being defensive is not very well recieved since it normally means the person has something to hide. Or...they have thin skin. Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
Letias Caldari Teikoku Trade Conglomerate Visions of Warfare	Posted - 2007.10.14 02:12:00 - [49] Best of luck to you, dunno if a solo investor can do too much though
Digital Nightfall	Posted - 2007.10.14 02:21:00 - [50] Originally by: Hexxx Nightfall, we do this because never ever ever want to see another scam again. Scams harm the business community as a whole and I will be the first to admit that it can be a barbaric form of self-regulation...but I choose that any day over another EIB scam or anything like it. If the business plan is written well and it shows thought has been put into it....the IPO is generally well recieved. His first error was a poorly thought out IPO...his second error was becoming very defensive about it when the questions came in. Being defensive is not very well recieved since it normally means the person has something to hide. Or...they have thin skin. So you think, when someone is recieved like this - that its unatural and suspiscious to respond with increasing exasperation. Thats very interesting. I find it quite understandable. And while I realise your motives for posting as much, and as thoroughly to his threads, over and over again, it still reads as trolling past a certain point, and I have still not seen anyone posting actual experience of having been scammed. Rather I've seen 1 person post he had his investment doubled. Now to me, that weighs so very much more on my mind when forming an opinion, than the posts made prior to that. This could be because I'm braindead, or only have 2 neurons that rarely collide to spark thought. Or you guys have been a little too overzealous and come across as more intent on seeing blood, than giving the guy a chance to prove himself. I dont expect every person to come up with a buisness plan capable of providing a professional looking schedule. Do I prefer it when they can, HELL YES! - but do I think that those who can't are scammers or incapable of making profit HELL NO! - some people are just not blessed with the same communication skills as others. Poking at them for that, blending over to attacking their motives and intentions is just plain wrong. Believe what you will, but thats a bandwagon I dont sit on. Anyways, thats the end of my contribution to this thread. Regards N'day
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.14 02:30:00 - [51] Originally by: Digital Nightfall Edited by: Digital Nightfall on 14/10/2007 02:27:39 Originally by: Hexxx Nightfall, we do this because never ever ever want to see another scam again. Scams harm the business community as a whole and I will be the first to admit that it can be a barbaric form of self-regulation...but I choose that any day over another EIB scam or anything like it. If the business plan is written well and it shows thought has been put into it....the IPO is generally well recieved. His first error was a poorly thought out IPO...his second error was becoming very defensive about it when the questions came in. Being defensive is not very well recieved since it normally means the person has something to hide. Or...they have thin skin. So you think, when someone is recieved like this - that its unatural and suspiscious to respond with increasing exasperation. Thats very interesting. I find it quite understandable. And while I realise your motives for posting as much, and as thoroughly to his threads, over and over again, it still reads as trolling past a certain point, and I have still not seen anyone posting actual experience of having been scammed. Rather I've seen 1 person post he had his investment doubled. Now to me, that weighs so very much more on my mind when forming an opinion, than the posts made prior to that. This could be because I'm braindead, or only have 2 neurons that rarely collide to spark thought. Or you guys have been a little too overzealous and come across as more intent on seeing blood, than giving the guy a chance to prove himself. I dont expect every person to come up with a buisness plan capable of providing a professional looking schedule. Do I prefer it when they can, HELL YES! - but do I think that those who can't are scammers or incapable of making profit HELL NO! - some people are just not blessed with the same communication skills as others. Poking at them for that, blending over to attacking their motives and intentions is just plain wrong. Believe what you will, but thats a bandwagon I dont sit on. Anyways, thats the end of my contribution to this thread. Regards N'day Edit: and yes, just to underline it, I do understand that your intentions come from a good place. But I think you guys get a little agressive when someone fails to meet the standards we are used to. Rather than telling him plainly: You cant get 3 billion isk, with such a naive IPO setup, refine it, look to these links for pointers. You rather spend much more energy to label him a scammer, attack his motives and intentions, which regardless at how you look at it, is just insulting him. Thats not befitting anyone who otherwise wishes to be respected for their opinions here. Please continue to post in these Forums. While I may not see eye to eye with you on this, you have a fresh perspective and that's valuable. You also put thought into your posts (another rare commodity). I urge you not to become jaded and cynical from this thread and the previous linked threads...time will take care of that eventually...but for now you would serve well as a counter-point to some of the older and more jaded and cynical persons (like me for example). At any rate, you seem new, but please stay around. Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
Dr Slurm General Commodities	Posted - 2007.10.14 02:33:00 - [52] Originally by: Digital Nightfall Originally by: Hexxx Nightfall, we do this because never ever ever want to see another scam again. Scams harm the business community as a whole and I will be the first to admit that it can be a barbaric form of self-regulation...but I choose that any day over another EIB scam or anything like it. If the business plan is written well and it shows thought has been put into it....the IPO is generally well recieved. His first error was a poorly thought out IPO...his second error was becoming very defensive about it when the questions came in. Being defensive is not very well recieved since it normally means the person has something to hide. Or...they have thin skin. So you think, when someone is recieved like this - that its unatural and suspiscious to respond with increasing exasperation. Thats very interesting. It indicates they have no other argument/defense to provide. Quote: I find it quite understandable. And while I realise your motives for posting as much, and as thoroughly to his threads, over and over again, it still reads as trolling past a certain point, and I have still not seen anyone posting actual experience of having been scammed. I consider posting the same lame attempt at an IPO with the same broken english repeatedly to be trolling. Quote: Rather I've seen 1 person post he had his investment doubled. Now to me, that weighs so very much more on my mind when forming an opinion, than the posts made prior to that. You might not have noticed but he "doubled" that investment (all of 20m I think) about 5 minutes before he made this most recent thread to attempt to give himself a grain of integrity. Quote: This could be because I'm braindead, or only have 2 neurons that rarely collide to spark thought. Or you guys have been a little too overzealous and come across as more intent on seeing blood, than giving the guy a chance to prove himself. I dont expect every person to come up with a buisness plan capable of providing a professional looking schedule. Do I prefer it when they can, HELL YES! - but do I think that those who can't are scammers or incapable of making profit HELL NO! - some people are just not blessed with the same communication skills as others. Poking at them for that, blending over to attacking their motives and intentions is just plain wrong. Believe what you will, but thats a bandwagon I dont sit on. Anyways, thats the end of my contribution to this thread. Regards N'day He was given plenty of chances in previous threads to justify and defend himself. He wasn't capable and chose not to. He has now been marked with the scarlet letter(s). <sig> Tired of the inane ramblings of the incompetent? Click here </sig>
DragonRiderTao	Posted - 2007.10.15 14:07:00 - [53] Thank you for the support. The current market instability provides a good atmosphere for trade. The urge for equilibrium allows for growth. How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine.
DragonRiderTao	Posted - 2007.10.15 14:55:00 - [54] Originally by: Letias Best of luck to you, dunno if a solo investor can do too much though You may also invest for growth. How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:20:00 - [55] Originally by: DragonRiderTao Thank you for the support. The current market instability provides a good atmosphere for trade. The urge for equilibrium allows for growth. I will say...this is a cryptic statement, but there is some truth to be read here. Arbitrage doesn't last long since the market generally corrects ineffeciencies. If he's implying the the market is going to correct itself...and he's managed to somehow get into a position on the side which will rise to meet the market correction...then he may make some money. Hypothetical of course. Consulting, IPO Template, and Stock/Bond definitions.
Khardiun	Posted - 2007.10.15 15:58:00 - [56] I will never invest in an IPO that is worded this badly. I'm a new player myself and have been lurking the market forum for about three weeks. I'm considering launching my own IPO. If it was anywhere near as badly worded as this pile of garbage, I'm afraid I would never be taken seriously by this community ever again. That probably wouldn't be a bad thing. Shame on all you people for giving this guy isk!
Frogsley Babylon. Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.10.15 16:20:00 - [57] Do not question the floating head! Do not expect money from the floating head! Cower before him, before his floating head! Offer him money as a tribute to his floating-headness. That is all.
Rhiraven Gallente Epic Empire Exa Nation	Posted - 2007.10.15 20:26:00 - [58] lol I can't believe you people are giving this guy money. I guess he has entertainment value... -
Terminus adacai Caldari	Posted - 2007.10.15 21:18:00 - [59] How is 8% return over 6 months considered "wealth"? And this has to be the poorest business plan I have seen proposed yet. Opinions reflected on my posts are just that, my opinions. They do not reflect views held by my corp or alliance.
Kaaii Caldari Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.10.15 21:44:00 - [60] I really think your dragon has been officially slayed.. . According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,

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