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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.02.10 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: Mon Palae on 10/02/2004 22:24:34 Pirates win by invocation of the "smear" rule.
DonÆt think so? LetÆs see what measures we can use:
Most Money in the Wallet: Pirates Most Resources: Pirates Highest Ship Value Added among all Members: Pirates Most Space Controlled: Pirates Best at PvP: Pirates Best at Running Away: Pirates Best Ability to Stretch Game Mechanics: Pirates Best Miners: Carebears Most Profitable Miners: Carebears who payoff/work for Pirates
Congratulations and well done. Now letÆs restart the game again from the beginning.
That may be a little flippant and of course will never happen but to be honest the above list has zero chance of changing. No ebb and flow of power. If every non-pirate corp in the game were to unite and fight the combined might of m0o or Space Invaders and their ilk I seriously doubt they could prevail against the pirates. The pirate corpsÆ pockets are too deep. Pirates control the vast majority of space and more importantly the parts with the valuable stuff in it (in fact I am hard pressed to come up with a 0.0 non-empire region not under their sway now). Indeed, about the only space they do not control is 0.5 and above thanks to CONCORD and even CONCORD has had trouble maintaining total security (to the point of causing GMÆs to camp gates in Uber ships). And of course having made a living doing nothing but fighting other people they are really quite good at it and generally own most comers.
How did it work out this way? It would be sad to assume that every decent game player in EVE chose piracy. Fact is there are plenty of competent people on all sides (and more than a fair share of morons too). I think the simplest explanation is pirates only do one thing in EVEàpirate. Other corps are focused on a multitude of things from mining and manufacturing and trade to agent missions. IÆd also wager the power players (those online 23/7) are more heavily represented in the pirate corps thus allowing for more sustained attacks on enemies or using time to their advantage (such as what happened in Fountain not too long ago). But perhaps the biggest advantage is there is no downside to playing a pirate in EVE. In theory there should beàyou make your choices in the game and take the good with the bad.
In theory pirates should be unable to access Empire space but in reality this is simply not the case barring a few relatively rare examples and they generally have ALTs to take care of their business making the whole point moot.
In theory pirates should have had to cope with bounty hunters chasing them around the galaxy. In reality this rarely happens due to the near impossibility of tracking someone not to mention the pooched sec status would often penalize the bounty hunterÆs sec status for getting the kill. Add to that many pirateÆs penchant for self-destructing themselves or quick-logging off their characters.
In theory corps/alliances should see pirates scouting and perhaps stop them. In reality it is much more difficult for ægoodÆ corps to stop ALT spies. Pirates kill everyone not them on sight. æGoodÆ corps wonÆt touch an ALT swinging through on the assumption it might really be a new player.
A favorite refrain of pirates is ôadapt or dieö. Fair enough and adapt many people did. Apparently CCP felt the adapt part was unfair to the pirates and have seen fit to hand them more of the EVE pie for some inexplicable reason with deployable warp disruptors and player controlled stations.
Yes, yesàI knowàanyone can use these but who are we kidding? Who controls the vast majority of deep space where the new stations are? Who can pretty much roll over any opposition or wait till they go to bed and take those stations? Who will benefit most from those stations being there?
As for deployable warp disruptors once again pirates are not fooling anyone by suggesting Carebears will get as much use from them. Certainly they will get a little use by non-pirates and will catch pirates now and again but these are clearly of biggest benefit to piratesàby far. Pirates now have a way to stop all ships at a gate and those ships have NO defense except speed. But of course now pirates are free to dump sensor boosters and the like in favor of webbers so even speed will be of dubious use. As for killing the disruptors it would take an armada (look at the specsàthe smallest is as tough as a battleshipàthe biggest will take minutes from several battleships to bring down and of course there will be , multiple disruptors at a gate). Oh yeahàthey are supposed to be expensive too but guess who can bear those costs easily and who cannot (the answer should be obvious by now).
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.02.10 22:20:00 -
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I think player controlled stations are a neat idea as are warp disruptors (in theory) but I think their implementation is poor to say the least. No doubt those who are reading comprehension challenged will flame and call me a Carebear and anything else ad hominem that is totally off topic and unhelpful. As such let me say here I am not a Carebear. I spend the vast majority of my time in 0.0 space. I run pirate blockades all the time and play cat and mouse in systems and it is fun. I get away a lot but not always (not even closeàI stopped numbering my replacement ships as it was getting too depressing). I havenÆt smack-talked a pirate once, ever, for any of it nor have I posted to the forum about how unfair a kill was (I may have *****ed about a lag death but that was directed at CCP and no doubt most PvPers have experienced that and would agree it stinks). My goal is to see EVE refined so it is fun for all playersàor at least to have all players have reasonable chances at doing most of the things EVE has to offer should they choose to do so. That does not mean it should be easy or safe. I personally feel pirates are a very necessary part of the EVE universe to give it spice and a liveliness. I just think things have gotten a bit too lopsidedàWAY too lopsided. If there were a reasonable way to rectify that then great but I do not see that there is.
Flamers will flame with no need for invitation but I hope for some responses that address what I have laid out. Whether to debunk or support is fine. The main goal is to make a better EVE for all that is more fun for all including, but not limited to, pirates.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.02.10 22:22:00 -
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*yawn*
I don't know what game you are playing, but it must be a different one. -- Stories: #1 --
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.02.10 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: Mon Palae on 10/02/2004 22:27:05
Quote: youve obv never pirated
you're totally off.
try again when you know what you're talking about.
Ok...how am I off?
What did I say that was untrue?
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Eltigre
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Posted - 2004.02.10 22:31:00 -
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Quote: Edited by: Mon Palae on 10/02/2004 22:24:34 Pirates win by invocation of the "smear" rule.
DonÆt think so? LetÆs see what measures we can use:
Most Money in the Wallet: Pirates Most Resources: Pirates Highest Ship Value Added among all Members: Pirates Most Space Controlled: Pirates Best at PvP: Pirates Best at Running Away: Pirates Best Ability to Stretch Game Mechanics: Pirates Best Miners: Carebears Most Profitable Miners: Carebears who payoff/work for Pirates
Congratulations and well done. Now letÆs restart the game again from the beginning.
That may be a little flippant and of course will never happen but to be honest the above list has zero chance of changing. No ebb and flow of power. If every non-pirate corp in the game were to unite and fight the combined might of m0o or Space Invaders and their ilk I seriously doubt they could prevail against the pirates. The pirate corpsÆ pockets are too deep. Pirates control the vast majority of space and more importantly the parts with the valuable stuff in it (in fact I am hard pressed to come up with a 0.0 non-empire region not under their sway now). Indeed, about the only space they do not control is 0.5 and above thanks to CONCORD and even CONCORD has had trouble maintaining total security (to the point of causing GMÆs to camp gates in Uber ships). And of course having made a living doing nothing but fighting other people they are really quite good at it and generally own most comers.
How did it work out this way? It would be sad to assume that every decent game player in EVE chose piracy. Fact is there are plenty of competent people on all sides (and more than a fair share of morons too). I think the simplest explanation is pirates only do one thing in EVEàpirate. Other corps are focused on a multitude of things from mining and manufacturing and trade to agent missions. IÆd also wager the power players (those online 23/7) are more heavily represented in the pirate corps thus allowing for more sustained attacks on enemies or using time to their advantage (such as what happened in Fountain not too long ago). But perhaps the biggest advantage is there is no downside to playing a pirate in EVE. In theory there should beàyou make your choices in the game and take the good with the bad.
In theory pirates should be unable to access Empire space but in reality this is simply not the case barring a few relatively rare examples and they generally have ALTs to take care of their business making the whole point moot.
In theory pirates should have had to cope with bounty hunters chasing them around the galaxy. In reality this rarely happens due to the near impossibility of tracking someone not to mention the pooched sec status would often penalize the bounty hunterÆs sec status for getting the kill. Add to that many pirateÆs penchant for self-destructing themselves or quick-logging off their characters.
In theory corps/alliances should see pirates scouting and perhaps stop them. In reality it is much more difficult for ægoodÆ corps to stop ALT spies. Pirates kill everyone not them on sight. æGoodÆ corps wonÆt touch an ALT swinging through on the assumption it might really be a new player.
A favorite refrain of pirates is ôadapt or dieö. Fair enough and adapt many people did. Apparently CCP felt the adapt part was unfair to the pirates and have seen fit to hand them more of the EVE pie for some inexplicable reason with deployable warp disruptors and player controlled stations.
Yes, yesàI knowàanyone can use these but who are we kidding? Who controls the vast majority of deep space where the new stations are? Who can pretty much roll over any opposition or wait till they go to bed and take those stations? Who will benefit most from those stations being there?
As for deployable warp disruptors once again pirates are not fooling anyone by suggesting Carebears will get as much use from them. Certainly they will get a little use by non-pirates and will catch pirates now and again but these are clearly of biggest benefit to piratesàby far. Pirates now have a way to stop all ships at a gate and those ships have NO defense except speed. But of course now pirates are free to dump sensor boosters and the like in favor of webbers so even speed will be of dubious use. As for killing the disruptors it would take an armada (look at the specsàthe smallest is as tough as a battleshipàthe biggest will take minutes from several battleships to bring down and of course there will be , multiple disruptors at a gate). Oh yeahàthey are supposed to be expensive too but guess who can bear those costs easily and who cannot (the answer should be obvious by now).
(cont.)
edited out due to trolling -kristina.
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.02.10 22:31:00 -
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Edited by: pooti on 10/02/2004 22:33:21
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Most Money in the Wallet: Pirates Most Resources: Pirates Highest Ship Value Added among all Members: Pirates
false. the large mining/production corps have far greater assets than any pirate corp. most pirates I know live ship to ship & often need to borrow money when insurance comes around. When I was in Red Corsairs we seldom had more than 5m in corp wallet and no individual member had more than a few mil. We didn't have ship reserves either.
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Most Space Controlled: Pirates
afaik there is no pirate controlled space. maybe one or two chokeholds, but they're frequently overrun.
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Best at PvP: Pirates Best at Running Away: Pirates
yes.
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Best Ability to Stretch Game Mechanics: Pirates
sure. shooting outside of sentry range vs. afk grid mining ark. which has less risk and more profit?
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Best Miners: Carebears Most Profitable Miners: Carebears who payoff/work for Pirates
Yes/sorta.
Any mining group that bothers getting a decent security force can be insanely profitable. But, most security forces are alliances and such, not pirates. I can only think of about four pirate corps that have *any* pull at all in Eve, whereas I can think of at least two dozen non-pirate groups and just as many strictly anti-pirate groups.
Anyway you don't really seem to know what you're talking about. How much time have you spent pirating?
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.10 22:38:00 -
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Let me be the first to say: ROFLMFAO
You're so off it's hilarious. "Most Money in the Wallet: Pirates"... *cough* Techell *cough* TTi *cough* Xanadu *cough* Everlasting Vendetta *cough*.
"Most resources: Pirates"? Err...till m0o and FE went avisting, Fountain was Fountain Alliance space. Stain was Stain Alliance space. Even Venal and Pure Blind, NVA territory, had a value if you know what you're looking for.
"Most Space COntrolled: Pirates"? Err...most pirates try not to settle down in any one location. No point making a bullseye and telling the world where it is.
"Highest Ship Value Added among all Members: Pirates". Dunno how many ships m0o actually has. They don't lose them enough to really say. But they did seem to cause a lot of people to lose ships while visiting Fountain. Which were replaced from somewhere...
"Best at PvP: Pirates". They do have an advantage here because they're fighting more than regular players. But not every pirate is Stavros' or Tank CEO's or drunkenmaster's caliber. Trust me on that one
"Best at Running Away: Pirates"? Err...yeah. Double/triple MWDs, instajump bookmarks, safespots.
"Best Ability to Stretch Game Mechanics: Pirates"? Pirates?!? You do know that it was never intended to mine into a jetcan right?
Gods...haven't even made it 1/4th the way through your post. Honestly, they're great at catchphrases. So...
Have a cookieÖ End YourselfÖ kthnxb1!Ö
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
pooti
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Posted - 2004.02.10 22:38:00 -
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and if you think that capturable stations and deployable warp scramblers are going to help pirates your clueless
the only pirate corp that still pirates that i can see holding a station is space invaders. the other bigges have all apparently gone legit (fe) or could give ****all about controlling one (us)
personally im somewhat terrified of the scramblers. im almost always outnumbered and rarely stay in a spot long enough for them to be of any use. the alliances, on the other hand.
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pooti
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Posted - 2004.02.10 22:40:00 -
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i took "best at running away" to be a flamish "best at not dying"
'cause yeah we're generally good at that
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Diggy
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Posted - 2004.02.10 22:44:00 -
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I think someone should calm down a little bit...wow ive read lots of post on people complaining on "Pirates this and pirates that" but my god this just tops the list in my book...But im glad you got it out and im glad you think the GM's are going to do something about it...and WTF "Restart the game again from scratch"??? What is that...NEVER would happen and if it did, the game would turn out the same way...And then you would just have to write another post about something that has been said over and over and over...And im not even a pirate..Im just a player on the game that does normal stuff in empire space, and ive never complained about it...There no reason to cause nothing will be done about it...Jesus will people please quit complaining about pirates and carebears...It is part of the game! GET OVER IT! or leave
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Wotok
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Posted - 2004.02.10 22:44:00 -
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I must be playing a different game.
I'm playing since beta. I never pirated. I seldom mine. I got PKed one time. I'm not in a big corp. I'm making money. I am having fun.
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Tesol Xarto
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Posted - 2004.02.10 22:45:00 -
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is it worth reading, or is this something like: "market is dying", "players are leaving", "pirates/miners are unplayable" ????
:-D ======= WOTOK HAS NO BRAIN
sobriety sucks / eating nuclear waste might give you indigestion |
pooti
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Posted - 2004.02.10 22:48:00 -
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Edited by: pooti on 10/02/2004 22:49:44
Quote: is it worth reading, or is this something like: "market is dying", "players are leaving", "pirates/miners are unplayable" ????
:-D
yeah another "i'm not winning, therefore eve is in the midst of a crisis" type dealie.
i think ccp has done an incredible job balancing eve in every respect
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Grinth Fealnon
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Posted - 2004.02.10 22:52:00 -
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Quote: Most Money in the Wallet: Pirates
Probably true.
Quote: Most Resources: Pirates
Highly questionable. If, after all, as you suggest pirates do nothing but pirate, they wouldn't be spending a lot of time gathering resources. Of course, they should be able to afford what they need if someone is willing to sell it to them (provided they havent been able to get it from a victim), but I would think pirates would focus mainly on their ships, outfitting etc.
Quote: Most Space Controlled: Pirates
This I would completely disagree with. I don't think it any big secret that the various pirate corps spend most of their time these days creating chaos for the corps that are trying to claim space, rather than trying to control space for themselves.
This ties into your points about pirates being the best at running away, and it being impossible to track them down. If the pirates were controlling various sections of space, then it shouldn't be to hard to find them, just go to the space they control. Again, it seems pirates move around a lot, creating havoc to whomever is the latest to claim control of space.
Quote: Most Profitable Miners: Carebears who payoff/work for Pirates
Again, Im not sure I would agree with that, although I am sure there are those who get some pretty lucrative deals this way.
Quote: Who will benefit most from those stations being there?
How do the new stations benefit pirate corps more than anyone else?
Quote: I think the simplest explanation is pirates only do one thing in EVEàpirate. Other corps are focused on a multitude of things from mining and manufacturing and trade to agent missions.
How is this directly related to the game design CCP has implemented? There is nothing stopping corporations from focusing purely on one area and forging business ties with other corporations who focus on another area. If a corp diversifies, it is not because CCP has forced them to through game design, it is because the players of the corporation chose to diversify.
Besides, as you mentioned, there are those "carebear" miners who "work for pirates". They chose to focus on one area, need another and get a mining corp to work for them, so clearly this is an option that is already utilized in the game.
I just really don't think this game is overly unbalanced to pirates Commander Grinth: Logistics
"I have seen what power does, and I have seen what power costs. The one is never equal to the other."
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.02.10 22:56:00 -
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Perhaps my mistake is lumping in economic cartels with pirates. Personally I feel that all space should be accessible to all. I'll grant I do not make a distinction between a pirate ganking me and a cartel ganking me.
As for money I can see no way the likes of m0o or Space Invaders can keep themselves in battleships considering they do not mine and such. As good as they may be they are bound to lose battleships now and again and given the rate with which they seek out fights I am hard pressed to see where all the money comes from without deep reserves (that are replenished). There were stories on this forum awhile back of a Space Invader member (I think) losing three battleships inside of one week and was on her fourth. Maybe that was apocryphal but no one gainsaid it. To me anyone who can acquire 4 batleships in one week is truly wealthy or their corp is.
As for controlling space mayhap I misstated. But I was down in Gehi last night and Pooti and some buddies were blocking my entrance into the region behind there with I believe a total of three ships. This was 4j from Gehi. CFS seems to have been asleep or something as they were there for hours. In my book they were controlling the area pretty handily (and before you say why didn't I go get them all I had at my disposal was a hauler...had I my cruiser and some others to help I would have gone hunting gladly).
Fountain? Broken near as I can tell. There was a screen shot of what? 100 ships up there in one system? 70+ of which were battleships? For such a poor bunch of people that is an astounding number. I wish our alliance could field a tenth of that.
What deep space regions are there that are accessible? Accessible with some reason to expect success? Not 100% safe but reason to believe your armada of ships you need to mine safely won't be a magnet with a quick glimpse at the map?
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.02.10 23:03:00 -
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Quote: As for money I can see no way the likes of m0o or Space Invaders can keep themselves in battleships considering they do not mine and such. As good as they may be they are bound to lose battleships now and again and given the rate with which they seek out fights I am hard pressed to see where all the money comes from without deep reserves (that are replenished). There were stories on this forum awhile back of a Space Invader member (I think) losing three battleships inside of one week and was on her fourth. Maybe that was apocryphal but no one gainsaid it. To me anyone who can acquire 4 batleships in one week is truly wealthy or their corp is.
There is a difference between losing 4 battleships in a week and acquiring 4 in a week and having 4 battleships due to hard (long time work) work in a hangar.
And believe me, some in m0o and SPVD are mining too. Maybe they are not using the obvious ways you are used to, but they are doing it. -- Stories: #1 --
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2004.02.10 23:07:00 -
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Quote: As for money I can see no way the likes of m0o or Space Invaders can keep themselves in battleships considering they do not mine and such. As good as they may be they are bound to lose battleships now and again and given the rate with which they seek out fights I am hard pressed to see where all the money comes from without deep reserves (that are replenished). There were stories on this forum awhile back of a Space Invader member (I think) losing three battleships inside of one week and was on her fourth. Maybe that was apocryphal but no one gainsaid it. To me anyone who can acquire 4 batleships in one week is truly wealthy or their corp is. ...
That would be *****Cat. PCat was here when I started the 2nd month. She was a trader from release all the way to becoming a pirate. Dunno how deep her pockets really are. But you have to account that the majority of her career in Eve is prolly still more as a Trader than a member of SI.
As for money...Well let's just say the difference between my insurance payout and building a new battleship plus insuring it fully again would mean about 30 or so battleships. Biggest factor is the time to aquire all the minerals.
So I keep a few battleships as spare
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.02.10 23:08:00 -
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Quote: i took "best at running away" to be a flamish "best at not dying"
'cause yeah we're generally good at that
Not my intention to be flamish. Frankly I do not understand everyone giving people grief at running away. OF COURSE people run away. Unless it is a fleet action or defense of something important it is just stupid to sit still when three battleships warp up on your mining cruiser.
Naturally pirates may expect a 'police' force to show and move them away. Naturally the police force tries to stack the deck in its favor. Running away is to be expected in the pirate's case. I have run into a few who must have warp stabs glued to every spot of his ship...clearly he meant to get away and while not getting the kill stunk I don't see how he was wrong to do it.
I for one have no ethical/moral trouble running through camps and have no intention of stopping to fight odds I couldn't hope to win against.
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Tesol Xarto
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Posted - 2004.02.10 23:14:00 -
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Edited by: Tesol Xarto on 10/02/2004 23:17:44 Edited by: Tesol Xarto on 10/02/2004 23:16:38 as i don't fully read your post, i hope i'm not writing ****.
==== i think eve is mostly about money, if you talk about beeing successful. ====
so you want to be rich. i don't know when you can call yourself rich in eve, but i'd say that you are well-going (grrr &º"&%/ vocabulary) when you can buy yourself more than one BS. so atm i'm have one BS and i still have *money* (enough ). I have been once in a bigger corp, but as it got abbandoned shortly after, i never got anything from that. So one could ask why i have *enough* money... You have to take advantage of situations. At pre-castor times one could make loads of money by buying nocxicum at 170-190isk and setting selling orders at stations, but npc got more intelligent [;)]. Just after Castor i got *rich* by making missions and selling the T2-Stuff at 2x recycle-worth. I won't tell what i'm now doing; i think you guess why...
What i'm trying to say is that you *can* be successful w/o beeing in a alliance/pirate-corp. Of course, in that case, you usually won't have much pvp
i hope all this was understandable; if not read the sig....
edit: and as may corpmate statet: "i'm playing since beta. I never pirated. I seldom mine. I got PKed one time. I'm not in a big corp. I'm making money. I am having fun."
2nd edit: oh well, i lied i mine ======= WOTOK HAS NO BRAIN
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.02.10 23:33:00 -
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FWIW I do consider myself successful so far. I am not wildly wealthy but I pretty much have what I need when I need it and want for little. I was also lucky to fall in with a good bunch in the first corp I joined (and am still a member of). Our corp is growing slowly but nicely with a pretty good bunch of recruits trickling in. I am NOT whining that I am 'losing' the game. Bottom line is I am having fun mostly.
I however do not agree that the 'balance' is as good as some seem to think it is. Naturally those who are being very successful think things are peachy. And while there are some whining carebears I do not think all semi-reasonable folk in EVE see it as well balanced as some here do.
Just look at a map on any given day. Barring the mad scramble to find stations last night the vast majority of systems are uninhabited. Most everyone is lumped in the Empire. While no doubt some don't have the moxie to attempt deep space forays I assure plenty would IF there was a chance of making it reasonably profitable. The notion that gathering 4-5 battleships, 4-5 miners and a dozen haulers to make a 70j (roundtrip) run into deep space is close to absurd. While it can be done of course it just isn't workable most times and anything less than that wouldn't be any more profitable than spending the same time with 3 cruisers and a guard mining in 0.5 space. That of course assumes no ships are lost on this adventure.
As for insta-jumps I admit to using them btu as pirates are often fond of saying the game lets me so why is it wrong? Pirates use many 'loopholes' to their advantage. Indeed, setting those things up is a LOT of work. As such I highly doubt hundreds of people are whipping by camps in this manner. Some will but call it home-turf advantage. I know by watching others as I fly my routes that few are doing the same.
And quite honestly 90% of why I use the insta-jumps is because moving a hauler 60j when it goes all of 120 m/s is so painful as to be unbearable. Even if it was all in 1.0 space with a CONCORD fleet ahead of me and behind me and GM Uber ships guarding me I'd still use them if I had them. Surely even most pirates have experienced that and know what I am talking about and would do the same if they could. That it helps avoid getting ganked is to me truly just a side bonus.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.02.10 23:59:00 -
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I couldn't afford a BS until November, and I didn't get one until after castor. Saying that we're all rich is a bit off.
If you're basing this on the monetary claims of a few players, then that's your mistake right there. Stavros is no mere pirate, and most of his income is from legitimate sources, same with *****cat and several others. That does not mean 'pirates are rich' though. Nearly all my money has come from agent missions.
But then money is only replacement ships to me. Some people put a higher value on it.
And there are corps you've never heard of that have more money than you can imagine. .
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Tesol Xarto
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Posted - 2004.02.11 00:04:00 -
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Edited by: Tesol Xarto on 11/02/2004 00:05:16
Quote: But then MONEY is only replacement ships to me. Some people put a HIGHER VALUE on it.
gngngnnnnnnnnn MONEY... mine its alll mine, i want it all to be mine... gllllgrnnnbnnnnn MUUUAHAHAHAHAHA......
======= WOTOK HAS NO BRAIN
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Kaylan Vallus
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Posted - 2004.02.11 00:16:00 -
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Dude just to add to the "your so off list".
Most money - Not the Pirates. I know 1 player who showed me how much she had in her wallet. I can probably bet its more than all the pirates corps combined. Were talkin upper double digit Billions.
Highest ship Value total - Not pirates - How many Bships you own? I own 18 of em. Thats just me. Good try.
Best at PVP - Some pirates are great at it. Some are ok, and some just Suck. Same goes for the rest of eve. Since rats do fight more than the average miner player you'd think there would be alot more experts at it.
Best at Running away - Funny to see you slam your own occupation. There are more pirates who run away, cause most are damn broke and can't afford to see thier ships go boom.
Stretching game mechanics? If you only knew of the exploits that are possible that ppl don't use cause its kinda cheating sorta .
Best miners? Carebears? lol. Just cause some ppl mine don't stick em in the carebear category. Those are the same ppl who come out and fight ya. Get your terminology right bub.
Most profitable miners - Ppl who mine with BS. Don't matter what they mine or where. There pulling in millions and millions.
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Tesol Xarto
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Posted - 2004.02.11 00:20:00 -
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Quote: I own 18 of em. Thats just me. Good try.
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.02.11 00:27:00 -
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Quote: As for insta-jumps I admit to using them btu as pirates are often fond of saying the game lets me so why is it wrong?
Sorry for using the "because the game lets me" excuse. I think it is lame when others do it and I shouldn't have used it myself.
That said CCP did specifically look into stopping this and chose not to which they seemingly could have done easily. Given that I would say the insta-jump bookmarks are an ok option to use in CCP's eyes.
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Mon Palae
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Posted - 2004.02.11 00:36:00 -
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Quote: I know 1 player who showed me how much she had in her wallet. I can probably bet its more than all the pirates corps combined. Were talkin upper double digit Billions.
Highest ship Value total - Not pirates - How many Bships you own? I own 18 of em. Thats just me. Good try.
Upper double digit billions? 18 battleships in the hangar?
I would assume from your post saying that pirates don't have much money (comparitively) means you are not a pirate nor is your friend with the billions.
Maybe should apologize for the whole thread. Pirates are successful because of people like this who are hoarding money for no benefit I can see.
18 battelships with one person? Why? What use are they to you? Mining? Double digit upper billions? Of what use is that? You aren't saving for retirement in EVE, the money doesn't earn interest. With that kind of cash an alliance could be formed and outfitted with a hundred battleships and with that you could do almost as you please and still have lots of money left over. Or forget an alliance and start your own corp and do the same. The fun you and yours could have with this boggles the mind yet the money sits doing nothing.
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Tesol Xarto
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Posted - 2004.02.11 00:53:00 -
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simplified you ask in your last post, what the use of money in eve is/ or why anyone should try to get rich; if i get this right.
you could ask why do you play games, it won't get you anything in RL. i really don't understand your last post.
why do you try to get to level 50 in daoc... to be the killerdude.... why do yoa have xxxx BS in eve to be be the (eventually(?)) killerdude.
your postings differ from *whining*/*against* posts, but i really don't see your problem with EVE (or might it be that it is rather a mmorpg-prob?)
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Zeldania
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Posted - 2004.02.11 00:54:00 -
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Um why should the person with billion from an alliance or give the money away or what not??
Obviousely they worked their butt off, so if they want to sit on it thats there choice.
As for the 18 battleships, again they are his possession, obviousely they are doing him some good.
Personally I have plenty of money and ships for my needs. It's not a crime to be successful or to have alot of ships. The weathy dont always have to subsidize the less fortunate....
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Leitari
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Posted - 2004.02.11 00:59:00 -
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Mon Palae... go end yourself, you dont know anything. Pirating isnt profitable, and dont call everyone a pirate that shoots everything that moves, that isnt pirating.
Pirates do not hold any territory for long, they do not have the numbers for it....... why am I even bothering answering such a carebear miner such as yourself. REVOKE HIS FORUM ACCESS PLZ.
Here, Only the silent survive.
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Tesol Xarto
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Posted - 2004.02.11 01:03:00 -
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Edited by: Tesol Xarto on 11/02/2004 01:06:38
Quote: ... why am I even bothering answering such a carebear miner such as yourself. REVOKE HIS FORUM ACCESS PLZ.
i didn't read much of Mon Palae's first posting, but this part of your posting is pure bull****.... the only effect of your answer is, that more people will think that pirates/non-careblabla will get 'hated'..... ======= WOTOK HAS NO BRAIN
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