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Dylanari	Posted - 2007.09.07 08:33:00 - [1] Ammar pilots all over the forums really push the Armageddon as the definitive BS to fly. From the statistics the Apoc seems way better at least on paper. Any reason why the Geddon would be the prefered choice over the Apoc? (I have yet to reach BS thats why Im wondering)
Markus Aurelian	Posted - 2007.09.07 08:40:00 - [2] the apoc isnt better on paper. the geddon has a cap bonus to laser bonus just like the apoc, but it has a ROF bonus and a big dronebay, meaning it is an excellent pulse boat. the apoc has 2 cap bonuses, so...its a good smartbomb setup? the apoc would be a decent fleet ship if it wasnt outclassed by the abaddon (although it can fire for a lot longer without capping out). in any case, the apoc lacks a real role other than "i got 99 problem but cappin out aint one". Meatwad FTW
Dylanari	Posted - 2007.09.07 08:57:00 - [3] So you're telling me that the Apoc has no decent setups available? So why the hell is it so damn overpriced?
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try	Posted - 2007.09.07 09:00:00 - [4] Apoc are good tanks and mission boats. I personally only fly Apoc in missions, and it kicks ass. Geddon is the better PvP boat though, as damage is everything in PvP.
Chronos VIII Amarr Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.09.07 09:01:00 - [5] Originally by: Dylanari So you're telling me that the Apoc has no decent setups available? So why the hell is it so damn overpriced? Because of the gazzlions of missions runners
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2007.09.07 09:02:00 - [6] The Apoc is considered by the majority of players to be the weakest BS in the game. Seriously, we had a whole thread about it and tallied the results. Its cost is a result of the mineral requirements being higher. Not much demand for 'em to inflate it.
Tassi Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.09.07 09:05:00 - [7] Geddon, all the way. I even prefer the geddon over the abaddon, cheaper/less sig radius/more agile/less cap dependent. Originally by: fire 59 i don't know of any bobs that have cheated
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.09.07 09:07:00 - [8] Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 07/09/2007 09:07:47 Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad The Apoc is considered by the majority of players to be the weakest BS in the game. Seriously, we had a whole thread about it and tallied the results. Its cost is a result of the mineral requirements being higher. Not much demand for 'em to inflate it. This. It is Geddon for PvP, Abaddon for PvE, and Apoc for... well, mining, smartbombing and neutnosing I guess... Apoc really needs a healthy dose of Khanid Mk. II There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Sidephex New Dawn Rising The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.09.07 10:47:00 - [9] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Apoc really needs a healthy dose of Khanid Mk. II geez, if it gets that im gonna cry.
PhantomVyper Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.07 10:54:00 - [10] Originally by: Dylanari So you're telling me that the Apoc has no decent setups available? So why the hell is it so damn overpriced? What do you mean overpriced?! You can get an Apoc for a bit more than 80 mill! Considering that the max insurance payout is 110 mill you could almost self-destruct them for profit... It doesn't come any cheaper than this when BSs are concerned. And I agree, the Apoc should really get some love since its completelly made redundant by both the Geddon and the Abaddon. Either turn it into a missile boat as a stepping stone to Khanid (the fake that was floating around this forums was to drool for!), make it a bigger version of the Arbi or some other thing or just give up and give it a mining bonus...

Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.07 11:04:00 - [11] There's some quite nice Apoc setups out there, for example the one with 8x T2 800mms and a MWD Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
LeMoose The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.09.07 12:44:00 - [12] Originally by: Rodj Blake There's some quite nice Apoc setups out there, for example the one with 8x T2 800mms and a MWD doesnt that kinda imply that it is broken Caldari ships \| PVP \| Success \| Solo (Pick 3)
kessah Blood Corsair's The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.09.07 12:51:00 - [13] il be honest here its a terrible ship, but i have actually found a setup thats pretty bloody good and i think its my favourite ship atm... -------------------------------------------------------- [Video] Forever Pirate 3
Jonny JoJo	Posted - 2007.09.07 12:56:00 - [14]
Julio Torres Chosen Path FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.07 12:57:00 - [15] Apoc is the best fleet sniper BS. Abbadon, runs out of cap almost instantly with 8x tachs. Armageddon, 1 mid slot short. Apocalypse, MWD + 2x SB + TC and no tachy issues. Tracking Computer > Tracking Enhancer.
Sikiros Novaken	Posted - 2007.09.07 15:10:00 - [16] Some players forget that pvp is not the only aspect of the game. The Geddon is favored for PvP by amarr pilots because its cheap by battleship standards and has high dps. The Apoc as poor dps by battleship standards, but with the right setup/gear you can double rep and fire the guns not just untill the cows come home, but untill the cows evolve a language, develope technology, rediscover the eve gate, and fly to Jita all on their own. This makes it an excellent mission runner, as mission are more about the ability to mount a sustained defence, rather than the massive offence and buffer tank approach favored in pvp. Another part of the reason that the Apoc is often overlooked now is that when the tier3 bs came out it was outclassed for some purposes by the new Abbadon. All three Amarr battleships are turret laser ships. Other races have more diversity in bs design, and thus more clearly defined roles. Caldari, for example, very clearly have a missile bs, an ewar bs, and a railgun sniper bs. Because all the Amarr bs are based on laser turrets, its hard to find a clear role for the Apoc that the other ships cant do to some extent as well.
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.09.07 16:07:00 - [17] An apoc with projectiles is pretty tough. Whole lot of free cap to sink into a tank.
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers	Posted - 2007.09.07 17:41:00 - [18] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 07/09/2007 09:07:47 Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad The Apoc is considered by the majority of players to be the weakest BS in the game. Seriously, we had a whole thread about it and tallied the results. Its cost is a result of the mineral requirements being higher. Not much demand for 'em to inflate it. This. It is Geddon for PvP, Abaddon for PvE, and Apoc for... well, mining, smartbombing and neutnosing I guess... Apoc really needs a healthy dose of Khanid Mk. II On this? Aside from price why is the Apoc better for mining than the abaddon?
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.07 18:44:00 - [19] The cap bonus on the apoc makes stable tank and 8x miner II possible, of course, if you bs mine in high sec (lol) the abbadon would be better. It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers	Posted - 2007.09.07 19:03:00 - [20] Originally by: Dristra The cap bonus on the apoc makes stable tank and 8x miner II possible, of course, if you bs mine in high sec (lol) the abbadon would be better. Wouldn't CCC rigs accomplish that as well? I mean I use my mission ship to mine occasionally, and that has 3xCCC rigs anyway.

Aferah	Posted - 2007.09.07 19:08:00 - [21] geddon cheaper yes better dps yes more drones yes cap issues YES i dont have L t2 pulses but i do fly with t2 large beams in fleet i did go for geddon first but... to fit 6 t2 tachyons mwd, 1600 plate wow hard hard hard :D plus when i shoot pos or enemy i could shoot for 2-3 min then run out of cap with apoc i can fit all and more easy, no pgu x2 ro crap like that, plus i can shoot way longer w/o running out of cap geddon more dps sure but 3 primaries and u out of it, apoc way longer so total dps over 5 minutes is greater on apoc ...... abbbadon really never tried. solo, small gangs, prolly ill use geddon with t2 pulses willc about that but fleet apoc apoc apoc
Ris Dnalor Minmatar Union Enterprises	Posted - 2007.09.08 20:18:00 - [22] the apoc is a good low sec mining ship :) -- Talking in Circles is more dizzying than walking in them... Tralala
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.09.08 20:36:00 - [23] Geddon for gankage, Abaddon for sniperage, Apoc for laughage.
Gunny Fisher VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.09.09 00:09:00 - [24] Originally by: Aferah geddon cheaper yes better dps yes more drones yes cap issues YES i dont have L t2 pulses but i do fly with t2 large beams in fleet i did go for geddon first but... to fit 6 t2 tachyons mwd, 1600 plate wow hard hard hard :D plus when i shoot pos or enemy i could shoot for 2-3 min then run out of cap with apoc i can fit all and more easy, no pgu x2 ro crap like that, plus i can shoot way longer w/o running out of cap geddon more dps sure but 3 primaries and u out of it, apoc way longer so total dps over 5 minutes is greater on apoc ...... abbbadon really never tried. solo, small gangs, prolly ill use geddon with t2 pulses willc about that but fleet apoc apoc apoc 7 beam II's 2 tech II sensor boosters 1 named MWD 1 RCU II 1 PDU II 2 HS II's beta cap relay 3 TE II's bling! Audri Fisher when Some asshat starts taking loans out in his name and he has to freeze his bank account, so Audri can't be used.
Chainsaw Plankton	Posted - 2007.09.09 00:37:00 - [25] apoc should cost 85-95mil because thats what it costs to build. 10% rof bonus, 125m3 drone bay, cheaper although i do hear good things about the apoc and beams. and its about 50mil cheaper than an abaddon. although abaddon with 6 tachs, and dual reps fits nicely. or 8 megapulse and dual reps.
Rudy Metallo Feral Instinct	Posted - 2007.09.09 04:18:00 - [26] Originally by: Julio Torres Apoc is the best fleet sniper BS. Rokh, Maelstrom, Tempest... Say what?
Avalira Caldari Confederation of Independent Corporations	Posted - 2007.09.09 04:21:00 - [27] I would recon the Apoc be a good cap warfare BS given the huge capacitor it has.
Chainsaw Plankton	Posted - 2007.09.09 07:05:00 - [28] Originally by: Rudy Metallo Originally by: Julio Torres Apoc is the best fleet sniper BS. Rokh, Maelstrom, Tempest... think that was out of the amarr battleships.
EvilPhog Amarr Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.09.09 08:55:00 - [29] I favour the apoc out of the other 3 Amarr BS for sniping. It is probably the most balanced out of the 3 to maximise efficiency. [a] It isn't really expensive like the Abaddon and doesn't need 3 x CCC rigs to keep it running. [b] Able to fit 7 Tachyons with 1 RCU II with a mwd. [c] Has 4 mid-slots so mwd, tracking comp, 2 sensor boosters. [d] Able to run cap-hungry tachyons for extended period of time. [e] Can fit on a fair armour HP buffer so you can take a little heat while hammering the lagged out warp button to safespot in fleet battle. [f] Has a nice alpha strike (counts more than DPS in a fleet battle... if you're worth your toffee that is! ) [g] Drone bay is able to fit 5 medium drones and 5 light drones. (I personally go for 5 medium armour rep bots for repping others after the battle and 5 warriors or other light drones for scaring off some of the less competent tacklers). [h] Seleene flies one on his alt so that's good enough for me!


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