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Lich Lord Venetrax Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.01.18 21:50:00 - [1] - Quote I was just wondering how can you manage Lv4 missions with the DPS of a Loki or Drake, max I'm able to do on EFT is around 300DPS but it sounds hard to pull down enemy BS with such low damage....so I'm gonna ask how do you do it? Thx^^
XXSketchxx Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 107	Posted - 2012.01.18 21:55:00 - [2] - Quote Lich Lord Venetrax wrote: I was just wondering how can you manage Lv4 missions with the DPS of a Loki or Drake, max I'm able to do on EFT is around 300DPS but it sounds hard to pull down enemy BS with such low damage....so I'm gonna ask how do you do it? Thx^^ With better fits than what you're EFT warrioring. I'm guessing you're doing those super awesome passive recharge fits where you use all the low slots for tanking?
Lich Lord Venetrax Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.01.18 22:00:00 - [3] - Quote XXSketchxx wrote: Lich Lord Venetrax wrote: I was just wondering how can you manage Lv4 missions with the DPS of a Loki or Drake, max I'm able to do on EFT is around 300DPS but it sounds hard to pull down enemy BS with such low damage....so I'm gonna ask how do you do it? Thx^^ With better fits than what you're EFT warrioring. I'm guessing you're doing those super awesome passive recharge fits where you use all the low slots for tanking? Give me one then, nope for Loki I use low for 4 gyro
Svodola Darkfury Hellstorm Inc 0	Posted - 2012.01.18 22:02:00 - [4] - Quote You should be getting significantly higher damage out of T3 fits with proper skills/fitting. Drake I'm assuming you're using non-t2 or faction launchers, which means the dps drop is gigantic. My WH drake can run 500 omni tank and just under 400 dps (about 400 with 3% ROF/dmg implants) and the huge jump in DPS I got from it was finally get T2 heavy missile launchers and then using Scourge Fury ammo. You only use the scourge fury for Cruisers or bigger (even against cruisers you're taking a minor dps hit). The fit isn't in front of me at the moment but I think its: Highs: 7x Heavy Missile IIs w/ Scourge Fury for beefy targets, precision or caldari navy scourge for smaller targets. Mids: 2x invuln II, 3x LSE II, 1x Shield Recharger II Lows: 2x SPR II, 2x BCS II Rigs: 3x Med Core Defence Field Purger Is The fit is going to be very tight on powergrid without either Advanced Weapon upgrades 5 or Shield Upgrades 5. If you can't fit it, swap out a LSE II for a Shield Recharger II for a modest tank loss. Also requires a 3% cpu implant even with good skills. For missions you'd swap out the invulns for mission specific hardeners and be able to take just about any level 4 with careful pulling. And as usual, if you need more tank for a mission, pull the BCS's out for SPRs.
XXSketchxx Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 107	Posted - 2012.01.18 22:04:00 - [5] - Quote Lich Lord Venetrax wrote: XXSketchxx wrote: Lich Lord Venetrax wrote: I was just wondering how can you manage Lv4 missions with the DPS of a Loki or Drake, max I'm able to do on EFT is around 300DPS but it sounds hard to pull down enemy BS with such low damage....so I'm gonna ask how do you do it? Thx^^ With better fits than what you're EFT warrioring. I'm guessing you're doing those super awesome passive recharge fits where you use all the low slots for tanking? Give me one then, nope for Loki I use low for 4 gyro Figure it out yourself or go to ships and modules. This isn't a charity zone.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 299	Posted - 2012.01.18 22:09:00 - [6] - Quote Three gyros: [Loki, mishins] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Loki Defensive - Amplification Node Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Hobgoblin II x5 Better range/damage application: [Loki, Sansha - Logu] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Heat Dissipation Field II Photon Scattering Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Dread Guristas Large Shield Booster 10MN Afterburner II 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Electronics - Tactical Targeting Network Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Loki Offensive - Hardpoint Efficiency Configuration Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Hammerhead II x4 Hobgoblin II x5 Oh look, a Drake: [Drake, better mishin drake more gank] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Shield Recharger II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN Afterburner II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Hobgoblin II x5 Oh look, a silly Drake: [Drake, stupid mishin drake full gank] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Shield Boost Amplifier II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Domination 10MN Afterburner Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile [empty high slot] Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Hobgoblin II x5 Those all break 400 easily without drones.
stoicfaux 654	Posted - 2012.01.18 22:09:00 - [7] - Quote XXSketchxx wrote: Figure it out yourself or go to ships and modules. This isn't a charity zone. I'm a bit rusty, but let me see if I can translate from ******* to Helpful: Try 'google'ing "eve level 4 drake mission running fit" or some equivalent. It should turn up hits from previous threads on the subject. You can also try Battleclinic which has rated fits: http://eve.battleclinic.com/browse_loadouts.php?mode=date Alternately, be patient and someone (nice) will probably post a fitting or three. You can tell me what is and isn't true when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
Lich Lord Venetrax Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2012.01.18 22:09:00 - [8] - Quote XXSketchxx wrote: Lich Lord Venetrax wrote: XXSketchxx wrote: Lich Lord Venetrax wrote: I was just wondering how can you manage Lv4 missions with the DPS of a Loki or Drake, max I'm able to do on EFT is around 300DPS but it sounds hard to pull down enemy BS with such low damage....so I'm gonna ask how do you do it? Thx^^ With better fits than what you're EFT warrioring. I'm guessing you're doing those super awesome passive recharge fits where you use all the low slots for tanking? Give me one then, nope for Loki I use low for 4 gyro Figure it out yourself or go to ships and modules. This isn't a charity zone. Then dont reply here cause the topic is about understanding it, not figure by myself moron.
Spineker 95	Posted - 2012.01.18 22:10:00 - [9] - Quote Drake and Level 4s would be insanely boring and slow. Would be much better off blitzing through the Level 3s. You can do it in a drake but ugh.
XXSketchxx Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 107	Posted - 2012.01.18 22:23:00 - [10] - Quote Lich Lord Venetrax wrote: Then dont reply here cause the topic is about understanding it, not figure by myself moron. how about next time you post the fits you've been working up (terribly) so we can help point out where you're mistaken, rather than begging for people to feed you for the night
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 140	Posted - 2012.01.18 22:24:00 - [11] - Quote I have done L4s with BCs but even with a 'cane it's stupidly boring and inefficient. Since the day I put my butt on a gank fit Mael they became certainly not boring and very efficient. Maybe you should do L3s with Drake and L4 with a battleship.
stoicfaux 654	Posted - 2012.01.18 22:35:00 - [12] - Quote Lich Lord Venetrax wrote: I was just wondering how can you manage Lv4 missions with the DPS of a Loki or Drake, max I'm able to do on EFT is around 300DPS but it sounds hard to pull down enemy BS with such low damage....so I'm gonna ask how do you do it? Thx^^ Generally speaking, try to fit 3-4 weapons mods in the lows (Gyrostabilizers, Ballistic Control Units, etc..) For guns, you'll want to fit Tracking Computers or Tracking Enhancers to increase your range and tracking. For missiles, you want Target Painters. Webs can help both types of weapons. Then you'll want a prop mod (a propulsion mod such as an AB or MWD.) You may then want to fit modules to improve targeting range, locking speed, and/or number of locks. Once you have gank maxed out, start taking away modules until you get a tank that will let you survive long enough to kill the mission NPCs down to a manageable level (e.g. gank is tank.) Couple of problems with your ship choices: a) Damage projection. The Loki uses medium guns with are relatively short ranged for a level 4 mission. Meaning, you'll waste a lot of time flying into range. (The 100km range and no damage degradation of HMLs is one reason why the Tengu is the "best" T3 at running Level 4s.) Using long range artillery guns isn't much better because they have lower DPS and a very slow RoF. b) Protection (aka tank.) The Drake is known for having a mighty passive tank. Unfortunately, fitting for a passive tank that can withstand level 4s requires giving up 'gank' modules. Lower DPS increases your mission times. A max gank, active tanked Drake can put out 532 DPS with kinetic missiles. tl;dr - Basically, you're boned. Train to fly a Tengu (712 DPS not counting implants.) Fly the Drake for it's tank while training up your gank skills and save for a Tengu. Fly a Loki because it's fun (not efficient) to go zoom zoom! You can tell me what is and isn't true when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
Goose99 710	Posted - 2012.01.18 22:38:00 - [13] - Quote He probably forgot to switch ammo in eft. 300 dps for drake, and 500 dps for tengu, sounds about right if you use non-kinetic missiles. Lol@Caldari bonus, it's the equivalent of 1/4 of a regular bonus.
Xenuria Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet 146	Posted - 2012.01.19 01:39:00 - [14] - Quote 983 DPS Proteus 1045 Damage Repaired per Cycle Can Tank ANY 2 Damage Types Can Tank 3 large Neut towers Can Tank level 5s... GET ON MY LEVEL
Katherine Starlight Apex Tech Xenogenesis Alliance 1	Posted - 2012.01.19 01:43:00 - [15] - Quote 709 DPS with T2 ammo but i shoot T1 that gives around 590, passive tanks all lvl4s till you kill off all incoming DPS, 708M/s perma AB (only thing that hurts you are webs frigs and cruisers). This is the Angel fit, it tanks the bonus room in AE lvl4 killing incoming DPS before hitting 60% shield where is starts to regen. [Tengu, PVE TENGU] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Large Shield Extender II Caldari Navy Explosion Dampening Field Caldari Navy Explosion Dampening Field Invulnerability Field II Gistum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Invulnerability Field II Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Heavy Missile Medium Core Defence Field Extender II Medium Core Defence Field Extender II Medium Core Defence Field Extender II Tengu Defensive - Supplemental Screening Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir but the best thing, its sort of not a oneshotkill for gankers, and is way cheaper than papertanks. Get two of theese tengus and lvl4s go so fast noctises cant even keep up salvaging. Why do so many think the thundercat cannot PVE and go with idiotic papertanks?, its more awesome in PVE than PVP.
Anya Ohaya School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 84	Posted - 2012.01.19 02:07:00 - [16] - Quote Katherine Starlight wrote: Why do so many think the thundercat cannot PVE and go with idiotic papertanks?, its more awesome in PVE than PVP. Drake teaches pilots to sit there and absorb damage. From what I understand of the Thundercat it doesn't have much long-term local tanking. You can't just pull all the aggro and sit there spamming missiles. You need speed tank and/or eliminate incoming DPS. (Or use RR like PL does in PVP).
Katherine Starlight Apex Tech Xenogenesis Alliance 2	Posted - 2012.01.19 04:27:00 - [17] - Quote Anya Ohaya wrote: Katherine Starlight wrote: Why do so many think the thundercat cannot PVE and go with idiotic papertanks?, its more awesome in PVE than PVP. Drake teaches pilots to sit there and absorb damage. From what I understand of the Thundercat it doesn't have much long-term local tanking. You can't just pull all the aggro and sit there spamming missiles. You need speed tank and/or eliminate incoming DPS. (Or use RR like PL does in PVP). It has a long term local tanking in missions, as long as you orbit something with the AB turned on, be it the beacon you warp in on in a pocket or a can. Unless its serpentis missions, then you can just sit there with full aggro spamming missiles. 400K+ EHP without implants against serpentis. Basicly you always have the AB turned on with the thundercat in missions, it is capstable. Its not hard to move around. Heck just orbit the next acceleration gate. also THUNDERCATS HOOOO
Firebolt145 The Hatchery Team Liquid 33	Posted - 2012.01.19 11:16:00 - [18] - Quote Drakes are very slow at completely killing lvl4's. But they are amazing at blitzing them. Not the best, but still amazing especially once you consider their price. Tengu is very good both ways. I don't know much about Loki.
Outz Xacto Echelon Munitions 5	Posted - 2012.01.19 16:43:00 - [19] - Quote Xenuria wrote: 983 DPS Proteus 1045 Damage Repaired per Cycle Can Tank ANY 2 Damage Types Can Tank 3 large Neut towers Can Tank level 5s... Huzzah for blaster boating! Would be semi interested in your setup to pass along to my hybrid loving friend. OP: Drake with proper missile SP can run L4s but as already pointed out, you're better off running multiple L3's. I've done most of the L4's in a drake and was thankful EVE has an ingame browser... cause I dont know how else I would have got through the boredom. With proper skills a Tengu can be easily fit to deal over 700dps, tank any L4, cap stable etc. Riggor riggings are your friend, you will not need a TP if you decide to use 2x T2 Riggors and Flare, and likely depending on the number of current frigs in a given wave or type of frigs you wont even need to change ammo types unless you just want to save some money on missiles...
Surge Roth Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2012.01.19 18:45:00 - [20] - Quote Spineker wrote: Drake and Level 4s would be insanely boring and slow. Would be much better off blitzing through the Level 3s. You can do it in a drake but ugh. Too bad a lot of people think the drake is some god send lvl 4 mission running machine with a tank impossible to penetrate in some of these nerf threads I've seen lately.
Nekopyat Nee-Co 14	Posted - 2012.01.19 20:34:00 - [21] - Quote Spineker wrote: Drake and Level 4s would be insanely boring and slow. Would be much better off blitzing through the Level 3s. You can do it in a drake but ugh. This is what I generally found. I did L4s in a pure passive tank drake at one point (T2, no active hardeners, DPS mods) and while I was able to complete them, it was slow and painful. I also tried doing L4s in a hurricane.... not very effective, but it was exciting to say the least.
Famble Three's a Crowd 260	Posted - 2012.01.19 22:06:00 - [22] - Quote Nekopyat wrote: Spineker wrote: Drake and Level 4s would be insanely boring and slow. Would be much better off blitzing through the Level 3s. You can do it in a drake but ugh. This is what I generally found. I did L4s in a pure passive tank drake at one point (T2, no active hardeners, DPS mods) and while I was able to complete them, it was slow and painful. I also tried doing L4s in a hurricane.... not very effective, but it was exciting to say the least. Back in the day I did L4's in my cane before I could fly BS's and you described my sentiments exactly. If anyone ever looks at you and says, "Hold my beer, watch this,"-á you're probably going to want to pay attention.
Anya Ohaya School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 84	Posted - 2012.01.20 00:28:00 - [23] - Quote Katherine Starlight wrote: Anya Ohaya wrote: Katherine Starlight wrote: Why do so many think the thundercat cannot PVE and go with idiotic papertanks?, its more awesome in PVE than PVP. Drake teaches pilots to sit there and absorb damage. From what I understand of the Thundercat it doesn't have much long-term local tanking. You can't just pull all the aggro and sit there spamming missiles. You need speed tank and/or eliminate incoming DPS. (Or use RR like PL does in PVP). It has a long term local tanking in missions, as long as you orbit something with the AB turned on, be it the beacon you warp in on in a pocket or a can. Unless its serpentis missions, then you can just sit there with full aggro spamming missiles. 400K+ EHP without implants against serpentis. Basicly you always have the AB turned on with the thundercat in missions, it is capstable. Its not hard to move around. Heck just orbit the next acceleration gate. also THUNDERCATS HOOOO Might have to try it. I like the idea of having a nice HP buffer, and not being a loot pinata.
Elistea G U N G N I R Y G G D R A S I L 36	Posted - 2012.01.20 09:10:00 - [24] - Quote "How can ppl do Lv4s with Strategic Cruisers or Drakes?" Slowly and painfully. Go for L4 behemoth --> Marauder
Carniflex StarHunt Broken Toys 8	Posted - 2012.01.20 12:11:00 - [25] - Quote Tengu is not that bad for L4 missions. Drake - I guess if you have rather good skills and dont overtank it it should be sort of adequate but TBH nothing to write home about. Whats best ofc depends on how you fly them, what kind of NPC's and what mission you are against, etc. Ability to sit in a hull and fit mods is just a start. A lot of "effectivity" comes from the fact how you are flying the ship -i.e., AFK ubertank vs. booster fueled gank ship, for example.
Mawnee Sleepless Knights Fallout Project 0	Posted - 2012.01.22 09:52:00 - [26] - Quote I do Lv 4 just fine in a Proteus. I was doing them ok with just the one medium A-type Rep and standard T2 stuff. My current fit was a bit more expensive but allows me to burn through without my tank wavering. I can sacrifice cap stability by tossing the cap power relay for a 2nd EANM, or tracking enhancer. But I usually just leave it like this and run everything. [Proteus, missions setup dual rep] Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer Centii A-Type Small Armor Repairer Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Shadow Serpentis Magnetic Field Stabilizer Dark Blood Capacitor Power Relay 10MN Afterburner II Large Capacitor Battery II Cap Recharger II Dread Guristas 250mm Railgun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Dread Guristas 250mm Railgun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Dread Guristas 250mm Railgun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Dread Guristas 250mm Railgun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Dread Guristas 250mm Railgun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Dread Guristas 250mm Railgun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier Proteus Offensive - Hybrid Propulsion Armature Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4487	Posted - 2012.01.22 10:41:00 - [27] - Quote Mawnee wrote: I do Lv 4 just fine in a Proteus. I was doing them ok with just the one medium A-type Rep and standard T2 stuff. May I suggest the Ishtar? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Mawnee Sleepless Knights Fallout Project 0	Posted - 2012.01.22 11:11:00 - [28] - Quote Tippia wrote: Mawnee wrote: I do Lv 4 just fine in a Proteus. I was doing them ok with just the one medium A-type Rep and standard T2 stuff. May I suggest the Ishtar? The OP was asking about strategic cruisers.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 4487	Posted - 2012.01.22 11:43:00 - [29] - Quote Mawnee wrote: Tippia wrote: Mawnee wrote: I do Lv 4 just fine in a Proteus. I was doing them ok with just the one medium A-type Rep and standard T2 stuff. May I suggest the Ishtar? The OP was asking about strategic cruisers. Yes, but the point is: if you have the skills to fly a strat cruiser, you have the skills to fly a HAC, and if you pick the Proteus as your strat cruiser of choice, you might as well get the Ishtar since it does the job better. It's a case of GÇ£why cross the river for waterGÇ¥. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs.
Mawnee Sleepless Knights Fallout Project 0	Posted - 2012.01.22 12:29:00 - [30] - Quote Tippia wrote: Mawnee wrote: Tippia wrote: Mawnee wrote: I do Lv 4 just fine in a Proteus. I was doing them ok with just the one medium A-type Rep and standard T2 stuff. May I suggest the Ishtar? The OP was asking about strategic cruisers. Yes, but the point is: if you have the skills to fly a strat cruiser, you have the skills to fly a HAC, and if you pick the Proteus as your strat cruiser of choice, you might as well get the Ishtar since it does the job better. It's a case of GÇ£why cross the river for waterGÇ¥. Because I dont want to drink the water everyone else is swimming in =P I have a multitude of ships set up for missions. I use whatever combat style suits my mood. It gets boring going on the interwebs to find and then using the current most popular ship for X :)

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