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Bellum Eternus Gallente Blood Corsair's The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.09.11 11:06:00 - [31] Can we get this thread locked? No need for it since we have the dev blog thread. [Video]Blood Corsairs - Day One
MITSUK0	Posted - 2007.09.11 11:45:00 - [32] lol boost. I suspect this is actualy gonna nerf some drones ships a bit, well not nerf, balance. Myrmidon can have its bandwidth restricted so it cant have a full flight of 5 ogres in space even if it can fit them in its bay. Hence drone bay = spare mediums. I get the feeling that drone bandwidth will be very much used to tailor the amount of dps it is possible to get out of a dronebay. Also I get a sneaking feeling this will impact fighter spam / assigned fighters... yay \o/
SiJira	Posted - 2007.09.11 11:51:00 - [33] amarr boost? ____ __ ________ _sig below_ devs and gms cant modify my sig if they tried! _lies above_ CCP Morpheus was here Morpheus Fails. You need colors!! -Kaemonn [yellow]Kaem
Nikol Kidman Sadistic Influence	Posted - 2007.09.11 11:54:00 - [34] minmatar and amarr also have ships with bigger drone bay than standard, for example typhoon 175m3, armageddon 150m3 etc.
Brodde Dim	Posted - 2007.09.11 12:03:00 - [35] Improving the drone AI could possibly be called a boost, but I think its more of a bug fix. And it helps all the races. The "Bandwidth" part is imho probably a small nerf to drone ships. I would think the idea is to limit what kind of drones you use on wich ship. The bandwidth will probably make it more effective to use 5x medium drones in a BC or cruiser, since a BW limit would limit the number of heavy drones to 2 or so.
VicturusTeSaluto	Posted - 2007.09.11 12:06:00 - [36] Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 11/09/2007 12:17:43 Originally by: Bellum Eternus Mark my words, this will be a nerf for the Myrmidon. (I could care less about the Myrm, I never fly one on TQ). It better not be, the myrm is perfectly fine after the nos nerf... It is a seriously limited ship because most of its damage has to come from drones due to the lack of a gun bonus. And the drones are fairly easily killed. The myrm is fine just as it is with no changes to be honest... The myrm doesn't need a nerf, the other tier 2 BC's just need buffing. But if you are right it is a good thing that I'm already training up for a 'cane. Better ship IMO. The fact that its DPS does not depend on drones makes it a lot more flexible than the myrm.
Trojanman190 Caldari Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.09.11 12:11:00 - [37] As long as the come when they are called... I really don't care what CCP does.
phalanxTW F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.09.11 12:16:00 - [38] "new constraint on drones" constraint = "boost" ... some of you haven't a clue
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Glauxian Brothers Ground Zeero	Posted - 2007.09.11 12:32:00 - [39] Does this also mean you can actually have a drone bay on a ship with 0 m3 drone space? Like many caldari cruisers for example.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.09.11 12:34:00 - [40] Some defender drones that take out missiles would be nice.
proffen	Posted - 2007.09.11 12:39:00 - [41] It's just a new way for ccp to render old skills useless and put in new ones that will do the same the old ones used to do. before we had skills that increased the number of drones you could control in space, they changed it and made the same skills give a damage boost instead, now they put in bandwidth (and im 100% sure, that it will come with new skill books that allow you to increase it as well) So basically the changes that are comming just tell us that to do as before we just have to train even more skills, that will be the major changes. Need more skills and SP invested in Drones to be able to do the same we do today. But that aside its a good idea in general, if ships in general get increased drone bays so people can carry a bigger variety of drones along with them and get a restriction to prevent those same ships to lanch more drones then they can today its all good and smooth. So a cruiser with 50M3 of drone bay today, COULD lanuch 2 heavies 5 Mediums or 5 Light would get a drone bay of 200 M3, but could not launch any more drones in the air at the same time even if it can carry 8 heavies. All in all a good change for all races even the ones to blind to see it
Xaldor	Posted - 2007.09.11 12:44:00 - [42] Originally by: Wendat Huron Some defender drones that take out missiles would be nice. Yeah, because missiles are obviously the most powerful weapons in the game. ;)
Zibun Ionic Minmatar Wings of Redemption Black Flag Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.11 12:46:00 - [43] Heck, I've hoped drone fix for 3 years, about a time! -Z Cloaca Maxima - The Sewage of Amarr Empire.
Koryvarn Amarr Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2007.09.11 12:48:00 - [44] The way I read it, is that the hardcap of 5 drones will be removed. You will now be able to control as many drones as you have bandwitdth for. This will mean that drone boats could potentially launch 20 light drones. Or 5 heavies. Or 10 mediums. Or perhaps 5 Ewar drones and 10 light combat drones. The goal probably isn't to make drone boats more overpowered, but to allow drone boats more flexibility. Imagine putting 20 warrior II's on a ceptor. That will teach the pesky bugger
Sheriff Jones Amarr Please Enter Password	Posted - 2007.09.11 12:51:00 - [45] Originally by: SiJira amarr boost? Shhhh! First rule of Boost Club, we don't talk about the Amarr Boost. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
proffen	Posted - 2007.09.11 12:55:00 - [46] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 11/09/2007 10:58:56 Originally by: Liu Kaskakka Originally by: Yakia TovilToba From Oveur's blog: Quote: bandwidth determines the number of drones you can control, allowing the dronebay to be considerably increased on drone ships, accommodating more waves or variety. Ubar? Ja![/b] Myrmidon with more than 5 t2 heavy drones + gungs + full tank ... sounds like ... what was the word ... right, "overpowered" ?? I don't think that means that u can have more than 5 drones out.. (even if the first line would indicate that). It does mean that shooting down the drones will be next to useless. The Myrmidon having to not have replacements if he was using Ogre IIs was a nice thing - you had to make a trade-off for the insane damage you get. Anything increasing drone bay sizes WILL be a buff to all drone-carrying ships. So, yes, it is a buff to Gallente droneships and it is a buff to larger ships which can all use drones. Technically Cpt, if a ship depends on drones and lauch their full drone bay in the air, you being able to shoot the drones would be the same as they being able to target your guns. That is offcourse if the ship is 100% dependant on drones for damage only, so just a theory. With bigger Drone bays the myrmidon could perhaps carry a coupple armor repping drones that would assist you when needed, or a webber, scrambler maybe a sentry or two. Bigger drone bays is an buff to fleets and a buff to people working as a team, and a nerf to people playing eve a solo player game. personally, i would ratehr see an option to load drones from cargo bays to drone bays with a delay to both offload and reload them, much like changing ammo or missles are today and keep the ships as they are today. having unloadable in space drone bay is much the same as we would have unloadable ammo bays for rounds and missles on the ships. drones are ammo for the ones depending on them or logistics for a fleet depending on them, nothing else.
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Glauxian Brothers Ground Zeero	Posted - 2007.09.11 13:01:00 - [47] Originally by: Koryvarn The way I read it, is that the hardcap of 5 drones will be removed. You will now be able to control as many drones as you have bandwitdth for. This will mean that drone boats could potentially launch 20 light drones. Or 5 heavies. Or 10 mediums. Or perhaps 5 Ewar drones and 10 light combat drones. The goal probably isn't to make drone boats more overpowered, but to allow drone boats more flexibility. Imagine putting 20 warrior II's on a ceptor. That will teach the pesky bugger If it would work that way I'm afraid it would be pretty overpowered, just check the dps 10 lights do compared to i.e. 5 mediums. Even now it's pretty freaked out that myrmidon can use 5 heavies. Imagine if it could use 10 mediums. I don't think they will increase number of drones you can control though. You can probably just increase drone bay and use certain amount of bandwith to control certain number of drones up to 5 maximum like described in some of previous posts. Basically it means that your 1 mil vexor can't mount 4 heavy drones anymore, because it has not enough bandwith.
proffen	Posted - 2007.09.11 13:11:00 - [48] Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn Originally by: Koryvarn The way I read it, is that the hardcap of 5 drones will be removed. You will now be able to control as many drones as you have bandwitdth for. This will mean that drone boats could potentially launch 20 light drones. Or 5 heavies. Or 10 mediums. Or perhaps 5 Ewar drones and 10 light combat drones. The goal probably isn't to make drone boats more overpowered, but to allow drone boats more flexibility. Imagine putting 20 warrior II's on a ceptor. That will teach the pesky bugger If it would work that way I'm afraid it would be pretty overpowered, just check the dps 10 lights do compared to i.e. 5 mediums. Even now it's pretty freaked out that myrmidon can use 5 heavies. Imagine if it could use 10 mediums. I don't think they will increase number of drones you can control though. You can probably just increase drone bay and use certain amount of bandwith to control certain number of drones up to 5 maximum like described in some of previous posts. Basically it means that your 1 mil vexor can't mount 4 heavy drones anymore, because it has not enough bandwith. It wont work that way, 5 drones in space will still remain as hard cap maximum. the bandwidth is to enforce todays number. the thorax have 50M3 drone bay now, it can lauch 2 heavies , 5 mediums or 5 small ones. now lets say it get 200m3 after the change with a bandwidth of 50, each heavy take away 25 bandwith each medium take 10 and each small one take 5. Even if it can fit 8 heavies in the bay it can only lauch 2 at the time just as before, or 5 mediums, although even if 5 small ones only take 25 bandwidth, it can not lauch above the 5 in space hardcap no matter what.
William DeMeo Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.09.11 13:59:00 - [49] It's a nerf to the myrm, stop cheering. Yarr
Contralto Gallente A Peaceful Mining Corp	Posted - 2007.09.11 14:11:00 - [50] So the consensus here seems to be that bandwidth increases Drone bays on all drone carriers but only allows a certain M3 of drones to be deployed at one time. something akin to the following (note: first figure for non drone specialized ships) Frigs with 5 to 15m3 deployed with 15 to 25m3 drone bay ie 1 to 3 lights Cruisers with 25 to 50m3 deployed with 50 to 100 m3 drone bay... 5 lights or med's Battlecruisers with 50 to 100m3 deployed with 75 to 175m3 drone bay....5 lights or 5 med's or 4 heavies Battleship with 75 to 125m3 deployed with 250 to 500m3 drone bay... The above is pure speculation ofc but will it mean that the only ship capable of fielding 5 heavies would be the Dominix? all the other BS use drones as a secondary weapon and would proboble use medium drones to kill close orbiters. Also what about the Ishtar would it also have 500m3 drone bay and 125m3 deploy capability? I wont even speculate on the new T2 BS drone carriers.
Presidente Gallente Pirate Hunters Inc Exa Nation	Posted - 2007.09.11 14:35:00 - [51] Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 11/09/2007 14:42:17 Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 11/09/2007 12:17:43 Originally by: Bellum Eternus Mark my words, this will be a nerf for the Myrmidon. (I could care less about the Myrm, I never fly one on TQ). It better not be, the myrm is perfectly fine after the nos nerf... It is a seriously limited ship because most of its damage has to come from drones due to the lack of a gun bonus. And the drones are fairly easily killed. The myrm is fine just as it is with no changes to be honest... The myrm doesn't need a nerf, the other tier 2 BC's just need buffing. But if you are right it is a good thing that I'm already training up for a 'cane. Better ship IMO. The fact that its DPS does not depend on drones makes it a lot more flexible than the myrm. As a strong skilled Myrm pilot I agree to that. If you face a pilot knowing how to deal with drones a Myrm pilot will have a hard time. We should not forget that the Myrm's primary damage dealer are just drones. If you lose them you are easy to kill. That's the fair counter-point for the opponent. Learn to kill them and don't scream for a nerf. I had a fight against a 2003 Pilgrim and it was tough for me to kill it. Using drones need close combat and concentration. With the NOS nerf the Myrm is more than fine IMO. Pres G +++ JOIN PAP +++
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.11 14:43:00 - [52] I dont understand what everyone is moaning about. Drone ships are easy to kill. you Kill them buy killing the DRONES. (SM, Missiles, or your own drones) Everyone keeps moaning about the drones, but they can be killed fairly easily. I'd like to see someone kill a ship by shooting down the bullets coming out of its turrets. no drone ship, be it domi, typhoon or myrm NEEDS A NERF. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Khandrish Caldari NYIT Gangstaz SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.11 15:04:00 - [53] Most people seem to be going the path of Bandwidth determining how many different types of drones can be fielded and maybe that is true but my first thoughts when I read the blog was more along the following lines. A frig's dronebay is increased to 50m3...now that would allow it to carry 5 mediums or 2 heavies, which can put out a lot of DPS for a frig. However, even as a drone carrying frig, that is more damage then they actually want it to put out. Drones are assigned a specific Bandwidth cost...lets say lights cost 10, mediums cost 25 and heavies cost 50 (numbers are just thrown out there.) Bandwidth on the frig is locked in at say...75. This would allow the ship's pilot to launch (with a max of 5 at all times) One heavy drone at 50 BW cost and one medium drone at 25 BW cost, for a total of 75. Alternately the pilot could field 3 medium drones for 75 cost, or two medium and two lights for a 70 BW cost. Or of course 5 lights for a 50BW cost...but as 5 drones are alreaded fielded the extra BW in this case is kinda wasted. This sort of setup would allow quite a bit of flexibility in the types and amounts of drones a ship could carry while still making sure even a small ship couldn't suddenly field a bunch of heavy drones and completely destroy a much slower, bigger ship. I suppose we will have to wait and see exactly what it is they have in mind but this is what came to mind when I read it.
Gregory TwiLight Inter Stellar Mining Syndicate Ethereal Spectrum Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.11 15:07:00 - [54] Edited by: Gregory TwiLight on 11/09/2007 15:07:53 The way I see it is say a light drone takes 5 bandwith a med takes 10 and a heavy takes 15 they give a Vexor say 50 bandwith to fly a full brace of 5 med drones. they would give the domi a bandwith of 75 so that it could fly a full brace of heavys then they could give other ships the bandwith they felt was what they should have to fly the number and size of drones CCP thinks that that ship should fly. In this way they could easly give the Myrm a 250-300m3 drone bay but if they only gave it a bandwith of 50 it could fly a full 5 meds or 3 heavys but have back ups. It would give CCP some flexibity to adjust the Number of drones ships could fly. but still have a hard cap of 5 drones.
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.09.11 15:12:00 - [55] huh? Galente need a boost??? wtf? Leave Gallente and Caldari Alone, they are fine they way they are!!.. Also Amarr could use a drone boost, their teir 3 BS could use a drone bonus
Grez Minmatar Sybrite Inc.	Posted - 2007.09.11 15:55:00 - [56] If anything, this is a boost to OTHER races. Gallente have always been able to field multiple drones on ships (just because you want to use heavies on a Vexor, doesn't mean you should, and I still believe drone sizes should be limited to ship sizes in some cases (lights - frigates and destroyers, mediums - cruisers and battlecruisers, etc, etc), but other races have only been able to field a handful, and when they're gone - there's no backup coming. This changes that so that now those non-specialised drone ships can at least field a fair few. Yes, drone specialised ships will get an increased as well, but all this does is give them more of what they already have. I know I for one, will love being able to field perhaps two waves of light drones on my Absolution now, instead of the single one. Bigger drone bay 4tw. ---
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red	Posted - 2007.09.11 17:37:00 - [57] The only thing I'm sad about is the loss of the ability to incapacite a (bad or out of scoop range ) pilot by killing his drones.
34534bobalt3244	Posted - 2007.09.18 12:13:00 - [58] Originally by: Cpt Branko The only thing I'm sad about is the loss of the ability to incapacite a (bad or out of scoop range ) pilot by killing his drones. Why not? There are more drones to kill that's all.

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