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CharlieMurphy
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.09.11 11:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Omega Sinner
It is bad what happened to this player..Not only was the isk that the item was bout with removed and the item not giving back being the rattlesnake faction bs..
But the player was then fined 1 bill isk for selling the item in the first place on open contract to a player he had no idea was buying it and was apperantly an known isk seller..
If the said toon who baught this faction bs is a known isk seller then why hasn't his account been banned before this incident ever took place..
If it was banned before hand there would be no problem and player would not be leaving for lose of items and isk because of inproperly trained GM's..
when did GMs start handing out fines? i thought they just removed "bad" isk, there are no fines
this whole thing looks very suspect indeed and it seems to me that there are 2 possibilitys here
1, the op isnt telling the complete story
2, a GM has robbed somebody of alot of isk
tbh its probably 1 but 2 would be more amusing  i hope the op will keep the forum updated on this
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CharlieMurphy
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.09.11 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: DayVV4lkEr
I have only 2 Questions:
1. How does it make any kind of sense to spend ISK on a Ship like a Rattlesnake for a ISK SELLER. or even how does it make sense that a ISK SELLER (!!!!) is spending ISK on anything.
2. If he is a known ISK Seller why isn't he god damn banned ?
something that has occured to me....
"why isnt he banned?" good question, if somebody is a known seller then why not? unless the message here is that buying isk is illigal but selling it is ok?
this leads me on to.. how do you prove real life currency has changed hands when a GM takes back a large amount of isk from a player? not speaking from personal experience ofcourse but i do beleive that isk sales are done with credit cards and i find it unlikely that CCP is contactng VISA or whoever and tracing transactions for proof ,so at the end of the day the GM is taking an educated guess
its strange that a GM can make this kind of guess over an issue like this that can totally ruin a players day/month or more and yet they cant make an educated guess over the likelyhood that you lost your ship to desync when there has just been a 500 man battle 
food for though
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CharlieMurphy
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.09.11 18:05:00 -
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and to those who say I'm not telling the whole story read it again..
well if things are as you have depicted them it sounds like you been scammed by a GM
if thats really whats happened... well the GM in question must be a bit thick as its so obviously tracable because every GM transaction in your wallet comes with an id number next to it so it can be identified
wrong doings or not, there are no "fines" by GMs
Originally by: Nyphur
If that is true, that GM needs to be fired. Contact Internal Affairs. I highly doubt that it IS true and you know as well as I do that the eve playerbase can't take your word for it and GMs aren't allowed to post and confirm/deny it here but if it is, contact internal affairs about it.
The forums are not the place for things like this.
keeping these things behind closed doors can only lead to speculation and rumour
why should this not be discussed openly ? if there is no dodgy business going on then i see no reason to hide the details
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CharlieMurphy
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.09.11 19:08:00 -
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the farmers are the ones that should be getting banned
CCP have shown they are able to track the movement of isk so why not track it back to the account that is actually producing it
it cant be very hard to tell the difference between an honest player and a farming account tbh
if all the farmers got banned every month they would soon give up and the whole isk for cash issue would mostly go away
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CharlieMurphy
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.09.11 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: CharlieMurphy on 11/09/2007 19:20:07
if there is any truth to Adeimantus Qirs post then that is absolutly shocking...
internal affairs?
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CharlieMurphy
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.09.13 08:25:00 -
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im taking your post at face value when i say this omax1 but i think thats a sad sitation for you and frankly i dont know how CCP could ever lose interest to the point that GMs can run rampant like that
after having to deal with GMs myself i have no faith in them whatsoever and truly beleive that they have no real interest in the players they deal with
when this thread started i would have said it was out of the question for a GM to rob a player like that and maybe even pocket the isk themself but as more and more people seem to be comming forward with similar tails it makes you wonder
Originally by: CCP Prism X
But that's why we have watchers who watch the watchers).
your talking about a system where the people who are handing out the punishments are the exact same people you have to ask to reconsider
who are GMs really accountable to? if i dont like the response i get i can ask for another GM and a new name materialises but i dont really know if its a different person or not
the idea of "escalating" petitions is nice enough and no doubt a comfort to people that have faith in the system but what does it really mean ? IA sounds all well and good but is it really anything more than a new name for the same failing system?
from personal experience i know that when you wont accept the response your given and you ask for a senior GM to look at the petition you can be put on hold for months
in omax1s case months of waiting is rather damaging to his gaming experience (like having billions wrongly removed for even a few days wasnt bad enough)
i wonder if it turns out that he didnt buy isk or knowingly trade with a "known seller" - who shouldnt even be in the game - will CCP be refunding him with some free game time?
banning the the farmers is the only solution to isk selling, you can pull up weeds from your garden again and again but they will keep returning until you poison the root
how much do you really care CCP?
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CharlieMurphy
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.09.13 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
I still cannot divulge any information about our methods. I'm bound by NDAs to not release any information that could be considered confidential information. This leads me to believe that you are all going to hate me from this day forward.
i wouldnt worry about it too much, it was nice that you took enough of an interest to post and try and help somebody out
Originally by: CCP Prism X
I'm absolutely certain that Sinner, and Sheylyn, acted on the best of intentions on behalf of their friend and I can only assume they didn't possess this information beforehand
some people would have been less kind on that score, but then again you would have to be monumentaly stupid to really try to bluff it out when your friend has over 10 bil of bought isk in his wallet
name and shame i say who was this "friend" and what alliance is he in ?
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CharlieMurphy
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.09.14 09:40:00 -
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hmmm there are still somethings about this that dont quite add up imo....
for starters 10 bil??? what kind of person buys that kind of isk? from what i can see thats $460 minimum, personally i think anybody that would spend that for game money is funny in the head
this NDA... i understand the reasons why there is one but for me the problem arises when somebody is accused of something and they say they didnt do it
the GM says yes you did and the next response is show me proof, perfectly natural thing to ask for... but NDA prevents us from showing proof - thats wrong, you cant accuse and then hide behind the NDA when asked to back up the accusation and my apologys to all the fanbois but "because the GM said so it must be truth" doesnt cut it
Omega Sinner... if this really was just a scam attempt to get somebodys ill gotten isk back i would have expected him to just go quietly away when the truth came out
but instead hes still here under all the flames and derision simply asking for proof - not really much to ask for imo and im sure that if it was one of you people flaming that had got banned you would be asking for proof aswell
now maybe the NDA prevents this proof being released to Omega but the "friend" will be back in 2 weeks and i feel hes entitiled to it, so maybe we will all find out then
in my mind there is only 1 way you can conclusively prove that isk has been bought and that is to prove that real life cash has changed hands and all the game logs in eve can never prove that
will be very interesting to see if the "friend" will step up and defend himself over this
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CharlieMurphy
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.09.14 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
Why? Who here has any right to this confidential information, or more importantly can establish a 'Need to know'?
the person who is being accused, like i said in 2 weeks time i expect the "friend" to come forward and put his own case as he is the only person with the right to hear the proof against him or with the right to share it with anybody else
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