|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 11 post(s) |
Grawshellar
   |
Posted - 2007.09.12 16:12:00 -
[1]
Heh, anyone else around when like 150 people ate a ban in SWG for getting credits given to them for no reason? Buncha people were banned for weeks because a few people had illicitly gained credits and were giving them to people as 'gifts' or supposed goodwill gestures to newbies.
Honestly, if someone in eve tossed me 1 bil I wouldn't do much aside from maybe contact them and say thanks, and asked why I deserved such a tip. Heck, in the past I've gotten a 50+mil bit of ISK given to me by a stranger when I was a n00b.
Now I guess instead of playing the game I get to spend my time second guessing where every ISK I acquire comes from, and worrying whether or not any market orders I put up get filled by ISK farmers or not.
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 16:21:00 -
[2]
 Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
If you sell your one unit of trit for one billion credits :P
Seriously,, the over-hyping this is getting. Quick ladies and gentlemen, grab your pitchforks and torches! Christ,,,,
It's due to the fact that the potential for abuse is staggering.
step 1: Go to friends house that doesn't play eve, set up a trial account with a fishy sounding email.
step 2: Buy ISK from a website.
step 3: Once you recieve it tip it to someone you dislike.
step 4: Repeat 3 days later.
Boom, someone gets a permaban or 2 marks to their account at the least, except in the very unlikely event that they report getting a gift of 100mil from someone, where most people would probably just smile and buy a shiny new BS instead of worrying over the ISKs true origin.
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 16:23:00 -
[3]
Edited by: Grawshellar on 12/09/2007 16:25:16
Originally by: Ki Tarra
If someone gave you 1 billion for no reason, then you would be stupid not to petition them if you intend to spend that ISK. If someone gave you 50 million out of the kindness of their heart, you have nothing to fear.
The biggest problem being that there is no guideline for this sort of thing, and 90% of the playerbase doesn't read the forums.
I can just see the tutorial now:
"And remember, be suspicious of any large donations from other players! Please report any ISK donations in excess of X number of ISK promptly!"
Would definitely set the mood for a pleasant gaming experience, eh?
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 16:29:00 -
[4]
Originally by: Ki Tarra
So how much real money are you willing to spend to ban your enemies?
I really haven't ever had the opportunity to make many enemies, mostly due to the fact that I enjoy getting blown up when taking on impossible fights :P
But with the level of meta-gaming that goes on I'm sure that it would be a possibility for someone. If people are willing to commit crimes (ie hacking) to get information, how much would they pay to get an enemy titan pilot baned?
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 16:45:00 -
[5]
Originally by: Ki Tarra
Quote:
"How much pain they have cost us, the evils which have never happened."
--Thomas Jefferson
What part of the appeals process has you confussed. Where is any indication that the appeals process has failed. Please site just one example. I am sure that Prism doesn't care if it was the OP's case or anyone elses. Just give us ONE case where the appeals process has failed to find the innocent to be innocent. Until we see that one case, we are in the relm of Thomas Jeffersons quote.
Not that I really feel that there are many, if any, banning of innocents, but wouldn't the victim of an unfair ban be unable to prove his innocence, and also unable to speak of it on this board? Seeing as they would be banned :P
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 17:20:00 -
[6]
Edited by: Grawshellar on 12/09/2007 17:24:01
Edited by: Grawshellar on 12/09/2007 17:22:43
Originally by: Ki Tarra
We keep talking about theorectic senarios. Give us one real world senario. Please, just one.
The nature of CCPs system is such that no one can realistically do this. People eat a ban, they can no longer discuss what happens. CCP doesn't release the information. This is pretty simple:
1.) Unless the person themselves personally experienced this, then its hearsay secondhand, thus not a good example.
2.) If the person experienced this, they can't post here to give their own scenario as an example.
If you're just looking for a secondhand account the OP seems to feel he has one. His lack of response seems to imply that maybe he's not as confident in his information now that a higher-up has offered to look into it though :P
EDIT: Also, I don't know 99.5% of the players in this game. Saying something didn't happen because you haven't seen it seems pretty silly :P Obviously protests of innocence happens enough that there is a system in place to deal with them, and obviously there have been enough false bannings to warrant such a system. From there is is such a large jump to say there has likely been a false banning, or mroe then one?
FRUTEHR EDIT: Furthermore, me coming forward with one such example and having Prism disprove it doesn't mean jack, you can't examine one case and conclude from it that all such cases must be similar.
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 17:38:00 -
[7]
Originally by: Ki Tarra
I will accept second hand, provided that a character name is specified, and that the information is infact second hand and not third, forth, etc...
Like you said, the OP doesn't seem so confident now with an offer for an open review.
Maybe now he sees the real reason for CCP's privacy policy. It is not to protect CCP, it is to protect the players. Would you really want your guilt made public?
Give the reason that Prism gave for offering to do an open review, I bet he would transfer his one time offer to anyone who stepped forward, just as a one time case study that everyone could reference to see the next time a thread like this starts up.
As yet, there has not been anyone who has stood by there claim in an open review. Everytime some has claimed that they were wronged due to an GM ruling regarding ISK purchasing, either they have not followed the escallation path, or they did something outside the standard frame work that voided their innocence.
We now have an opportunity to prove otherwise, but nobody is coming forward.
People wrongly banned are unlikely to visit here to know that their friend has a chance to plead their case, and the fact that the majority of players don't bother to read the occasional random thread on the board makes this unlikely.
I'd be more interested to hear CCP Prisms' opinion on the possibility of unwarranted bans, or of past bans that were only caught much after the fact due to circumstances. I doubt that he would be able to say much though, which I would consider telling.
Seriously, IRL courts convict and JAIL people for life wrongfully, you seriously think that the gm team bats 100%?
You're quite the optimist :P
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 18:19:00 -
[8]
Just a question, when did "ways to avoid getting wrongfully banned" come under the heading of common sense?
Thats similar to assuming that "ways not to get framed" is common sense.
Not something that enough people are concerned with the really fit in that category in my opinion.
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 18:26:00 -
[9]
Originally by: Ki Tarra
How about ways to not look like your laundering drug money as common sense. Don't know a lot of real life people who are wrongfully conficted of laundering drug money and the real life justice system is much less forgiving than the appeals process in place with CCP.
I'm screwed, how do I avoid looking like I'm laundering drug money in real life?
Still, knowing that the justice system doesn't bat 100%, why are you so adamant in assuming that CCP does? Is the investigations into ISK sellers more thorough? Are CCP investigators more competent then criminal investigators?
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 18:36:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Ki Tarra
CCP doesn't bat at 100%, but with 3 or 4 swings, not alot of innocents are going to get hurt. More of a problem is that too many of the guilty will get away.
I am still having a hard time understanding where the paranoia about having your stuff taken by a GM comes from. I really don't understand you fear. Of course they can take it all away, but why would they, if there was any reasonable doubt that you were a victum and not a cheat.
I, personal, am protected by the best system known to man against this sort of issue. I am dirt poor, I don't have 2 ISK to rub together 99.9% of the time.
However, you're adamant denial that CCP could ever make a mistake across the last what, 4 pages, led me to seek an admission that there is a possibility of an error. The reason people are afraid is simple:
1.) People have stuff they earned.
2.) People like to keep stuff they earned.
3.) Story pops up where supposedly someone had their rightfully earned stuff taken away.
4.) OMG sky is falling!11!! They might take my stuff too!
|
|
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 18:43:00 -
[11]
Originally by: CCP Prism X
My offer to the OP stands but I will not respond here again. I'm only human aswell, flawed by nature, and can only take so much.
Sorry Prism, server down so arguing silly points is an entertaining way to pass the time, not trying to make it personal against CCP, you guys have always seemed to handle situations with more care then most other companies.
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 18:59:00 -
[12]
Edited by: Grawshellar on 12/09/2007 18:59:09
Yeah, wouldn't even have said much, but watched IRL as a friend ate a ban in another game for no reason, with all appeals failing. Since then the assumption that there are never mistakes made on any game owners part doesn't sit too well with me.
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 19:07:00 -
[13]
Edited by: Grawshellar on 12/09/2007 19:07:50
Originally by: Cpt Fina
Originally by: CCP Prism X
We don't do mistakes intentionally. I can't promise, on the behalf of others, that they'll become perfect human beings just because mistakes are unacceptable to those who never make them.
Don't worry, with the blurry guidelines given you'd probably never have to admit comitting a mistake in this matter and GMs will have a very liberal definition of offenders to apply.
Thats awesome, the way someone hangs their head and you keep kicking them in the ribs like that, can I get lessons 
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 19:17:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Cpt Fina
PrismX offered to help the OP, which is great.
However, he didn't show any willingness to address this issue which he referred to as "hysteria". That really makes me feel that IĈm being taken seriously and with respect.
Even though Prismx isn't going to read this thread anymore doesn't mean that the subjectis obsolete.
He came right out and said that they have guidelines to differentiate between ISK sellers and scammers.
He said there are checks in place to prevent wrongful banning to the best of their abilities.
He also said he couldn't disclose much information so as to avoid giving the ISK sellers too much information.
I don't know what else he could do, at this point you either take it on faith that they care enough to be careful to avoid wrongful banning, or you don't.
It's pretty much that simple.
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 19:18:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Epong
Originally by: CCP Prism X
...Of course we're not going to ban you for selling Veldspar...
1)Thx god...
Isn't that Chribba's line?
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 19:33:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
I sell an item for 360000 but I notice that someone is selling the same thing for 36000000. Now I have had this happen to me twice. For some strange reason (bug) the person selects my item to buy but instead they end up paying the 36000000 amount! Seriously. It has happened to me twice since I've started a year ago.
It was a wonderful surprise. But now I could be looked at as an isk launderer for a bug that was caused by CCP!
.. But you haven't been, maybe because they look for stuff like this and know that the market does funny things? :P
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 19:37:00 -
[17]
Originally by: Fitz VonHeise
Originally by: Grawshellar
.. But you haven't been, maybe because they look for stuff like this and know that the market does funny things? :P
Probably... and I guess they would have to see a large number of strange trasactions like that before they would conclude a person was an isk launderer. (At least one would hope they did)
Well, you already know it takes more then 2 :P
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 19:42:00 -
[18]
Originally by: Cpt Fina
Yeah I agree it's pretty much that simple. If you get banned you'll just have to trust that CCP have gathered enough evidence, which you're not aware of, to come to the conclusion that you are an iskbuyer, which you may not be in control of.
I don't really know where to go from there. At this point if you're concerned with getting a ban in this manner, you have to be one of those people who are constantly afraid of getting struck by lightning.
You know the basics of what to avoid, but you have no way to SPECIFICALLY know where to stand to assure you don't get fried.
If you want to walk in the rain, you gotta risk it.
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 20:20:00 -
[19]
Originally by: Cpt Fina
No, I'm one of those people who recognizes (what he think is) injustice and fights it even though it haven't had an impact on him yet. Much like males that are active in the women-rights movement.
"SPECIFICALLY"? The guidelines provided are very vague.
Vague guidelines will give GMs great freedom when accusing someone of buying isk and will restrict players who want to confront the accusations.
CCP is banning players for the greater good for the community but will not provide clear rules for the community of how not to get banned.
There are a lot of causes to champion in this world, this is the one you pick?
Although I hate to fall back to an argument that I previously fought against, we've yet to see anyone yet come forward with a claim of being unfairly treated who followed the basic rules we do know. Even the OP who started this trainwreck of a thread decided that once the thread passed the "rabble rabble" point and help was offered he'd bow out and keep quiet :P
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 20:41:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Cpt Fina
Again: The problem isn't that innocent people are getting punished. The problem is that it's too hard to avoid fulfilling CCP's criteria of being a guilty person.
Heh, how do you know how hard it is to avoid fulfilling their criteria, GIVEN THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS :P
Simple answer, is you can't.
You need to argue that not knowing their criteria causes undue strain on you or some ****e like that, to really have a point here.
Fact is, we've yet to hear from the "wrongfully accused". We've heard from 2 people, one who has so far refused help in the matter, and another who was likely selling GTCs in an insecure manner.
|
|
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 20:54:00 -
[21]
YOU: The problem is that it's too hard to avoid fulfilling CCP's criteria of being a guilty person.
ME: This can't be the problem. You couldn't possibly know if this was a problem. It might be HORRIBLY EASY to avoid fulfilling their criteria.
YOU: My point exactly?????
Please explain
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 21:23:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Cpt Fina
Nice misquote.
YOU: The problem is that it's too hard to avoid fulfilling CCP's criteria of being a guilty person.
ME: Heh, how do you know how hard it is to avoid fulfilling their criteria, GIVEN THAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS
YOU: Thank you for proving my point.
Please explain
Not really sure how this really changes things, I was trying to put it in simpler format.
****
You claim the guidelines are insufficient, and because of this we are all at risk of being caught as isk buyers, based on the fact that it is easy to fulfill their criteria of an isk buyer.
No amount of restating this makes up for the fact that this is not a fact. You make the assumption that it is easy to be mislabeled as an isk buyer.
This is not a fact. The exact thing you stated as the problem is built on a possibly false assumption.
***
That point aside, what is your goal here?
If your whole point is to get a list of guidelines that will assured you are not labeled as an ISK buyer, you're dreaming. Releasing such a guide would defeat the purpose of the system. THOSE PEOPLE CAN READ THE FORUMS AND USE IT TOO. Its horribly obvious you cannot get such a thing.
So what do you hope to achieve?
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 21:59:00 -
[23]
Quote:
Of course we are going to ban you for selling 1 unit of Veldspar for half a billion ISK to a known ISK seller.
Quote:
Of course there are no magic numbers for when a transaction becomes suspect.
Those two lines, to you, indicate that being mislabeled as an isk buyer is easy? Did you have a nice bowl of paranoia for breakfast?
Here's a few basic assumptions I feel are justified, feel free to disagree.
1.) A broad criteria turning up hundreds of matches for potential ISK buyers would be impossible due to the manpower required to sort through it.
2.) Therefore a narrow criteria would be required so as to prevent eternal backlog, or the necessity of having 200 employees to sort through it all.
That right there pretty much takes care of it for me.
****
If you really want to achieve anything, how about, I dunno, starting a thread specifically to warn other people about ways to avoid being labeled an isk buyer, and maybe get feedback on what other peoples opinions are as well?
Heck, you might even get feedback on what is "common sense" in the eve community.
PS Screw it, thread located HERE
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 22:31:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Cpt Fina
What I'd like to see is a system in which legit players don't have to adjust their gameplay/make any sacrifices/get banned when fighting the isksellers.
People will draw the line differently. Some are willing to make sacrifices to fight "evil". Some will say that if the playerbase suffer from the war against isk-sellers the war is allready lost.
I'm sure that CCP would love such a system as well. Would most certainly make their CS jobs easier. Would stop the bad publicity that comes with banning an "innocents". the only reason I can imagine for such a system not to already be in place would be the fact that it is either impossible, or no one has figured out the proper way to implement it.
***
"Some are willing to make sacrifices to fight "evil". Some will say that if the playerbase suffer from the war against isk-sellers the war is allready lost."
A bad playwright searching desperately for a dramatic moment might indeed coerce one of his stars into say something along those lines. Most people would cut back on the drama :P There is no evil, and no war. There is simply two groups trying to make a buck, and a large group of people caught between the two. Unfortunately, we happen to be those people.
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 22:38:00 -
[25]
Edited by: Grawshellar on 12/09/2007 22:40:22
Originally by: Sheylyn
For everyones info the op has been busy working the last while and hasn't had a chance to respond.
So if I may the character that the OP was alking about is also a friend of mine, and I can give the info if the Dev is interested
I'd send it to him, he specifically said the offer was still open.
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 22:44:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
*sigh* another day, another time the OP and (even a lot of people here giving examples where they've been "Unfairly ruled against") has failed to prove their own innocence by debunking all isk-purchasing possibilities.
Haven't really got much else to say, the last two pages have just been inane theorycraft and definition-arguing.
/cheer for 4 useful pages followed by 4 pages of meaningless drivel!
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 22:53:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Cpt Fina
I think it's a matter of how big inpact CCP are willing to let thier fight against isk-buyers/sellers have on us players.
They probably could require more solid proof before a deciding to ban making it safer but catch less sellers.
Quote:
There is no evil and no war
I don't think isksellers are evil. That's why i wrote "evil"
But there is a war. Not an armed conflict but a war nonetheless 
I imagine they probably have people making discussion based on number of people isk sellers hurt vs number of people accidental bannings hurt :P Probably consult with other poeple in the field too, seeing as how all MMO's face the same problem and they all dislike RMT people.
As to a war, its not a war. One side doesn't fight back! CCP bans the isk sellers en masse, and all they can do is take it and try to recover and come back with a new account. Its more of a slaughter really, I definitely wouldn't refer to it as a war under any circumstance!
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 22:58:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Sheylyn
please excuse the dates as we are pst time
the character : Col pharao
the date: September, 4/5 , 07
petition name:Why has my isk been removed?
(possible title)
Don't have the GM's name thou
I'd shoot an email referring him to this thread. Can't seem to locate his emial ,but you can prolly shoot it to keiron with an explanation and he'd likely forward it for you.
I say this because this thread is huge and it might be missed since he might be looking for posts by the OP only.
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 22:59:00 -
[29]
Edited by: Grawshellar on 12/09/2007 23:02:33
Originally by: Decarus
Originally by: Cpt Fina
Quote:
Of course we are going to ban you for selling 1 unit of Veldspar for half a billion ISK to a known ISK seller.
Quote:
Of course there are no magic numbers for when a transaction becomes suspect.
Grawshellar: I've been reading these past pages of flamewarz with much interest. You totaly fail at pointing this use of selective omission from quotes, used to back up your opponsets arguments, against him. You kinda lose on that imo.
These 2 quotes you've posted was him quoting a post by a dev, he butchered it down to just those 2, not me. He used them as a reason to show that there was no hard guideline for a players behavoir. I just quoted them from him.
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 23:06:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Cpt Fina
Haha, want to get into another discussion whether this can be classified as a war or not?
I will simply say that you can.
That was my intent. Obviously we both have reason to believe as we do, and no amount of discussion is ever going to wheedle it down to one side being right. After 6 pages of discussing (from both sides in my case >.<) I don't think either of us can really say anything more thats going to convince the other :P
And how can a proverbial genocide be a war? Its a slaughter! The isk sellers cannot offer meaningful resistance.
|
|
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 23:12:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Cpt Fina
Even tho Poland didn't put up a real fight when Germany attacked them it is still considered that Germany declared war.
Isk sellers are hardly Poland. They don't put up any fight. They are Ghandi, without the morally superior high ground :P
Would you say that Ghandi declared war on the British? :P
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 23:19:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Cpt Fina
No i'd say that he demonstrated against opression. Much like i'm doing in this thread :P
In the same way the the ISK sellers are demonstrating against their oppression. And CCP definitely oppresses them!
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 23:34:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Sheylyn
Ok I need an email address to send the requested info for Prism X. Can anyone help me out, by chance have the address please, as I can't find one for him 
Not sure it is available anywhere, maybe send it to [email protected] and explain that it needs forward to CCP Prism as per his request, and that you don't have the email.
Thats the only email I have :P
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 23:40:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Cpt Fina
Or in the way that there's a state of conflict (war) between the two.
There was a 'state of conflict' between Ghandi and the British, but you already said you wouldn't call that war.
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 23:42:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Grawshellar on 12/09/2007 23:44:30
Originally by: Cpt Fina
Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 12/09/2007 23:31:04
Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 12/09/2007 23:30:10
Quote:
Even tho Poland didn't put up a real fight when Germany attacked them it is still considered that Germany declared war.
Ah,, dammit, who's law is it that states all online discussions degenerate into talks about Germany, WW2 and ****'s?
Three cheers for off topic.
EDIT: Godwins law :)
Quote:
Godwin's Law (also known as Godwin's Rule of **** Analogies)[1] is an adage formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states:[2]
As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving ****s or ****** approaches one.
When discussing the definition of war, WW2 comparisons are OK imo.
It's really amusing how you don't have anything but this to provide to the discussion and I really hope, for your own sake, that your post isn't a fair display of your intellect.
Eh, its all in good fun, anytime you see a discussion approaching Godwins law you are honour-bound to point it out.
He's just doing his civic duty as a proud member of teh interweb.
EDIT: And this isn't off topic, we're still discussing ISK sellers, which has been the main point of this thread!
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 23:55:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Cpt Fina
I really didn't think you were being serious when you started to discuss if my use of the word "war" was correct or not.
Yeah, let your guard down and I strike! Sophistry is my medium, Protagoras my teacher, etc etc :P
Seriously though, about time to log in and play eve. I think we've squeezed every bit of productive thought out of this thread :P
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.12 23:59:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
NOT the definition of a war on isk-sellers, proper quoting of each other, comparisons to passive and aggressive actions, and evaluations of each others posts, ergo, you and Graw's ramblings are completely off topic and derailed any meaningful progress of this thread.
The friend of the original poster only returned a few moments ago, and I directed him to the proper location to send the information to those who need it. He didn't have any use for the thread in the meantime, so there shouldn't be any issues with us keeping it warm for him.
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.13 00:15:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Tu Madre
ok i just want to know one thing - WTF is a "known ISK seller" still doing in game? as soon as that account is known he should be booted out of the game and the isk he still holds donated to ME...
sounds like those CCP guys are allowing known isk sellers to exist. i think the account should be suspended as soon as it become suspect and not allowed to trade any further. and i also dont think that blanket reversals are the answer either. the transactrion log needs closer analysis than that. isk sellers can play thier accoun ts too you know... and some of the purchases they make are legitimate im sure lets not punish the wider comunity for other peoples crimes
I think this was clarified earlier, but I don't blame you for missing it :P
Once someone is discovered to be an ISK seller, they go back and look at all their transactions. You might deal with a guy, and a week later he gets caught, THEN you get punished.
Of course this leads to the question of what to do about people who suddenly take up ISK selling, how can they decide that this person has always been an ISK seller?
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.13 00:32:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Omega Sinner
This thread is not just about one player and one incident..I want every incident that players have had were items and isk have been taken away by gm's here..
its time for a collective mind to stand and say this is happening..
whats going on.
gm's need to take more care on there actions and investigate the situation before taking extreme action..
They need more training and more guidence on there actions before there aloud to make such decsions as to remove items and isk and in my oppinion only senior gm's should be the ones aloud to do such actions....once a proper investigation has been taken..
Not at a whime of a possible situation specially when a player has no idea who is buying there auctions or contracts and wether its dirty isk or ligit isk..
every system isn't perfect we are only human after all..but there are ways to fix a situation that is becoming increasingly more common and slowly making the paying consumer distrust the gm's and there actions and fear about selling anything for it being taken away..
Followed by a lengthy fight to get it back..
Most won't bother and just leave to find a different game..
Don't let a few isk sellers ruin a good game for other ligit players who want to play and trust they are looked well after..
Don't be vast and cold like your game can be show the fact you care about the ppl who make this game great fun to play..
the inforamtion about this one incident has been sent yet again..
If ya have trouble getting a response, or getting it forwarded to the proper place, you can also try [email protected]
Good luck with your investigation, I hope it comes out in your friends favour.
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.13 00:37:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Omega Sinner
Thank you for the info Grawshellar and for your support
No problem :P
If ya don't mind, let us all know how it goes!
|
|
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.13 05:02:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Devian 666
Now's it's over to the Dev.
The worst part is the waiting... now I'm horribly interested to find out whats the scoop.
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.14 03:16:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Ki Tarra
When that 2 weeks is up your friend can post his full api key if he wants the community to review his entire transaction history....
If you do not wish to disclose the API key to the entire community, then perhaps to some trusted members of the community who you believe could provide an unbiased audit of his transaction history.
If the claim is true, 10 billion ISK should not be hard to spot.
I would say that the next move in this case belongs to your friend.
That is a good use for the API key, and a great idea in general I'd say.
|
Grawshellar
|
Posted - 2007.09.14 11:25:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Grawshellar on 14/09/2007 11:28:49
Originally by: Vrizuh
To him, it was like investing in your footy team or whatever. Not like investing in drugs for the team, but in equipment (all the money went towards buying skillpoints for expanding the maximum number of guild members).
Yeh, we've all seen what people will spend on second life. I have no belief troubles at all at hearing someone has invested US$2k in eve. This I think should be the principle argument towards making motherships killable in lowsec. A 1 day old char can buy an indestructible ship, provided he understands how to use a cyno.
The biggest problem is that it IS like investing in the football team. You get a group of people together with a common goal, and throw some cash into the mix to make sure they have the best available gear. Hell, I'll be spending $20 in bait and gas money for a day's trip this weekend, and just like in EVE I won't have anything to show for that $20 at the end of the day most likely. Just a story to tell.
If buying ISK in eve from ISK sellers wasn't particularly vilified then people wouldn't have a realistic reason to object.
That same noob can still buy a character, mothership, and camp lowsec in EVE well within the rules of the game, they just need to use the CCP accepted method(GTC). If CCP doesn't get their proverbial cut, its against the rules.
CCP has claimed that they keep GTC selling around so people who can't pay by other methods can still play, IE those players cash(by proxy) > the thought of a week old player buying a character and mothership.
On the other hand there is no positive side towards allowing ISK sellers, their camping and cheating causes more disruption then the effort to hunt down and punish those people buying/selling ISK does.
|
|
|
| |
|