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Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
562
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Posted - 2012.01.19 16:15:00 -
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After a hundred years of Imperial lies about their true intentions and attempts to explain away their slave raids, they continue with just that. Color me surprised.
Kazzzi wrote:Well how bout that, I just saw a fedo grow wings and fly away. Stop discriminating against Coercers. |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
683
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Posted - 2012.01.19 16:20:00 -
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Arkady Sadik wrote:After a hundred years of Imperial lies about their true intentions and attempts to explain away their slave raids, they continue with just that. Color me surprised.
You must have missed the part where it was explained that the evacuations were voluntary.
Or don't you believe in self-determination for your kind? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
562
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Posted - 2012.01.19 16:36:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Or don't you believe in self-determination for your kind? Sure I do. I somehow doubt that they retain their right to self-determination now, though. Because you do not believe in self-determination for my kind. Glad we are back to the root of the conflict between our people.
Rodj Blake wrote:You must have missed the part where it was explained that the evacuations were voluntary. "PIE Inc. has so far failed to present any credible proof that the people they took went with them voluntarily."
(For readers who do not follow every silly thread on IGS: Such proof is impossible to provide. PIE has recently asked for impossible-to-provide proof, and claimed that the absence of such proof is proof of the contrary.)
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
683
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Posted - 2012.01.19 16:43:00 -
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Arkady Sadik wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Or don't you believe in self-determination for your kind? Sure I do. I somehow doubt that they retain their right to self-determination now, though. Because you do not believe in self-determination for my kind. Glad we are back to the root of the conflict between our people. Rodj Blake wrote:You must have missed the part where it was explained that the evacuations were voluntary. "PIE Inc. has so far failed to present any credible proof that the people they took went with them voluntarily." (For readers who do not follow every silly thread on IGS: Such proof is impossible to provide. PIE has recently asked for impossible-to-provide proof, and claimed that the absence of such proof is proof of the contrary.)
If you don't believe us, then you're welcome to set us red or declare war. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Kalaratiri
Teraa Matar
97
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Posted - 2012.01.19 17:03:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Arkady Sadik wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Or don't you believe in self-determination for your kind? Sure I do. I somehow doubt that they retain their right to self-determination now, though. Because you do not believe in self-determination for my kind. Glad we are back to the root of the conflict between our people. Rodj Blake wrote:You must have missed the part where it was explained that the evacuations were voluntary. "PIE Inc. has so far failed to present any credible proof that the people they took went with them voluntarily." (For readers who do not follow every silly thread on IGS: Such proof is impossible to provide. PIE has recently asked for impossible-to-provide proof, and claimed that the absence of such proof is proof of the contrary.) If you don't believe us, then you're welcome to set us red or declare war.
I believe you were at war. For about three years. Or did I miss something? |

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
55
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Posted - 2012.01.19 17:40:00 -
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I, for one, am shocked and surprised by the revelations in this thread.
The common and oft-repeated phrase that "X doesn't undock" has been shown to be an Untruth.
My world view, it is turned upside down by this dramatic surprise. |

Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
198
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Posted - 2012.01.19 18:30:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:I refer you to the the words of your corpmate: I didn't notice the Republic Fleet and the RSS objecting to our activities, so by your corpmate's logic we were acting within the bounds of the law. In hisec. The authorities would come down on you in areas where they patrol. Using basic logic, one knows that if the cops are not there to see you, they will not take action.
If you want to muck around in an already-bloodstained warzone in a flimsy Sigil and risk innocent lives, that's on you. Be prepared to suffer the consequences and lose face as a corporation when things do not go According To Plan. |

Kaleigh Doyle
Red Skies Enterprises
45
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Posted - 2012.01.19 18:48:00 -
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So...PIE is transporting persons, who may be willing or otherwise, through low security space from the Republic to the Empire, and Teraa Matar is displeased with their unsafe travel practices? *pinches the bridge of her nose* Maybe next time you'd like to help them with the transport operations to ensure their safety. (please don't.) You're already giving advice, why not?
xoxo |

Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
161
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Posted - 2012.01.19 18:58:00 -
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Arkady Sadik wrote:"PIE Inc. has so far failed to present any credible proof that the people they took went with them voluntarily."
I don't recall you heathens bringing the same accusations against the Disciples of Ston for their "voluntary" relocations?
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Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
389
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:12:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Arkady Sadik wrote:"PIE Inc. has so far failed to present any credible proof that the people they took went with them voluntarily."
I don't recall you heathens bringing the same accusations against the Disciples of Ston for their "voluntary" relocations?
No but PIE did, and by this action they're rather hypocritical.
But here's something everyone seems to have missed. The Disciples are a neutral organisation, PIE are not. |

Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
161
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:14:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:
But here's something everyone seems to have missed. The Disciples are a neutral organisation, PIE are not.
Nonsense.
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Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
198
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:14:00 -
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Kaleigh, they had slaves. In a Sigil. In lowsec. Republic...lowsec.
If you are practicing slavery in the Republic prepare to be smacked around, either by the Fleet in hisec or the militia in lowsec. The Imperials enforce their law in their space, and so too shall the Republic. If these people were willing and not slaves, then I find it odd they were explicitly marked as slaves in the manifests and that PIE Inc made no effort to contact the authorities or militia folks beforehand about their supposed humanitarian endeavor.
Reasonable enough? |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
683
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:16:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:
But here's something everyone seems to have missed. The Disciples are a neutral organisation, PIE are not.
Claiming to be neutral is not the same as being neutral.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
56
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:16:00 -
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Rek Jaiga wrote: practicing slavery
The Empire has no need of practice.
It is quite skilled. |

Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
389
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:20:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:
But here's something everyone seems to have missed. The Disciples are a neutral organisation, PIE are not.
Claiming to be neutral is not the same as being neutral.
Do you have proof of this? |

Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
161
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:24:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:
But here's something everyone seems to have missed. The Disciples are a neutral organisation, PIE are not.
Claiming to be neutral is not the same as being neutral. Do you have proof of this? Edit: Silas Vitalia wrote:Nonsense. Either of you?
Neutral: Adjective - Not helping or supporting either of two opposing sides, esp. countries at war; impartial.
Removing slaves from Imperial territory by questionable methodology is by definition supporting those opposed to slavery.
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
683
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:29:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:
But here's something everyone seems to have missed. The Disciples are a neutral organisation, PIE are not.
Claiming to be neutral is not the same as being neutral. Do you have proof of this?
Their actions have led to them being supported by anti-Amarrian forces, and opposed by pro-Amarrian forces.
It's hard to see how this would have happened had they truly been neutral.
But enough of the Disciples - they already have quite a few threads of their own, and this one is nothing to do with them.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
389
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:29:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:
But here's something everyone seems to have missed. The Disciples are a neutral organisation, PIE are not.
Claiming to be neutral is not the same as being neutral. Do you have proof of this? Edit: Silas Vitalia wrote:Nonsense. Either of you? Neutral: Adjective - Not helping or supporting either of two opposing sides, esp. countries at war; impartial. Removing slaves from Imperial territory by questionable methodology is by definition supporting those opposed to slavery.
Do you have proof as to the location of their Matriculation centres to suggest they are outside of Imperial space?
I should also note by your default reasoning your own allies oppose slavery too. |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
683
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:30:00 -
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Since there seems to be some confusion over exactly what happened, I'd just like to point out that the Minmatars were collected in Auga and Dal - systems under Imperial occupation. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
389
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:31:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:
But here's something everyone seems to have missed. The Disciples are a neutral organisation, PIE are not.
Claiming to be neutral is not the same as being neutral. Do you have proof of this? Their actions have led to them being supported by anti-Amarrian forces, and opposed by pro-Amarrian forces. It's hard to see how this would have happened had they truly been neutral. But enough of the Disciples - they already have quite a few threads of their own, and this one is nothing to do with them.
Nonsense, this is you throwing your toys out of the pram on a rash action in a case of "Well they do it, so can we!"
You can't pick and choose your fans Admiral. You could create a drink brand that the Amarrian Empire simply couldn't get enough of, yet the taste of it isn't popular in the Republic, does that mean your drink is pro Amarrian? No, they're just the ones who like it. |

Silas Vitalia
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
161
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:36:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote: I should also note by your default reasoning your own allies oppose slavery too.
Elaborate
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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
683
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:36:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:
But here's something everyone seems to have missed. The Disciples are a neutral organisation, PIE are not.
Claiming to be neutral is not the same as being neutral. Do you have proof of this? Their actions have led to them being supported by anti-Amarrian forces, and opposed by pro-Amarrian forces. It's hard to see how this would have happened had they truly been neutral. But enough of the Disciples - they already have quite a few threads of their own, and this one is nothing to do with them. Nonsense, this is you throwing your toys out of the pram on a rash action in a case of "Well they do it, so can we!" You can't pick and choose your fans Admiral. You could create a drink brand that the Amarrian Empire simply couldn't get enough of, yet the taste of it isn't popular in the Republic, does that mean your drink is pro Amarrian? No, they're just the ones who like it.
You may consider human morality to be the equivalent of a can of Quafe, but I like to think that there's more to human actions than that.
And like I said - the Disciples already have quite a few threads of their own, and this one is nothing to do with them.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Kalaratiri
Teraa Matar
97
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:38:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Since there seems to be some confusion over exactly what happened, I'd just like to point out that the Minmatars were collected in Auga and Dal - systems under Imperial occupation.
Key word being 'occupation'. Rather than 'willing volunteers' this seems rather more likely to be 'raiding while we have the chance'. |

Khazarn Areth
The Black Pigs The Black Pigs Alliance
80
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:40:00 -
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I think the imperials prefer the term "saving" as opposed to "raiding". Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood |

Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
389
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:40:00 -
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Silas Vitalia wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote: I should also note by your default reasoning your own allies oppose slavery too.
Elaborate
Ever tried transporting slaves in Caldari space? |

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
686
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:42:00 -
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Kalaratiri wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Since there seems to be some confusion over exactly what happened, I'd just like to point out that the Minmatars were collected in Auga and Dal - systems under Imperial occupation. Key word being 'occupation'. Rather than 'willing volunteers' this seems rather more likely to be 'raiding while we have the chance'.
They wanted a better life outside the warzone.
And you would deny that to them Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |

Kalaratiri
Teraa Matar
99
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:51:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Kalaratiri wrote:Rodj Blake wrote:Since there seems to be some confusion over exactly what happened, I'd just like to point out that the Minmatars were collected in Auga and Dal - systems under Imperial occupation. Key word being 'occupation'. Rather than 'willing volunteers' this seems rather more likely to be 'raiding while we have the chance'. They wanted a better life outside the warzone. And you would deny that to them
You invaded. Who's denying what? |

Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
198
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:52:00 -
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And you must have missed the part where I said I'm an all-powerful industry tycoon who owns 80% of Ducia's shares and has been playing the Imperial market since before you were born.
Substantiate your claims, sir. |

Thgil Goldcore
PIE Inc.
309
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:58:00 -
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They where denyed a better life outside the republic... Sadly most are dead now. Civilians cut down by forces sword to protect them... Sickening. |

Rek Jaiga
Teraa Matar
198
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Posted - 2012.01.19 20:10:00 -
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"We tried to nab some fresh slaves in a system we invaded and occupied, and when we fail to get away with it we'll whine and play victim about how it was actually a humanitarian action to better their lives. In spite of our willingness to shoot pacifists, a complete lack of evidence to support our claims, and ship manifests stating the slaves were in fact slaves, we are quite certain everyone will side with us." |
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