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Roche Pso Gallente Deltole Research Labs	Posted - 2007.09.11 23:34:00 - [31] Originally by: Legendary Clint Nope, my source works in Whitehall and likes a beer. You can waste your time with uneducated and ill-informed responses, but my OP stands and is 100% accurate. You could have got the same information from any number of sources: Independent - August MOndaq - June Telegraph - June Does your source also let you know last week's lottery numbers?
Major Death Caldari Space Salvage Incorperated	Posted - 2007.09.11 23:35:00 - [32] Edited by: Major Death on 11/09/2007 23:40:48 Its when you start turning the virtual money into real money that things begin to cause problems. Potential gains cannot be taxed, so virtual assets are not subject to tax. But CCPs game time cards blur the line and could in theory be a target for tax, but its more trouble than its worth. The only people that need to really worry are those who make money selling ISK on E-Bay. So spare a thought for the macros and pharmers.
Destiny Calling Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.09.11 23:36:00 - [33] Originally by: Legendary Clint Edited by: Legendary Clint on 11/09/2007 23:25:36 Originally by: Roche Pso Originally by: Adonis 4174 Not the Inland Revenue after all then? Also, he probably knows someone who knows someone who has a friend who work for a phone company and they say if someone rings you and says to press *#53 you musn't do it cos they will be using your bill to ring mars and will already have charged you ú53 billion Nope, my source works in Whitehall and likes a beer. You can waste your time with uneducated and ill-informed responses, but my OP stands and is 100% accurate. Now if everyone who said they worked in Whitehall, actually worked in Whitehall, I would have alot more company.... Get your head around that one.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.09.11 23:37:00 - [34] Originally by: Legendary Clint Edited by: Legendary Clint on 11/09/2007 23:25:36 Originally by: Roche Pso Originally by: Adonis 4174 Not the Inland Revenue after all then? Also, he probably knows someone who knows someone who has a friend who work for a phone company and they say if someone rings you and says to press #53 you musn't do it cos they will be using your bill to ring mars and will already have charged you ú53 billion Nope, my source works in Whitehall and likes a beer. You can waste your time with uneducated and ill-informed responses, but my OP stands and is 100% accurate. Its not uneducated quesses and responses. As someone say, you cant tax something that does not exsist! Why? Should you start taxing peoples monopoly money too? And in all honesty, if they tax my ingame ISK, I would by damn pay them in ingame ISK too! Also, when it comes to ISK trade.. If I buy a time code I pay tax allready on it! Because its a real life commodity! When the code is consumed by EVE online it becomes a ingame item, which does not exsist anymore! So you have payed the tax there! If you buy isk against the eula, but from still a legal corporation who sells mmorpg currency, you might pay taxes there too, as long the company is registered as a juridically real life company. Against eula true, but not against the law. You will be punished accordingly too. warned/banned by CCP for breaking the contract - no punsihment in RL since its legal. If you buy on ebay - private - its taxable only if you buy for more then a certain ammount of money. I doubt anyone shop ISK for more then 2000 pound? Also, think of all the investigation this will lead to? All the paperwork? And how to control it? I would say its impossible. In general this is all bullcrap. Originally by:* Splagada you're on eve-o, just go for blunt insults and random crap, please!
Tyamo	Posted - 2007.09.11 23:39:00 - [35] Your ISK will be taxed, much like corporation tax rates. The Queen on England will be given this ISK, and use it to build her fleet of Dreads and Titans. The Brits can't go conquering other lands these days, so they'll do it virtually. Wonder what race the Queen would be...
Bishman82 Racketeers	Posted - 2007.09.11 23:45:00 - [36] Originally by: Tyamo Your ISK will be taxed, much like corporation tax rates. The Queen on England will be given this ISK, and use it to build her fleet of Dreads and Titans. The Brits can't go conquering other lands these days, so they'll do it virtually. Wonder what race the Queen would be... Gallente of course, she would just sit on her arse and let the drones do all the work.
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation	Posted - 2007.09.11 23:47:00 - [37] The argument CCP will have is that given their servers are UK based, they will be taxable. The reality of it is though that CCP will move the servers from the UK mainland, most likely to Poland or some other such cheap and reliable datacentre country. - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.09.11 23:49:00 - [38] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 11/09/2007 23:49:51 Originally by: Bishman82 Originally by: Tyamo Your ISK will be taxed, much like corporation tax rates. The Queen on England will be given this ISK, and use it to build her fleet of Dreads and Titans. The Brits can't go conquering other lands these days, so they'll do it virtually. Wonder what race the Queen would be... Gallente of course, she would just sit on her arse and let the drones do all the work. yea, I am sure the Queen of the great British- where the sun never sets - empire, will fly "French" ships.. Originally by: Splagada you're on eve-o, just go for blunt insults and random crap, please!
Bishman82 Racketeers	Posted - 2007.09.11 23:49:00 - [39] Originally by: Vyktor Abyss The argument CCP will have is that given their servers are UK based, they will be taxable. The reality of it is though that CCP will move the servers from the UK mainland, most likely to Poland or some other such cheap and reliable datacentre country. But they are already paying tax by having the servers in the UK, they cant tax anything else because no one is gaining any money (apart from a few isk sellers but that's a different matter)
Axexut	Posted - 2007.09.11 23:57:00 - [40] I REALLY hope this happens!!!!! Could make money in real life - Lose a ton in game and balance them against each other!!!!!!! PLEASE OH PLEASE!!!!
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2007.09.11 23:59:00 - [41] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 11/09/2007 23:49:51 Originally by: Bishman82 Originally by: Tyamo Your ISK will be taxed, much like corporation tax rates. The Queen on England will be given this ISK, and use it to build her fleet of Dreads and Titans. The Brits can't go conquering other lands these days, so they'll do it virtually. Wonder what race the Queen would be... Gallente of course, she would just sit on her arse and let the drones do all the work. yea, I am sure the Queen of the great British- where the sun never sets - empire, will fly "French" ships.. The queen will be Brutor and will be out there pwning *****es with her selection of capital ships. ----- Visible Implants - good for so many occasions
Darriuss	Posted - 2007.09.12 00:00:00 - [42] this would be awesome. they of course are talking about money earned while selling isk or characters. i would form a company. 'darriuss' isk and character sales'. of course my expenses (eve online subscription, internet connection, computer, hydro) would exceed my income (isk and character sales) so i could write it off and get some taxes paid back from my day job. for 3 years at least here in canada. i hope they impliment that here.
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.12 00:02:00 - [43] If this goes though: and they do tax people's incomes: -I will report my hundards of millions lost to terrorism (piracy)as losses -demand the government to protect the assets that they want to tax me for, protect me from them terrorists!!! -and if I do make enough losses. hell the governement might owe me money in the tax returns. or better yet, pay in monopoly money. Originally by: CCP Chronotis Since this thread continues to fight against the people who derail it into the macro miners witchhunt. I will move it to features and ideas discussion where ...
Price Watcher	Posted - 2007.09.12 00:05:00 - [44] I live in Texas. I'd like to see the UK Inland Revenue show up at my door. Really, I would. POST WITH YOUR ALT!
Xaen Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.09.12 00:08:00 - [45] A less misleading topic title would be: "UK Attempting to tax ingame income" But that wouldn't get as many views, would it? Sensationalist crap... ----------- Support fixing the EVE UI Drones should not aggro anything missiles or turrets do not.
Ruddger Minmatar Blackmire Revived	Posted - 2007.09.12 00:20:00 - [46] Look it, this will never happen, lets be reasonable here. With the collapse of the Schrute buck and rampant unicorn inflation, any taxation could very well send the EvE sub-prime housing market into precipitous decline. Just think about what that would do to the English pound! What will your Stanly nickels buy then? Its called economics people.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.09.12 00:21:00 - [47] Originally by: Legendary Clint I had a very interesting discussion with an anonymous source from the UK Inland Revenue and they have made a serious investment into investigating their ability to tax income from virtual worlds. This project is well advanced and will affect EVE (the EULA is meaningless against UK budgetry law) - you heard it here first !! Dear OP, you made some typos, let me help you. "I had a very interesting discussion with an anonymous source from the UK Inland Revenue and they have made a serious investment into investigating their ability to tax real-life income generated as result of sales of virtual goods or services from virtual worlds. This project is well advanced and will affect people buying or selling ISK, either directly or probably even via GTCs in EVE (the EULA is meaningless against UK budgetry law when real-money changes hands) - you heard it here first !!" There, much better... isn't it ? _ EVE GOLDEN RULES \| Char creation guide \| Stack-nerfing explained
Tiger313 313th Squadron	Posted - 2007.09.12 00:22:00 - [48] In the Netherlands I know of a few cases where someone was making a nice bunch of euros offa selling stuff on Ebay or on a website they owned themselves. In the meanwhile they were drawing money from social security. These cases were taken to court, and the people involved had to pay back the social security money, including a hefty fine and added taxes over the profit they had gained. I'm guessing HM Revenue & Customs is trying to figure out how to tax people who gain income through games/online sales. This can be quitte hard to track, that's why it says they're looking into it.
Indigo Johnson Minmatar	Posted - 2007.09.12 00:30:00 - [49] Originally by: Legendary Clint ...they have made a serious investment into investigating their ability to tax income from virtual worlds. < enter Inland Revenue tea room > Trevor: <munching on chocoloate hobnob> So, <munch> played this game last <munch> night called Eve. Phil (from HR): <grunt> Trevor: ye <takes another biscuit> have to earn this virtual isk thing <munch> Sofie (from upstairs): earn? .. hmmmm.... <sound of Trevor munching> ... earnings are taxable ain't they? Trevor: ... i suppose so... <Opening credits> Narrator: And so the great idea of taxing the virtual world came to be.
Novemb3r Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.09.12 00:40:00 - [50] Obvious troll is obvious -
MotorBreath	Posted - 2007.09.12 01:32:00 - [51] Originally by: Legendary Clint Edited by: Legendary Clint on 11/09/2007 23:18:02 Originally by: Jinmie They can't tax virtual money you aren't allowed to sell. Unfortunately the qualification is that you are expending labour to earn virtual money - therefore you are liable to tax. I'm not making this up - I was talking to somebody who.... Hahahahahaha. I was watching The Black Adder and therefore I liable for tax as I am spending labour on humoring my self. Oh look UK Inland Revenue, I was cooking dinner earlyer and therefore I liable for tax as I am spending labour on keeping my self alive. And UK Inland Revenue, later on I will spend 30 minutes sitting still and staring into the abyss, but don't worry, I will be breathing and therefore be liable for tax as I am spending labour on sustaining minimal life support. I am relishing my fantasy of being fithly rich. I am liable for tax as I am spending labour on imaginaly money that only exist in my head. "INSERT ANY POSSIBLE ACTIVITY HERE" and I am therefore liable for tax as I am spending labour on "INSERT ANY POSSIBLY JUSTIFICATION HERE."

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