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Wideen
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Posted - 2007.09.13 15:28:00 -
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I really don't see the point of the medium hybrid turret bonus on the Ishtar out of a few reasons:
- It has three turret hardpoints.
- Its DPS comes almost exclusively from drones, hence the little dmg added by the turrets is just pathetic.
- If feeling a desire to use that bonus, you'll have serious problems fitting anything else due to lack of CPU/PG.
- IF utilizing these turret hardpoints, it seems most people are forced to use small guns, hence the bonus won't apply anymore. (see the point above)
To my knowledge, all HACs have their t1-counterparts' bonuses which come from the cruiser skill, in the Ishtar's case being 5% damage to medium hybrids and 10% to drone damage / lvl. At least the Vexor has 4 turret hardpoints, and the navy issue vexor has 5 - but the bonus just seems out of place on the Ishtar due to the above mentioned reasons. This base-bonus might indeed make this argument a little less valid, but I still think it has a point.
How about a bonus that is a little more appropriate? Or not even that, how about that 5% cap recharge bonus, that ought to work 
 Originally by: P'uck
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Ryan Scouse'UK
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.09.13 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Ryan Scouse''UK on 13/09/2007 15:36:22
Originally by: Wideen
I really don't see the point of the medium hybrid turret bonus on the Ishtar out of a few reasons:
- It has three turret hardpoints.
- Its DPS comes almost exclusively from drones, hence the little dmg added by the turrets is just pathetic.
- If feeling a desire to use that bonus, you'll have serious problems fitting anything else due to lack of CPU/PG.
- IF utilizing these turret hardpoints, it seems most people are forced to use small guns, hence the bonus won't apply anymore. (see the point above)
To my knowledge, all HACs have their t1-counterparts' bonuses which come from the cruiser skill, in the Ishtar's case being 5% damage to medium hybrids and 10% to drone damage / lvl. At least the Vexor has 4 turret hardpoints, and the navy issue vexor has 5 - but the bonus just seems out of place on the Ishtar due to the above mentioned reasons. This base-bonus might indeed make this argument a little less valid, but I still think it has a point.
How about a bonus that is a little more appropriate? Or not even that, how about that 5% cap recharge bonus, that ought to work
why not a 5% to drone speed per level ? =P
I would get my isthar out more for that ;)
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GenShadowfawx
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Posted - 2007.09.13 15:40:00 -
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Or maybe even a % percent bonus to drone hp per level? I completely agree that the 5% to medium hybrid turret is a waste on the Ishtar.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.09.13 16:29:00 -
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The turret damage and drone range bonus on the ishtar are more or less placeholders. They do not need changing, however.
Why? Quite simply, the ishtar does with 1 bonus (+50% drone damage/hp) and his base 125m¦ dronebay already as much dps as other HACs need 3-4 bonuses to deal. Some have trouble even reaching it.
So, yes, those bonuses are pretty pointless on the ishtar. However it is still by far not a bad ship compared to the other HACs, if anything it is one of the top5 HACs.
In short:
- turret bonus pointless: yes
- ishtar underpowered: no
- change needed: no
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ColonelKurtz
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.13 16:41:00 -
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yeah seriously, the ishtar is completely and utterly broken, should probably just let them use fighters, that would balance it out pretty good.
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.13 16:48:00 -
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tbh the only bonus that I would add to the ishtar would be a "+5% CPU bonus per gallente cruiser level".
there.
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iiOs
Evil Things
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Posted - 2007.09.13 16:54:00 -
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yea, ishtar defenatly need a boost, its worse hac of them all:(
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WildSide
Spartan Industries
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.09.13 16:55:00 -
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or add a small hybrid dmg bonus:p as so few ppl accual fit medium hybrids on it.
Many ppl fit small artys though..but guess makes it too bastard to add a projectile bonus.
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OKtha Jarin
Gallente
Quantar Swords
SynchronizerZ
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Posted - 2007.09.13 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Wideen
I really don't see the point of the medium hybrid turret bonus on the Ishtar out of a few reasons:
- It has three turret hardpoints.
- Its DPS comes almost exclusively from drones, hence the little dmg added by the turrets is just pathetic.
- If feeling a desire to use that bonus, you'll have serious problems fitting anything else due to lack of CPU/PG.
- IF utilizing these turret hardpoints, it seems most people are forced to use small guns, hence the bonus won't apply anymore. (see the point above)
To my knowledge, all HACs have their t1-counterparts' bonuses which come from the cruiser skill, in the Ishtar's case being 5% damage to medium hybrids and 10% to drone damage / lvl. At least the Vexor has 4 turret hardpoints, and the navy issue vexor has 5 - but the bonus just seems out of place on the Ishtar due to the above mentioned reasons. This base-bonus might indeed make this argument a little less valid, but I still think it has a point.
How about a bonus that is a little more appropriate? Or not even that, how about that 5% cap recharge bonus, that ought to work
i dont know whats your problem? i can fit med guns + mwd, tank and all that stuff 
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Aramendel
Amarr
Coreli Corporation
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.09.13 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: WildSide
or add a small hybrid dmg bonus:p as so few ppl accual fit medium hybrids on it.
That is actually not a bad idea. Change the bonus from medium hybrids to small & medium hybrids.
It wouldn't really break anything amd bonuses like that exist already. The rooks kinetic missile dps bonus applies on heavy and light missiles, for example.
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slothe
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.09.13 17:26:00 -
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fine as it is.
only problem with ishtars is people nanoing them.
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Wideen
Resurrection
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Posted - 2007.09.13 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Wideen on 13/09/2007 17:35:05
Originally by: OKtha Jarin
i dont know whats your problem? i can fit med guns + mwd, tank and all that stuff
Okay you can but I'm guessing you have an unplated (or a small plate) which leaves you with appr. 2000 armor which won't last you long, and you probably have a single MAR II, and not using a cap booster. Then, sure, you can fit your three guns, but at expense of a decent tank.
EDIT: I'm not suggestion a boost to make it omgwtfpwnge, as I agree the Ishtar is one of the better HACs, but I'm merely questioning the seemingly senseless bonus to medium guns.
Originally by: P'uck
I know somebody who heard somebody say that an Osprey defeated Chuck Norris. Twice. Need I say more?
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Jarvin Kell
Kingdom of Kador
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Posted - 2007.09.13 17:57:00 -
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Drone speed bonus would certainly be interesting
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.09.13 18:30:00 -
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How about changing the drone range and hybrid bonuses to speed and agility bonuses? Nah just kidding.
Ishtar is so uber in nano config I'm not complaining about the 2 useless bonuses it gets. Though for people who like to tank it, the CPU really is quite lacking.
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Blood Corsair's
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.09.13 18:43:00 -
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If you do a search, you'll see that drone speed bonuses and all sorts of other things have been discussed for the Ishtar previously to replace it's drone range bonus and gun bonuses etc.
And universally the responses were similar to this thread "OMG no, yes the bonuses are useless, no it doesn't need to be changed". Mostly because everyone who doesn't want it to be changed doesn't fly one. They just see the scary stats on paper and get emo and say no.
Drone speed bonus would be great.
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Wideen
Resurrection
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Posted - 2007.09.13 18:47:00 -
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/signed
if it's a drone ship, let it be so to the fullest extent.
Originally by: P'uck
I know somebody who heard somebody say that an Osprey defeated Chuck Norris. Twice. Need I say more?
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Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.09.13 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Bellum Eternus
And universally the responses were similar to this thread "OMG no, yes the bonuses are useless, no it doesn't need to be changed". Mostly because everyone who doesn't want it to be changed doesn't fly one. They just see the scary stats on paper and get emo and say no.
But if the Ishtar gets any perceivable boost, the nerfbat is likely to strike it down so hard that the boosts it got will be irrelevant.
My reasoning? Let it keep a couple useless bonuses and maybe CCP will allow it to pwn a little while longer. 
That said, a drone speed bonus would be nice.
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Zubakis
Bambooule
TALIONIS ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2007.09.13 18:55:00 -
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Drone range bonus is not useless imo, it's very usefull when you use sentry drones.
But i agree that the turret bonus is not the best. It would be better if it had 2 turret hardpoints more. But if you want to replace it, i would go with armor repair bonus.
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Spix 'UK
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Posted - 2007.09.13 19:00:00 -
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how about
lose the 5% to med hybirds per level & replace with .
5% drone tracking per level
5% base speed per level
5% mwd speed per level
=P
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Wideen
Resurrection
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Posted - 2007.09.13 19:19:00 -
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no pls, no more nano 
Originally by: P'uck
I know somebody who heard somebody say that an Osprey defeated Chuck Norris. Twice. Need I say more?
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Byzan Zwyth
Dark Centuri Inc.
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.09.13 19:32:00 -
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I think if you replace that bonus with something good it would prob overpower the ship
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Rooker
Lysian Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.09.14 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
tbh the only bonus that I would add to the ishtar would be a "+5% CPU bonus per gallente cruiser level".
there.
LOL definitely /signed
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Druadan
Gallente
Aristotle Enterprises
Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.09.14 06:27:00 -
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/signed
I'm on the verge of buying one of these and I've been playing with setups in EFT and though I have managed to get a set of medium blasters on there it looks like i'm going to go with some medium or small ACs and see what I can do with the saved PG.
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Wideen
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Posted - 2007.09.14 06:43:00 -
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yeah I use 3 x 280mm Artillery II on mine, so it's not a bad idea
Originally by: P'uck
I know somebody who heard somebody say that an Osprey defeated Chuck Norris. Twice. Need I say more?
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari
Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2007.09.14 07:13:00 -
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Definitely. As it is, the Ishtar is completely outclassed by virtually every other HAC and similarly sized ship.
Oh, wait, no it isn't.
Look, if it isn't broken, there's no need to fix it. The Ishtar is already outperforming most other ships in its class, it's in no need of a buff via making its bonuses more applicable to its primary weapon.
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45thtiger011
Gallente
The Perfect Storm
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Posted - 2007.09.14 07:47:00 -
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if you want to fix something, fix the ishkur! not the ishtar.
the 10% hybrid turret optimal bonus is pointless... give it something drone related, oh and boost the drone bay base size, even with AS V you only get 40m3...
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John Grimm
The Taining corp
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.09.14 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: 45thtiger011
if you want to fix something, fix the ishkur! not the ishtar.
the 10% hybrid turret optimal bonus is pointless... give it something drone related, oh and boost the drone bay base size, even with AS V you only get 40m3...
No need. With the new drone changes (bandwith) you probably get a bigger drone bays, but you'll still be only able to deploy 5 small or 4 med drones @lvl5.
Originally by: Rawne Karrde
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Xthril Ranger
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.09.14 09:41:00 -
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change it to an increased bandtwith / level bonus so you can keep using heavy drones with it after revelation 3 patch?
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Bellum Eternus
Gallente
Blood Corsair's
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.09.14 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: 45thtiger011
if you want to fix something, fix the ishkur! not the ishtar.
the 10% hybrid turret optimal bonus is pointless... give it something drone related, oh and boost the drone bay base size, even with AS V you only get 40m3...
The Optimal range bonus is AWESOME. No touchie! 
How else am I going to use faction antimatter to kill cruisers while staying out of (non-faction) web range?
With my maxed skills I get 13km optimal with T2 150s when using antimatter.  Good stuff!
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Grytok
German Kings
OPUS Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.14 09:52:00 -
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The bonus to Medium Hybrid Turrets is perfectly fine, if you outfit your Ishtar in a fashionable manner.
I've Setups, where I can put 3x Heavy Neutron II on it 
Less tank, more damage... perfectly fine for me 
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