I think this is worse than purchased respecs.

Duh...nothing gets past you does it?

People want a way to refund SP and others don't...this would satisfy both.

Besides...I am sure it could be made so that unlearning takes half the time of learning or something if it is really that much of a problem. Point is...if you want the ability to revert the clock and correct an error you made in judgment by training a skill then there should be some kind of punishment or downside to doing it. It really shouldn't be any kind of pay ISK, get SP back system.

Perhaps if a skill takes 30 mins to train then it can take 15 minutes to untrain and refund 100% of the SP back...but you still lose time for the untrain when you could have been training something else. Frankly I don't regret a single skill I have trained and wouldn't likely use this for anything other than removing the starter skills I do not care for from my skills list.

No respecs unless a skill is removed by CCP, period. Not for ISK, not for time, not for PLEX, not for any reason. If you want SP's in a new skill, train it then.

What is this tripe?

No one would use this..or even support this..because as I said..no one would use this.


Who the hell wants to stop training skills to unlearn skills?

Stop making posts to "just post bad ideas"...they call that trolling.

Your just wasting time and being utterly ridiculous.

Irrational...


It's called coming up with an alternate idea instead of just mindlessly shooting down other peoples ideas. You might try it sometime.

I would use it...so there is somebody that would use it. Especially if the untrain time was half the train time so I wasn't completely wasting time.

If anybody is trolling...it is you.

It's called thinking before you post....especially about what people would do and how they would react.

Assuming its ok because you would use it is nothing more than utter selfishness and stupidity on your part.

I dare you to ask everyone around you if they would STOP training and give up that time to unlearn a skill.
How much you wana bet they would either laugh in your face or just flat say no?

I dare you to use your brain...if you do you might realize that neither you or me have any idea how people would react to it and if they would use it or not.

Good god you are being narrowminded today...stop and think for a minute.

If you can untrain a skill you don't want and it takes you half the time to untrain as it does to train, that means you are getting the SP back at twice the speed it would take for you to train another skill. It still takes TIME and you lose the skill but you can then use that SP towards the skill you would have otherwise been training.

It's called a ******* compromise. You now have an SP refund option but it does not completely destroy the current system of training = time.

I don't know how I can explain this any simpler...very easy math here...

Maybe you have Caldari Carrier 5 and you want Amarr Carrier 5 instead. You can untrain Caldari Carrier 5 and be refunded ALL the SP, lose the skill and put all that SP into Amarr Carrier 5 but it would still cost you half of the training time. Lose the old skill, gain the new skill, half the training time via untraining old skill.

In that case.

#### NO

Only if it take the same amount of time to un-train the skill and you only get back half of the SP. Then there also should be an SP cap in place, say 5 million per year. The cap is the amount you un-train, not what you get back. You then have to pay 1000 x the SP in ISK to use it.

No...absolutely not....

Mate, I'm not being serious. I can't see him going for it tbh, just wondered how much he wants it.

lol...DENSE! "I" don't want it at all. I don't frankly give two ***** about refunding SP. But it IS something a LOT of people request for ALL the time. And no...I doubt that would be the majority opinion since again...you and I have no idea how other people are going to react. You might as well face it...SP refund is something CCP is thinking about and the CSM did not completely shoot it down. It may very well end up happening...and when it does you will all ***** and whine about it and how it was implemented. Which is why you should be trying to come up with something that WILL work for everybody with minimal impact to the game as it is before it is too late.

Because...I may not like it but it may be what is best for the game in the long run. A feature like this may retain players that might otherwise quit given the option to do so. It may help draw in more players as well. I try to look at the whole of the issue in what is best for the game, players and CCP and not just what I like or don't like. I have supported many ideas that would be harmful to my current gameplay style and what I like to do because I believe it would benefit others more.

I don't need my SP refunded...I haven't made any choices I can't live with or don't think I will need or use down the line. Hell even my starter skills will eventually be used despite being useless to me right now. However...I think an SP refund option will benefit the game on a whole. Why do we care if vets do this? They have a shitload of SP as it is...nothing will change there. Why do we care if the noobs do this? They have so little SP compared to most that it likely wont make a dent in the overall scheme of things.

I almost don't care either way frankly. If given the option to untrain and move SP I would welcome the challenge. New players that don't know what they want to do yet can finally do what they want by correcting mistakes while again not completely destroying the time = experience paradigm that EvE has set up.

Who asked you what would be best for us as far as this game is concerned? What makes you think this feature is best as it is?

Considering you hypocriitcially push it and claim its the best option when you yourself condem it in saying your not interested nor care for it.

No changing skills that you already have, period. Unless you lose the SP because you lost your Tech 3 Cruiser, for example, skills are skills.

BTW - "Unlearning" is called FORGETTING, you dumbass.

No purchasing skillpoints, no purchasing remaps, no purchasing SP "re-allocations" or any of that other bullshit. **** that, it would ruin EVE as we know it. Actions have consequences - get used to it.