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Triana
Bulls On Parade
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Posted - 2012.01.21 11:00:00 -
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Thryson wrote:Um creative but did you think about what you said before you said it, if you have to spend time unlearning skills at the same rate you learned them why waste your time just leave the skill maybe far in the future you can use it and just train the skill want to begin with.
What he says.
No respec, EVER. |

Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
113
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Posted - 2012.01.21 11:19:00 -
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No skill is useless in EVE (except Defender missiles! I WANT MY SP BACK!!!! ) so I have no idea why anyone would choose to waste time forgetting skills they've already learned.
Just because you don't use it today does not mean you will not use it in future.
Also, as other's have pointed out, your actions in EVE have consequences so I would rather not upset the game balance by removing this. I have never heard any other MMO allowing you to change your skills once learned.
No support from me for this.
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Jade Mitch
United Coalitions ZADA ALLIANCE
18
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Posted - 2012.01.21 16:36:00 -
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I totally like this idea and I would use it all the time.
SP are what I'm paying for with my subscription. It's not a gameplay or balancing issue so, it's totally unnecessary to make unlearning SP take additional time and money.
We can only train one character at a time so, all three characters per account share the same SP pool and we should be able to distribute our unlearned SP to any of them.
Eve ought to be about *natural* consequences, not imaginary consequences. |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
957
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Posted - 2012.01.21 17:53:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:NO
Also you have this " EvE is about the SANDBOX! " in your sig, and you propose such change... omg Sandbox is about no restrictions...you want to restrict people from respeccing SP if they choose too...in other words...your post makes no sense. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
957
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Posted - 2012.01.21 17:54:00 -
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Whoops...double post... EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Jade Mitch
United Coalitions ZADA ALLIANCE
23
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Posted - 2012.01.24 04:14:00 -
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Smiling Menace wrote:No skill is useless in EVE (except Defender missiles! I WANT MY SP BACK!!!!  ) so I have no idea why anyone would choose to waste time forgetting skills they've already learned. The point is to save you SP, which is what you've paid for with your time and money.
Smiling Menace wrote: Just because you don't use it today does not mean you will not use it in future.
Just because you might use it in the future doesn't mean you should be stuck with it today.
Smiling Menace wrote: Also, as other's have pointed out, your actions in EVE have consequences so I would rather not upset the game balance by removing this. I have never heard any other MMO allowing you to change your skills once learned.
No support from me for this.
Eve has distinguished itself from other MMOs with unusual game mechanics.
Your actions would still have consequences so, I don't understand how it would upset the game balance. |

Hathrul
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Narwhals Ate My Duck
36
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Posted - 2012.01.24 12:04:00 -
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if unlearning takes the same amount of time as learning, you might as well accept you made a mistake and learn a new skill directly. it takes just as much time as unlearning something and then using that sp to get it. i dont see why anyone would ever use this under any circumstance |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
968
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Posted - 2012.01.24 13:52:00 -
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I thought this thread was dead with all the trolling going on in it...oh well...
@Hathrul. An amendment to the idea was later made in the thread to cut the unlearning time in half. That way you aren't wasting ALL of your time and could technically gain time by removing a skill you never use and putting the points into something you want.
Lets say you have skill A that took you 6 days to learn and skill B which is entirely unlearned but will also take you 6 days. You no longer need or want A so you unlearn it in 3 days and put all the SP into skill B thus learning skill B in 3 days instead of 6 by sacrificing skill A which you already spent 6 days to learn. When all is said and done it took you a total of 9 days to learn skill B but 6 of it may have been 5 years ago. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
268
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Posted - 2012.01.24 15:50:00 -
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Jade Mitch wrote:I totally like this idea and I would use it all the time.
SP are what I'm paying for with my subscription. It's not a gameplay or balancing issue so, it's totally unnecessary to make unlearning SP take additional time and money.
We can only train one character at a time so, all three characters per account share the same SP pool and we should be able to distribute our unlearned SP to any of them.
Eve ought to be about *natural* consequences, not imaginary consequences.
I would expect this from someone who bought his toon. |

Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
10
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Posted - 2012.01.24 16:15:00 -
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No. |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
971
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Posted - 2012.01.24 16:18:00 -
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Santiago Fahahrri wrote:No. How astute of you. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

XXSketchxx
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
133
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Posted - 2012.01.24 17:01:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Santiago Fahahrri wrote:No. How astute of you.
Almost as astute as the repeated (albeit stupidly modified) "hurrrr skillpoint reallocation" idea |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
971
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Posted - 2012.01.24 17:18:00 -
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XXSketchxx wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Santiago Fahahrri wrote:No. How astute of you. Almost as astute as the repeated (albeit stupidly modified) "hurrrr skillpoint reallocation" idea Oh blah blah blah blah blah...why don't you guys actually come up with something constructive instead of just attacking me with your stupidity?
In fact...I will ask a Dev to just go ahead and lock this thread. I can bring this topic up again later when the trolls are fewer if CCP hasn't already enacted a change to this by then. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

XXSketchxx
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
138
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Posted - 2012.01.24 17:42:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: In fact...I will ask a Dev to just go ahead and lock this thread. I can bring this topic up again later when the trolls are fewer if CCP hasn't already enacted a change to this by then.
hahaaha
you are literally clueless
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Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
268
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Posted - 2012.01.24 17:46:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:XXSketchxx wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Santiago Fahahrri wrote:No. How astute of you. Almost as astute as the repeated (albeit stupidly modified) "hurrrr skillpoint reallocation" idea Oh blah blah blah blah blah...why don't you guys actually come up with something constructive instead of just attacking me with your stupidity? In fact...I will ask a Dev to just go ahead and lock this thread. I can bring this topic up again later when the trolls are fewer if CCP hasn't already enacted a change to this by then.
Hey wake up and smell the quafe...the guy said no...and just no....and your directly attacking him....don't be surprsied if someone reports you for that.
You should take your own advice for once.
If anyone needs to grow up and stop acting like an imature child...its you. |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
971
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:39:00 -
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Feel free to keep trolling this thread. I really don't mind. The more you do the more people will see my idea. Thanks in advance!
I don't even think I can count on one hand the number of times you have attacked me directly in this thread alone Drake. Shall I start reporting you? EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Drake Draconis
Nexus Advanced Technologies Fidelas Constans
268
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:51:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Feel free to keep trolling this thread. I really don't mind. The more you do the more people will see my idea. Thanks in advance!
I don't even think I can count on one hand the number of times you have attacked me directly in this thread alone Drake. Shall I start reporting you?
I dont harp on people for saying just "no" like you do.
And for all of my terseness...I don't act like an immautre child and spray obviously stupid ideas that people can see right through with utter clarity....nor do I ignore them.
Yes I WILL call them out...and they get all up in arms...but they are just as guilty as they label me to be.
People don't like me because i refuse to back down...I give coutner arguments quite readily....and I will back down/relinquish when reason is given enough. Soemthing you fail horribily to attempt to do.
All you've said is you don't like this idea...yet you support it....your a hypocritical child who wants his way even if he hates the very thing he wants.
What that tells everyone is quite plain and obvious....for you to take offense to that...is quite laughable. |

Sicex
25
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Posted - 2012.01.24 23:35:00 -
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There isn't any sort of downside to "training the wrong thing" in EVE.
I mean if you play long enough, guess what? You will have to train ALL skills eventually!
The ONLY way I would be in support of an 'Unlearn' option would be if it took the exact amount of time it took to untrain the skill as it took to train the skill. That way the pointlessness of your suggestion comes fully into view and people can waste their training time by 'untraining' items that will no doubt be trained later on. |

Tekashi Kovacs
Golfclap Inc
0
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Posted - 2012.01.28 15:57:00 -
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Well I partially agree with any kind of re-spec thread ^^ this one doesnt make that much sense tho, since you would lose SP + time that could be used for simply learning something new without losing anything at all...
Back at 2011 Ive posted much better "respec" idea - you can see it here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1527004&page=1 |

Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
502
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Posted - 2012.01.30 03:51:00 -
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No. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
992
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Posted - 2012.01.30 14:05:00 -
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Tekashi Kovacs wrote:Well I partially agree with any kind of re-spec thread ^^ this one doesnt make that much sense tho, since you would lose SP + time that could be used for simply learning something new without losing anything at all... Back at 2011 Ive posted much better "respec" idea - you can see it here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1527004&page=1 The whole point is that there be some kind of punishment for training the wrong thing in the first place. We can't just allow a respec for free with no punishment at all. This idea allows you to do the respec making it a logical choice for you right then and there if you don't need or want the skill but still puts you further behind where you would be had you not respecced at all in the long run. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
56
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Posted - 2012.01.30 14:30:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:The whole point is that there be some kind of punishment for training the wrong thing in the first place. We can't just allow a respec for free with no punishment at all. This idea allows you to do the respec making it a logical choice for you right then and there if you don't need or want the skill but still puts you further behind where you would be had you not respecced at all in the long run.
Whats the point if it puts you further behind????
Any reallocating SPs is a bad idea. I dont care if its Aurom (whatever), ISK, PLEX or Unlearning time.... its just a bad idea!
Eve is about consiquences and living with your choices....
You claim the unlearning time is enough 'punishment' for remapping skills... what about all the money or benefit you got from those skills before you unleant them? You used them at one time, why should you be allowed to forget them and flip them into the new FOTM.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
993
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Posted - 2012.01.30 14:46:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:The whole point is that there be some kind of punishment for training the wrong thing in the first place. We can't just allow a respec for free with no punishment at all. This idea allows you to do the respec making it a logical choice for you right then and there if you don't need or want the skill but still puts you further behind where you would be had you not respecced at all in the long run. Whats the point if it puts you further behind???? Any reallocating SPs is a bad idea. I dont care if its Aurom (whatever), ISK, PLEX or Unlearning time.... its just a bad idea! Eve is about consiquences and living with your choices.... You claim the unlearning time is enough 'punishment' for remapping skills... what about all the money or benefit you got from those skills before you unleant them? You used them at one time, why should you be allowed to forget them and flip them into the new FOTM. This is a proposal simply because some people want a respec option and CCP has already been looking into it and the CSM didn't shoot it down entirely. It is very likely that a respec option of some sort is going to happen eventually whether we want it to or not. Might as well make sure that we have ideas out there so CCP can at least do it with as little impact on the game as possible.
Again...it will likely happen. Whether we want it or not is going to be irrelevant. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Velicitia
Open Designs
466
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Posted - 2012.01.30 14:52:00 -
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Seconded. |

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
57
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Posted - 2012.01.31 15:43:00 -
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Quote:Again...it will likely happen. Whether we want it or not is going to be irrelevant.
yeah, just like gold ammo..... CCP should be careful about making big changes that the majority of the players donGÇÖt want.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |

Tekashi Kovacs
Golfclap Inc
0
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Posted - 2012.01.31 23:20:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:CCP should be careful about making big changes that the majority of the players donGÇÖt want.
I lol'd. The only ones not wanting ANY form of respec are those psychopathic hardcores and masochists, who likes to punish themselves for no reason. Fortunately, they dont represent the Majority.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1004
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Posted - 2012.01.31 23:26:00 -
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Tekashi Kovacs wrote:Jint Hikaru wrote:CCP should be careful about making big changes that the majority of the players donGÇÖt want. I lol'd. The only ones not wanting ANY form of respec are those psychopathic hardcores and masochists, who likes to punish themselves for no reason. Fortunately, they dont represent the Majority. I somewhat agree with that sentiment. I don't really want a respec option. I simply believe that it would be best for CCP and EvE overall as it would encourage new players to stick around.
EvE as it is now is a game for the hardcore and a very niche group of players. That's what we are. Companies don't tend to make as much money catering to small groups as they could making it easier to play for the overall casual people that make up the vast majority of gamers. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |

Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1388
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Posted - 2012.01.31 23:55:00 -
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Not a worthwhile use of resources nor of the CSMs time. This fixes nothing and encourages careless decision making. Let's not waste any more time discussing this. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |

Lili Lu
170
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Posted - 2012.02.01 00:02:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote: This is a proposal simply because some people want a respec option and CCP has already been looking into it and the CSM didn't shoot it down entirely. It is very likely that a respec option of some sort is going to happen eventually whether we want it to or not. Might as well make sure that we have ideas out there so CCP can at least do it with as little impact on the game as possible.
Again...it will likely happen. Whether we want it or not is going to be irrelevant. Oh where is your support for that - the bolded and underlined part? Simply stating something does not make it so. You don't have any support for that statement. It is your worry, not mine and not that of almost all of the people who have responded to your proposal.
Tekashi Kovacs wrote:I lol'd. The only ones not wanting ANY form of respec are those psychopathic hardcores and masochists, who likes to punish themselves for no reason. Fortunately, they dont represent the Majority. So you try refuting a statement that the majority are opposed to respecs by saying no a majority support respecs. Ok, where's your polling data. Your supposed majority is a lie.
We don't have polling data about what the majority of eve players would prefer. Regardless, whatever the majority opinion might be, this is not a political election where the majority opinion matters and will determine the course CCP follows. It is a business, and they have to calculate the depth of feling of whatever portion of customer base feels either way.
The important consideration is which way will the game lose subscribers. Will CCP lose tenuous new players who trained astrogeo 4, made some money mining for a while as noobs with their mining cruiser or retriever, and then went pvp and wish they could have that sp allocated in medium ac spec? Will CCP lose a couple hundred butthurt supercarrier pilots who fotm chased when scs were ridiculously op and now want to dump fighter-bomber sp for titan sp? Or, will CCP lose many varied and long-standing players who resent the change in the core game mechanics that could only favor fotm chasing and pouting brats? CCP will then ask how many players will we lose out of these groups with either path.
One thing that is clear is CCP did the math after the shitstorm of protest with the incarna P2W fiasco. CCP learned that it can't **** up the game without provoking a response that will kill it. Poeple did walk with their account renewals, until CCP apologized and refocused on the core game aspects. So, ask yourself, does CCP have a stable sp mechanic going that may result in some minor petulent or spoiled quitting by fotm fickle customers, or does CCP fear the shitstorm? I think the last protest to radical redesign of the core game mechanics showed that CCP does fear the shitstorm, and rightly so.
BTW, also ask yourself why the vast majority of the responses to your proposal have been negative? But you seem persistent, so I'm sure even while you profess to not be in favor of the concept behind your proposal you will continue to argue for it. Have fun wasting your time. And may the sisters of eve (bow to the rp segment of the eve populace, whould I run for something? ) have mercy on your soul if by some chance you are right because you will be rather unhappy with the sorry game that would result. |

Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1004
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Posted - 2012.02.01 00:36:00 -
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Hey I am only replying to this thread when someone else does. I am not bumping it needlessly. It is obvious it is mostly hated by those that browse these forums. You are more than welcome to not respond to this thread at all and let it die. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
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