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EvilChipmunk
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Posted - 2007.09.16 05:14:00 -
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Edited by: EvilChipmunk on 16/09/2007 05:15:06
I was wondering whats a good way to take down a crow in a ceptor duel? not so sure if long range would be good because they can get crazy transversals and have no probs, and you would need a ridiculous setup to close in on them. Any ideas?
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.09.16 06:41:00 -
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use a crow as well.
Seriously, a crow is the premiere anti-ceptor ceptor. Missiles = no worries on tracking = doesnt suffer dps issues when going fast. Sure it'll have trouble when the target can outrun the missiles, but this is rare, and nothing can keep up such speed forever after all...
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tarin adur
Gallente
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.09.16 06:59:00 -
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I can do it in my taranis,thought it takes some practice,basicly if they're robit speed > your top speed you won't catch them in short range ships. If you know your not gonna get in web range, fit rails/pulse(or is it beams) and hope your alpha is better then his.
If you must go short-range, then once they orbit you,mwd away from them then turn around and go head at them, with good timing you can get a web cycle off and pick it up from there.
Not all that hard tbh,I killed Gistii crows with Domination disruptors in my T2 Blasterranis
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Goshinko
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Posted - 2007.09.16 07:38:00 -
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 Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
use a crow as well.
Seriously, a crow is the premiere anti-ceptor ceptor. Missiles = no worries on tracking = doesnt suffer dps issues when going fast. Sure it'll have trouble when the target can outrun the missiles, but this is rare, and nothing can keep up such speed forever after all...
Lolwut? Any inty going 5km/s+(which is, what, every serious inty except taranis and raptor?) will COMPLETELY evade your missile damage because of the absolute crap explosion velocity, regardless of how fast your missiles are. Well, maybe you'll score a hit for .1 damage.
And regarding that statement regarding how no inty can keep up that speed forever... That might as well include the crow, if you fit no cap mods and don't have good cap skills. If you fit just 1 cap mod, every ceptor can perma-run MWD.
@ OP: Crusader, because it has the speed to be all over the FASTEST crow, and absolutely rip them open like a chainsaw through a tin can (high damage against Crow's biggest HP buffer and lowest resist.)
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Augeas
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Posted - 2007.09.16 10:37:00 -
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Lolwut? Any inty going 5km/s+(which is, what, every serious inty except taranis and raptor?) will COMPLETELY evade your missile damage because of the absolute crap explosion velocity, regardless of how fast your missiles are.
I suggest that you look at the explosion velocity on Precision Lights, and the skill "Target Navigation Prediction"...
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Semkhet
Saudarkars
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Posted - 2007.09.16 10:42:00 -
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Edited by: Semkhet on 16/09/2007 10:49:40
Originally by: Goshinko
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
use a crow as well.
Seriously, a crow is the premiere anti-ceptor ceptor. Missiles = no worries on tracking = doesnt suffer dps issues when going fast. Sure it'll have trouble when the target can outrun the missiles, but this is rare, and nothing can keep up such speed forever after all...
Lolwut? Any inty going 5km/s+(which is, what, every serious inty except taranis and raptor?) will COMPLETELY evade your missile damage because of the absolute crap explosion velocity, regardless of how fast your missiles are. Well, maybe you'll score a hit for .1 damage.
And regarding that statement regarding how no inty can keep up that speed forever... That might as well include the crow, if you fit no cap mods and don't have good cap skills. If you fit just 1 cap mod, every ceptor can perma-run MWD.
@ OP: Crusader, because it has the speed to be all over the FASTEST crow, and absolutely rip them open like a chainsaw through a tin can (high damage against Crow's biggest HP buffer and lowest resist.)
A Crusader can't do zilch against a Gistii/Snake Crow. Put a web and the Crow can warp away at will. Put a scrambler and your guns won't hit at the speed you have to maintain to keep up with the Crow (not to mention for how long you will be able to sustain the MWD, scrambler and guns...).
Been there plenty of times. Never encountered another ceptor able to pwn my Crow, at the contrary: in the worst case, they manage to escape and that's it. And if one day you engage a Crow which has the same pimped setup, neither of you will be able to damage the other one.
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Semkhet
Saudarkars
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Posted - 2007.09.16 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: tarin adur
Not all that hard tbh,I killed Gistii crows with Domination disruptors in my T2 Blasterranis
Then you fought nublets, because to start with, you wouldn't even manage to enter in your Taranis targeting range against a Crow pilot enjoying all relevant support skills maxed out.
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Andreya
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Posted - 2007.09.16 12:55:00 -
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the crow is one of the ship in eve that are more aimed at engaging ships larger than itself and surviving.
a decent inty pilot should never get killed by a crow 1 vs 1, you will take minimal damage, and its easy to break their orbits, escaping the warp scram,
killing one can be difficult, but with overheating, killing intys and vagas becomes much easier
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Hakaro Ino
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.09.16 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Augeas
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Lolwut? Any inty going 5km/s+(which is, what, every serious inty except taranis and raptor?) will COMPLETELY evade your missile damage because of the absolute crap explosion velocity, regardless of how fast your missiles are.
I suggest that you look at the explosion velocity on Precision Lights, and the skill "Target Navigation Prediction"...
i suggest you look at the speed penalty for using those missiles and tell me what your gonna do when a taranis gets into blaster range and eats you up in seconds
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Kerdrak
3B Legio IX
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.16 14:27:00 -
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Crusader: aproach, hit F1-F4, enable disruptor, wait 4 seconds, grab gistii if survived, post killmail.
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Reem Fairchild
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Posted - 2007.09.16 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
and nothing can keep up such speed forever after all...
Why would it be difficult to keep up a high speed on an interceptor? Aside from the mwd itself, the mods nedeed to run at higher speeds do not interfere with the cap and cap usage. If anything, an ultrafast interceptor is likely to be running a gistii a-type mwd which uses a lot less cap than a tech 2. So, it's actually easier to run your mwd permanently on a really fast interceptor than on a slower one.
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Dark Alex
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.09.16 14:45:00 -
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Claw is faster than crow. Fit 250mm arty, get minimum transversal by hitting Aproach. 3-4 shots and Crow is dead or warped away.
I believe same for Crusader.
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Tovran
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.09.16 14:53:00 -
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Personally, I fly crow and unless I know the person in the inty I am going to fight is some kind of nub you have to be damn careful. So you want to kill a missile crow? Simple, fit long range weapons head away from it in a straight line. If it persues it's transversal will drop to near nothing while your speed goes to near max. It will be dead 3 volleys after that. And then he has gisti and snakes does not hold as you can also have gisti and snakes.
If you are short range, you have to preform a manual move I term "reversing orbit". Simply approach as much as you can, then when they swing around behind you in their orbit, stop following and head forward full speed, towards where they will be swinging around. This will throw off an orbit by more then 10kms, allow you a web cycle, and the speed drop of the crow will be enough to nail the approach button again, catch it and melt it.
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Vallour
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Posted - 2007.09.16 15:28:00 -
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blaster ranis.
damage control, 2 overdrive II's and overload on
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Soros
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.09.16 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Vallour
blaster ranis.
damage control, 2 overdrive II's and overload on
dont even need overload .. I've been at 30% structure in my taranis vs a crow got a lucky web and popped him before his next volley
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6Bagheera9
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.09.16 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tovran
Personally, I fly crow and unless I know the person in the inty I am going to fight is some kind of nub you have to be damn careful. So you want to kill a missile crow? Simple, fit long range weapons head away from it in a straight line. If it persues it's transversal will drop to near nothing while your speed goes to near max. It will be dead 3 volleys after that. And then he has gisti and snakes does not hold as you can also have gisti and snakes.
If you are short range, you have to preform a manual move I term "reversing orbit". Simply approach as much as you can, then when they swing around behind you in their orbit, stop following and head forward full speed, towards where they will be swinging around. This will throw off an orbit by more then 10kms, allow you a web cycle, and the speed drop of the crow will be enough to nail the approach button again, catch it and melt it.
The RL technical term for that maneuver is called scissoring.
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Leon 026
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.09.16 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Augeas
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Lolwut? Any inty going 5km/s+(which is, what, every serious inty except taranis and raptor?) will COMPLETELY evade your missile damage because of the absolute crap explosion velocity, regardless of how fast your missiles are.
I suggest that you look at the explosion velocity on Precision Lights, and the skill "Target Navigation Prediction"...
Target Navigation V + Precision lights = exp.v of 4.7km/s
You still do **** poor damage, on an average inty with max skills.
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Raxlar Kalimar
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Posted - 2007.09.16 18:46:00 -
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Just wondering, firetail?
I know its not an interceptor but it has the caractoristics of one.
I think its faster than a crow? Well i have never flown a crow but i know i can get 6km out of a firetail with no preticually special mods.
How would you set it up?
Like I said just a thought.
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Leon 026
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.09.16 18:53:00 -
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If you can push your firetail up to hit 10km/s+, then maybe. The average 'pimp' cap recharger crow can go about 13-15km/s, but like my previous post, these crows are unable to dogfight due to the lack of a web (and the beauty of the checks and balances is that if they do fit a web, then they'll either run out of cap half-way, or they'll have to modify their setup, nerfing the speed), either way, even IF a 14km/s crow does have a web, thats an awfully expensive inty to get within web range and lose ALL previous speed advantage. Average pimp crow will cost about 700-900mil depending on where you get your implants (if low grade, 2bil+ for full grade set).
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Raxlar Kalimar
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Posted - 2007.09.16 19:17:00 -
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The 6km/s is with no implants and I don't even have my navigation skills maxed.
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ColonelKurtz
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.16 19:33:00 -
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make sure you have a rapier with you, then when you and the crow start the 1 v 1, the rapier uncloaks and webs the **** out of him.
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Semkhet
Saudarkars
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Posted - 2007.09.17 08:47:00 -
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Edited by: Semkhet on 17/09/2007 08:52:04
A lot of incorrect assumptions in this thread.
After you reach a given speed, what counts is agility, not all-out speed. A Crow DPS can be pretty decent when using the right launchers with faction missiles and a Caldari Navy BCU, specially taking into account that a Crow can start to "process" another inty long before the opponent gets even a chance to just enter in targeting range.
Besides, everybody mentions peak speed, when what counts is the optimal balance between speed and agility when it comes to orbit speed. For example, I orbit between 9 Km/sec to 10 Km/sec according to setup and range is 28 Km. Peak escape or approach speed at 20 Km/sec if necessary, and this without even a CS with gang mods as support.
For those who think that it's easy to escape from or approach a 28 Km orbiting pimped Crow, bear in mind that Crow pilots were among the first ones to train heat since MWD's belong to the modules which most benefit from this additional capability. So if you think about using heat, don't think that you are the only one who can, and since the Crow pilot don't need to micromanage much, his whole attention can focus on your speed. Switch heat on and he will do the same in the next second, and since you used heat before he did your gear will probably break up first.
The only effective thing you will accomplish when using MWD heat against a pimped Crow is that by obliging the Crow to activate heat himself, his orbit will expand for a short time until he corrects it. This might just provide you a window of opportunity to warp out by escaping the scram range.
I always laugh when people criticize Crow pilots by saying that all what they can do is to orbit. FYI, at those speeds, you simply can't navigate manually with precision due to the delay existing between the game interface at what really happens in game. 500 millisecs of lag and you're off your mark by 5 Km easy. When using the orbit AI, you somewhat minimize these delays.
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Semkhet
Saudarkars
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Posted - 2007.09.17 09:08:00 -
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Originally by: Leon 026
all you have to do is to keep him close and force him to drop his speed for easy killing.
Would be interesting to know how you accomplish this against the ceptor which has the highest default targeting range with weaponry hitting up to 40 Km away and usually orbiting faster than what you can achieve as peak speed in straight line...
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