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met worst Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 72	Posted - 2012.01.19 20:45:00 - [1] - Quote A minute extraction.... For the bears to digest. (source, latest CSM minutes) Quote: .....Maybe a solution would be to allow the killer to get a cut of the insurance payout his victim gets? CSM liked this idea, perhaps a payout to 10 or 20%? So the CSM (as a whole?) thinks the shooter should get 10-20% of YOUR insurance? Quote: One CSM comment was that if a player gets shot down by Concord, he shouldn't get a cut of the payout from the poor guy he just ganked. Hello. A CSM member who actually thinks before he speaks? Quote: The CSM was not unanimous in that sentiment. Go figure. The CSM - mostly nullseccers with oodles of passive moon cash telling CCP that carebears should not only be ganked but they should also pay a thankyou bonus to the dude that shot him. "We represent everyone"..... Yep. Sure. It's a fine thing you did there CSM. [slow clap]
Famble Three's a Crowd 260	Posted - 2012.01.19 20:47:00 - [2] - Quote This will not end well for you... If anyone ever looks at you and says, "Hold my beer, watch this,"-á you're probably going to want to pay attention.
Eternum Praetorian Black Ops Trade Group 421	Posted - 2012.01.19 20:48:00 - [3] - Quote I think here is where I type "CSM 6 is the greatest CSM of all time" I really need to stop playing this stupid game. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
Joe SMASH You Got A Purty Mouth 55	Posted - 2012.01.19 20:49:00 - [4] - Quote You are welcome to vote for a candidate that represents your values and beliefs at every election cycle. It's not CSM's fault that your values are in the minority of CSM voters. As long as CSM is a majoirty vote, it'll be controlled by power blocks. Unite the bears under one candidate and get them ALL to vote. All the bears united would make a CSM chairman by far.
KrakizBad Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension 227	Posted - 2012.01.19 20:50:00 - [5] - Quote Post with your main. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg
Elessa Enaka State War Academy Caldari State 26	Posted - 2012.01.19 20:55:00 - [6] - Quote met worst wrote: The CSM - mostly nullseccers with oodles of passive moon cash telling CCP that carebears should not only be ganked but they should also pay a thankyou bonus to the dude that shot him. "We represent everyone"..... Yep. Sure. It's a fine thing you did there CSM. [slow clap] ^^that right there is some bullshit, ganking, sure, that is at least somewhat acceptable, but if you want to commit a crime (which it is otherwise CONCORD wouldn't be killing you for popping their ship), you should pay the price for the crime, not siphon off some of the insurance money that your victim would receive. If anything, there should be *more* consequences for pirates and negative sec status asshats. One of my alts is a pirate and it is waaaaaaaaaay too easy to grind sec status, if you want to make a choice to live a life of crime in New Eden, then you should have to deal with the consequences. Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been
stoicfaux 656	Posted - 2012.01.19 21:08:00 - [7] - Quote To add some more context: Quote: the CSM said it's hard to make money by PVP'ing, most people now grind money so they can PVP. By adjusting somehow the drops from PvP, it could be possible to make it viable to only PvP, ISK vice. There's a fundamental disconnect in how people want PvP to work in Eve. There's: a) Casual PvP, aka mindless PvP such as RvB, low-sec roams, etc., similar to how PvP in Team Fortress or Planetside works. Meaning, PvP is cheap to do and has no real consequences for losing or winning. versus b) Hard-Core PvP, aka empire building. Much like real life, you can't just run around shooting people without some serious planning, support, and infrastructure. Meaning, if you want to run around shooting people, you have to have the logistics, infrastructure, and economic means to support a PvP lifestyle. Example: Do you really think Mexico would have so many murders without the drug trade providing the income to support it? People need to realize that Eve caters more to the latter than the former. You can tell me what is and isn't true when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
met worst Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 72	Posted - 2012.01.19 21:12:00 - [8] - Quote Joe SMASH wrote: You are welcome to vote for a candidate that represents your values and beliefs at every election cycle. It's not CSM's fault that your values are in the minority of CSM voters. As long as CSM is a majoirty vote, it'll be controlled by power blocks. Unite the bears under one candidate and get them ALL to vote. All the bears united would make a CSM chairman by far. Missed the point? CCP scrubs insurance on ganks because it didn't make sense. CSM says take insurance from the gankee. You're not seeing how stupid that sounds? (I'm trying to give them credit by stating it must have been a "drunken faux pa" - they CAN'T be that stupid.)
Eternum Praetorian Black Ops Trade Group 422	Posted - 2012.01.19 21:19:00 - [9] - Quote Joe SMASH wrote: You are welcome to vote for a candidate that represents your values and beliefs at every election cycle. It's not CSM's fault that your values are in the minority of CSM voters. As long as CSM is a majoirty vote, it'll be controlled by power blocks. Unite the bears under one candidate and get them ALL to vote. All the bears united would make a CSM chairman by far. I do not pay attention to your stupid post, because you must be aware of how the voting system is heavily exploitable. I Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
Lyris Nairn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 6360	Posted - 2012.01.19 21:34:00 - [10] - Quote Eternum Praetorian wrote: Joe SMASH wrote: You are welcome to vote for a candidate that represents your values and beliefs at every election cycle. It's not CSM's fault that your values are in the minority of CSM voters. As long as CSM is a majoirty vote, it'll be controlled by power blocks. Unite the bears under one candidate and get them ALL to vote. All the bears united would make a CSM chairman by far. I will not pay attention to your stupid post, because you must be aware of how the voting system is heavily exploited. If you are not aware, then you have proven your post as being stupid. I am aware of how it is "exploited," but I do not believe that functionality to be an exploit. Will you pay attention to my post? Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer
Eternum Praetorian Black Ops Trade Group 422	Posted - 2012.01.19 21:39:00 - [11] - Quote Lyris Nairn wrote: Eternum Praetorian wrote: Joe SMASH wrote: You are welcome to vote for a candidate that represents your values and beliefs at every election cycle. It's not CSM's fault that your values are in the minority of CSM voters. As long as CSM is a majoirty vote, it'll be controlled by power blocks. Unite the bears under one candidate and get them ALL to vote. All the bears united would make a CSM chairman by far. I will not pay attention to your stupid post, because you must be aware of how the voting system is heavily exploited. If you are not aware, then you have proven your post as being stupid. I am aware of how it is "exploited," but I do not believe that functionality to be an exploit. Will you pay attention to my post? Not until 1 set of account information = 1 vote. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
Lyris Nairn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 6360	Posted - 2012.01.19 21:50:00 - [12] - Quote Eternum Praetorian wrote: Lyris Nairn wrote: Eternum Praetorian wrote: Joe SMASH wrote: You are welcome to vote for a candidate that represents your values and beliefs at every election cycle. It's not CSM's fault that your values are in the minority of CSM voters. As long as CSM is a majoirty vote, it'll be controlled by power blocks. Unite the bears under one candidate and get them ALL to vote. All the bears united would make a CSM chairman by far. I will not pay attention to your stupid post, because you must be aware of how the voting system is heavily exploited. If you are not aware, then you have proven your post as being stupid. I am aware of how it is "exploited," but I do not believe that functionality to be an exploit. Will you pay attention to my post? Not until 1 set of account information = 1 vote, or until such time the whole system gets overhauled. Why does that even matter? If you allege the problem is that people with multiple accounts have superior voting power, then why is the solution not for those without multiple accounts to simply subscribe more accounts so that they have that same amount of voting power? It is like saying that someone who works more hours at a job shouldn't get more money in wages paid to him than someone who works half as many hours at the same job. Do you see the analogy? Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer
Eternum Praetorian Black Ops Trade Group 422	Posted - 2012.01.19 21:57:00 - [13] - Quote And yet, all voting systems in existence disagree with you. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
Fan Shu Proposition Thirteen The Third Rail 1	Posted - 2012.01.19 22:05:00 - [14] - Quote So, what about those that cannot afford multiple accounts? Are you offering to buy them all accounts to make sure everyone gets the same number of votes?
Lyris Nairn GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 6360	Posted - 2012.01.19 22:21:00 - [15] - Quote Fan Shu wrote: So, what about those that cannot afford multiple accounts? Are you offering to buy them all accounts to make sure everyone gets the same number of votes? If I can finance multiple accounts with ISK then so can other people. ~Bootstraps~ Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM I am the Pubbie Whisperer
B DeLeon DeLeon Industries 22	Posted - 2012.01.19 22:26:00 - [16] - Quote Instead of constantly complaining about the CSM's work you guys should convince Chribba to run for CSM. I can't imagine better candidate from the high sec population with an actual real chance
Sakkar Arenith PIE Inc. 37	Posted - 2012.01.19 22:39:00 - [17] - Quote well, the issue was that being a "pvp'er" by profession isn't viable ISK wise... First of all CCP, WOW you really think so? After only 9 years?! And guess what the solution would be to that? Make being a Pirate viable. Not by insurance sharing or what not (how ****** is that idea anyway...?!). The simple solution that we suggested back in 2004 was to simply introduce a proper "ransom" mechanic.... A possibility for someone to realistically pay their way out of defeat. Thus making proper "pirating" viable. Instead EVE nowadays is fully of ****** kids twitching to "blow stuff up". With no reason but pure carnage whatsoever... That is neither realistic, nor is it sensible... but as always, that will not be fixed until CCP is on the brink of financial ruin (which will be here sooner than most think...) and will be forced to actually fix broken core mechanics.
Super Chair Project Cerberus 126	Posted - 2012.01.19 22:45:00 - [18] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: To add some more context: Quote: the CSM said it's hard to make money by PVP'ing, most people now grind money so they can PVP. By adjusting somehow the drops from PvP, it could be possible to make it viable to only PvP, ISK vice. There's a fundamental disconnect in how people want PvP to work in Eve. There's: a) Casual PvP, aka mindless PvP such as RvB, low-sec roams, etc., similar to how PvP in Team Fortress or Planetside works. Meaning, PvP is cheap to do and has no real consequences for losing or winning. versus b) Hard-Core PvP, aka empire building. Much like real life, you can't just run around shooting people without some serious planning, support, and infrastructure. Meaning, if you want to run around shooting people, you have to have the logistics, infrastructure, and economic means to support a PvP lifestyle. Example: Do you really think Mexico would have so many murders without the drug trade providing the income to support it? People need to realize that Eve caters more to the latter than the former. You can already make money off PvP. It's called loot. I get anywhere from 4-20 mil in drops off a t2 fit hurricane, 1-8 mil off most t2 fit frigates. Add in killing faction fits and you get even more isk from drops. I recently killed a faction fit hookbill, with a total of 50 mil from faction drops alone (I blew the wreck anyway because local spiked well before I was in range to loot the wreck) . Can't make money off PvP? Stop being bad at it.
Killstealing Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 361	Posted - 2012.01.19 22:45:00 - [19] - Quote Joe SMASH wrote: You are welcome to vote for a candidate that represents your values and beliefs at every election cycle. It's not CSM's fault that your values are in the minority of CSM voters. As long as CSM is a majoirty vote, it'll be controlled by power blocks. Unite the bears under one candidate and get them ALL to vote. All the bears united would make a CSM chairman by far. it would be the worst chair ever
Killstealing Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 361	Posted - 2012.01.19 22:46:00 - [20] - Quote I mean seriously do you want the CSM to be chaired by some guy who lives in the most boring part of eve (EVEN MORE boring than all blue all the time nullsec)
Killstealing Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 361	Posted - 2012.01.19 22:47:00 - [21] - Quote IMO if you made the conscious decision to live in that part of eve you don't get to be in any position of power.
Super Chair Project Cerberus 126	Posted - 2012.01.19 22:54:00 - [22] - Quote Killstealing wrote: IMO if you made the conscious decision to live in that part of eve you don't get to be in any position of power. I think the CSM should be restructured to have all areas of playstyles represented (they don't have to all have equal number of CSMs per area of the game, but at least have all areas represented). In american government, you have the house (where more populous states have more say) and then there is the senate, where all states are represented, regardless of the states population. I come from the least populous state in my country, but it has a say, however small. However the CSM election process is just the majority vote with no minority representation.
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief 273	Posted - 2012.01.19 23:34:00 - [23] - Quote I think the isk for the insurance payout to the victim should come from the ganker, at least for high sec gankings. If PvP types don't like "grinding for isk" let them purchase a PLEX. CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. Subscribers can never answer a question posed to CCP. Only CCP can.
Berendas Clandestine Vector THE SPACE P0LICE 175	Posted - 2012.01.19 23:35:00 - [24] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: To add some more context: the CSM a) Casual PvP, aka mindless PvP such as RvB, low-sec roams, etc., similar to how PvP in Team Fortress or Planetside works. Meaning, PvP is cheap to do and has no real consequences for losing or winning. versus b) Hard-Core PvP, aka empire building. Much like real life, you can't just run around shooting people without some serious planning, support, and infrastructure. Meaning, if you want to run around shooting people, you have to have the logistics, infrastructure, and economic means to support a PvP lifestyle. Example: Do you really think Mexico would have so many murders without the drug trade providing the income to support it? People need to realize that Eve caters more to the latter than the former. Implying that low sec PVP isnt hardcore The only part of hardcore PVP in 'empire building' is the devotion and attention that is required of the people that acutally do the work and organize things. The average nullbear drone just jumps in a fleet and shoot at whoever is called primary. Small gang PVP requires vastly more skill and thought, so it all depends on what your definition of hardcore is when you try and classify PVP.
Vigrioth Stoneclaw Pillage and Plunder Salvage Co. 5	Posted - 2012.01.20 00:01:00 - [25] - Quote Has to be a CSM-CCP Meeting troll, cause most of the responses here are. But, in the event that it isn't, here's how stupid it is... I should pay $450-$900 (10-20% of the $4500 damage to my car) to the drunk woman that rear-ended me on December 29th, 2011. See, how stupid is that? It would be like inviting every moron in a beater to slam into your nice car just so they can get a pay day. Anyone that supports this is a buffoon, lacking any intelligence or foresight. It would put the lie to the phrase "Eve is a game of consequences". If CCP actually implemented something like this, the hurricane that would ensue would make the Incarna debacle seem like a wet fart in comparison. Eve is hard. It's harder if you are a sniveling, whining fool with an overblown sense of entitlement.
Elessa Enaka State War Academy Caldari State 28	Posted - 2012.01.20 01:03:00 - [26] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: I think the isk for the insurance payout to the victim should come from the ganker, at least for high sec gankings. If PvP types don't like "grinding for isk" let them purchase a PLEX. not empty quoting Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been
Daniel L'Siata Echelon Conflict Resolution. Psychotic Tendencies. 77	Posted - 2012.01.20 01:19:00 - [27] - Quote OP clearly failed reading and comprehension at school. The payout is to be an independent payout which does not impact the amount you receive, but is based off it. I'm very unconvinced on how this would work out though.
Vigrioth Stoneclaw Pillage and Plunder Salvage Co. 8	Posted - 2012.01.20 01:35:00 - [28] - Quote Daniel L'Siata wrote: OP clearly failed reading and comprehension at school. The payout is to be an independent payout which does not impact the amount you receive, but is based off it. I'm very unconvinced on how this would work out though. Doesn't matter if it's independent or not, it's a bad idea overall. It's rewarding bad behavior and removing consequences for such. As I said before, for a game supposedly all about consequences, it would even remotely resemble any for acts like this. If you want to throw your ship away on a gank, great. But they removed insurance for such activities as an intended consequence. Enacting this would essentially just give insurance to gankers once more. As for the aforementioned idea that the insurance payout should come from the ganker, it's a nice idea, but no. That would all but kill Hisec ganking, and let's face it, hisec could use a little excitement now and then.
Mars Theran EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance 68	Posted - 2012.01.20 01:39:00 - [29] - Quote Joe SMASH wrote: You are welcome to vote for a candidate that represents your values and beliefs at every election cycle. It's not CSM's fault that your values are in the minority of CSM voters. As long as CSM is a majoirty vote, it'll be controlled by power blocks. Unite the bears under one candidate and get them ALL to vote. All the bears united would make a CSM chairman by far. Eventually, voting will be irrelevent, given CCP wants to shift to a different means of election. Maybe sooner than later. Fact is, when you've got 5K people + Alts on your side, it's pretty hard to beat.
Covert Kitty SRS Industries SRS. 144	Posted - 2012.01.20 01:45:00 - [30] - Quote Quote: So, what about those that cannot afford multiple accounts? .... They get less voting power? obviously. 1 vote per non-trial account, why is this even an argument? There's no other good way of doing it from a technical perspective, or even from a fairness perspective.

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