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Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.01.20 02:01:00 -
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The CSM is a figment of their own imaginations. The only ones who believe they exist is CCP. I understand they're drinkin' buddies. IF anything kills this game, it'll be the CSM schmoozing CCP into tailoring the game to their preferred modality.
When CCP at last only has CSMs for their playerbase, and they're paying with PLEX, the tale of the tape will finally be told.
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
136
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Posted - 2012.01.20 02:07:00 -
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remove the CSM |
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
14
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Posted - 2012.01.20 02:28:00 -
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I get the feeling from reading the OP that this is probably part of CCP throwing around ideas to fix the bounty system. This sort of idea has been put forward a few times in F&I so perhaps they're just brainstorming it. |
Tyraeil Starblade
Eleutherian Guard
11
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Posted - 2012.01.20 03:08:00 -
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met worst: Making mountains out of mole hills, one post at a time. |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
238
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Posted - 2012.01.20 05:34:00 -
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Tyraeil Starblade wrote:met worst: Making mountains out of mole hills, one post at a time. Nice opinion you have there. (There's one in every crowd. I know cliches, too.)
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Tyraeil Starblade
Ronin Wing
11
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Posted - 2012.01.20 05:46:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Tyraeil Starblade wrote:met worst: Making mountains out of mole hills, one post at a time. Nice opinion you have there. (There's one in every crowd. I know cliches, too.)
Bust out the tinfoil hats. CSM are all self-serving losers!
A little self interest isn't such a bad thing, you can't expect anyone that holds any position to not have some ounce of self servitude in them... really, that's not how things work. And from reading the minutes, I think the CSM are players first and they want to build upon Eve, not take it down.
I may not agree with all of their opinions on Eve's direction, but I'm certainly not deluded and full of myself enough to spew vitriol all over the place.
Anyhow, I enjoy the rage posts all the same, keep 'em coming  |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
871
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Posted - 2012.01.20 06:40:00 -
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Selective quoting for the win!
Making PVP more profitable was the point under discussion.
Basing a bounty like reward upon the insurance value of a destroyed player characters ship was the more rational side of the proposition, not taking part of a persons insurance pay out.
Opinion was divided on how to achieve this goal, understandably.
The sentiment behind making PVP a more profitable profession is a worthy one. If you can make a decent living at PVP, more people will be encouraged to try their hand at it... which is a point pretty hard to argue with. While we all know that it is possible to make a living doing PVP now, we also know that with the remarkable tendency of loot thieves (or even your own gang mates) to beat you to the loot can make this problematic at best.
It's pretty obvious that this is a very slippery slope, as if proper care is not taken this will also disproportionately reward the suicide ganking community. I believe such a concept, if seriously considered, could work if this pay out followed the same rules as insurance payout for suicide ganking and also for NPC bounty payouts do now.
In other words, upon killing a player character a timer would start. Every 15 minutes any "bounty" payouts for your PVP activities would be paid... UNLESS your ship was destroyed by Concord during that time period.
Obviously the victim would still receive his full insurance payout as normal.
This system would, without a doubt, encourage PVP activities if the payouts were properly balanced (so as not to encourage people to gank their own alts or themselves)... which would be fairly easy to do. This system would also make both the pirate AND the mercenary professions viable again... and could very well form the basis for a workable bounty hunter profession.
It is worth considering.
Edit:
Additional points that come to mind.
Any payout would be split evenly among a individuals on the killmail.
If any member on the kill mail is destroyed by Concord during the delay period, it is invalidated for everyone.
And as a final note, in case anyone wonders who would pay this bounty... there isn't a single character out there right now that doesn't have enemies (NPC or otherwise). Whether they be market competitors, NPC pirate factions, rival corporations, or simply by virtue of being a citizen of the wrong empire. Everyone has someone that would theoretically be willing to fork over a bit of coin for proof of their ship destruction.
Revenge should not stop at the ship!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
mkint
704
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Posted - 2012.01.20 06:42:00 -
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never confuse drunkeness with maliciousness and incompetence. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
796
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Posted - 2012.01.20 07:27:00 -
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Joe SMASH wrote:You are welcome to vote for a candidate that represents your values and beliefs at every election cycle.
It's not CSM's fault that your values are in the minority of CSM voters. As long as CSM is a majoirty vote, it'll be controlled by power blocks. Unite the bears under one candidate and get them ALL to vote. All the bears united would make a CSM chairman by far.
This has never been more true. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Cascade Imminent
233
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Posted - 2012.01.20 07:40:00 -
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FIX BOUNTY SYSTEM |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
326
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Posted - 2012.01.20 08:00:00 -
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Elessa Enaka wrote:met worst wrote:
The CSM - mostly nullseccers with oodles of passive moon cash telling CCP that carebears should not only be ganked but they should also pay a thankyou bonus to the dude that shot him.
"We represent everyone"..... Yep. Sure.
It's a fine thing you did there CSM. [slow clap]
^^that right there is some bullshit, ganking, sure, that is at least somewhat acceptable, but if you want to commit a crime (which it is otherwise CONCORD wouldn't be killing you for popping their ship), you should pay the price for the crime, not siphon off some of the insurance money that your victim would receive. If anything, there should be more consequences for pirates and negative sec status asshats. One of my alts is a pirate and it is waaaaaaaaaay too easy to grind sec status, if you want to make a choice to live a life of crime in New Eden, then you should have to deal with the consequences.
You don't know what you're talking about.
PVP is not "bad behavior".
Sorry that your ship got blowed up at some point. But, welcome to EVE, HTFU go make more ISK. You think PVPers don't lose ships? You just have victim complexes.
PVPers lose many more ships than you EVER will lose in EVE as a carebear - just because you got your wittle ship bwowed up one time by a suicide ganker means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
239
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Posted - 2012.01.20 08:21:00 -
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Tyraeil Starblade wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Tyraeil Starblade wrote:met worst: Making mountains out of mole hills, one post at a time. Nice opinion you have there. (There's one in every crowd. I know cliches, too.) Bust out the tinfoil hats. CSM are all self-serving losers! A little self interest isn't such a bad thing, you can't expect anyone that holds any position to not have some ounce of self servitude in them... really, that's not how things work. And from reading the minutes, I think the CSM are players first and they want to build upon Eve, not take it down. I may not agree with all of their opinions on Eve's direction, but I'm certainly not deluded and full of myself enough to spew vitriol all over the place. Anyhow, I enjoy the rage posts all the same, keep 'em coming
Rage? Maybe you need your emote meter calibrated. I read your post as apologist. Nothing more.
It's funny how the vandals always characterize their "opposition" as being butthurt over losing one ship. I guess it's easier to flay the dead elephant that way, since facts don't seem to be their strong point.
The larger point, beyond the grasp of the merely destructive among us, is all the talk of adding layers and layers of complication. When you peel back the layers, you see a handful of people benefitting, a host of people not...and a CSM (or two) in there "objectively" herding CCP into their direction...representative of what?
What's ironic is, these same people complain about real life government being self-serving.
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
My Postman
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2012.01.20 11:18:00 -
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Good thinking OP, i bet this is what the current powerblocks want.
Recieve my "like". |
Weiland Taur
Ceptic Innovations
Rebel Alliance of New Eden
12
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:04:00 -
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Killstealing wrote:I mean seriously do you want the CSM to be chaired by some guy who lives in the most boring part of eve (EVEN MORE boring than all blue all the time nullsec)
Seriously? Incursions ganking, non stop complaining about ganks, a highly succesful ice interdiction, ganking and more ganking, griefing, popping, flipping? Come on. It seems high sec is where it's at. Face it kiddies, null is the burbs.
If the forums are to be believed. |
Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe
EVE Corporation 123566322353
290
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:29:00 -
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met worst wrote:"We represent everyone"..... Yep. Sure.
The CSM don't represent "everyone", they represent whoever voted them in. Welcome to democracy. |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
361
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:12:00 -
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Weiland Taur wrote:Killstealing wrote:I mean seriously do you want the CSM to be chaired by some guy who lives in the most boring part of eve (EVEN MORE boring than all blue all the time nullsec) Seriously? Incursions ganking, non stop complaining about ganks, a highly succesful ice interdiction, ganking and more ganking, griefing, popping, flipping? Come on. It seems high sec is where it's at. Face it kiddies, null is the burbs. If the forums are to be believed.
in null sec we get this **** around the clock so no big deal, when some hi sec duder gets his gank hymen broken it's immediately something post worthy |
Valei Khurelem
192
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:18:00 -
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..... You know what? I think that CCP should have a special EVE holiday, every year called Red Week, perhaps CCP should even make it random so people don't have time to prepare for it, what will happen is they'll simply turn every single system in EVE 0.0 and wait for the chaos to happen, that means, no CONCORD no high sec or navy ships.
I bet you even the CSM crowd will rage on the forums about it.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Mirima Thurander
Sarajevo Syndicate
True Reign
250
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Posted - 2012.01.22 17:55:00 -
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met worst wrote:A minute extraction.... For the bears to digest. (source, latest CSM minutes) Quote:.....Maybe a solution would be to allow the killer to get a cut of the insurance payout his victim gets? CSM liked this idea, perhaps a payout to 10 or 20%?
So the CSM (as a whole?) thinks the shooter should get 10-20% of YOUR insurance? Quote:One CSM comment was that if a player gets shot down by Concord, he shouldn't get a cut of the payout from the poor guy he just ganked.
Hello. A CSM member who actually thinks before he speaks? Quote:The CSM was not unanimous in that sentiment. Go figure. The CSM - mostly nullseccers with oodles of passive moon cash telling CCP that carebears should not only be ganked but they should also pay a thankyou bonus to the dude that shot him. "We represent everyone"..... Yep. Sure. It's a fine thing you did there CSM. [slow clap]
THIS POST REEKS OF OUT OF CONTEXT
Quote:.....Maybe a solution would be to allow the killer to get a cut of the insurance payout his victim gets? CSM liked this idea, perhaps a payout to 10 or 20%?
this was in a talk about in low sec and null sec, as a income for PVPs so they did not have to make a trip to high sec to farm isks to PvP
I love the the smell of victory in the morning. It smells like... Blood, vomit and burning flesh.
I Like You. I'll Kill You Last. |
P42ALPHA
DEAD-ON
35
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Posted - 2012.01.22 18:09:00 -
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Fan Shu wrote:So, what about those that cannot afford multiple accounts?
Are you offering to buy them all accounts to make sure everyone gets the same number of votes?
I dont have the greatest job in the world. But being able to afford 3 accounts has really not been a problem.
"All hail Wang ... the little fella in Command. When 'trouble' starts to spread, I'm sure he will rise to the occasion."
Azahni Vah'nos (Best reply ever) |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
1308
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:05:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Post with your main.
Post with your alt.
anyway .. being drunk as hell and be able to discuss "new" "features and ideas" is quite an good combination..
If i were there i would hardly get up from the floor and ask just fro next alcohol beverage since i am too lazy to get up and fall down again .. it is waste of time..  |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions
Reckless Ambition
159
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:29:00 -
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Weiland Taur wrote:Killstealing wrote:I mean seriously do you want the CSM to be chaired by some guy who lives in the most boring part of eve (EVEN MORE boring than all blue all the time nullsec) Seriously? Incursions ganking, non stop complaining about ganks, a highly succesful ice interdiction, ganking and more ganking, griefing, popping, flipping? Come on. It seems high sec is where it's at. Face it kiddies, null is the burbs. If the forums are to be believed.
^^This!^^
You forgot ninja-salvaging/looting, by the way--it may be nerfed to the ground (arguably), but it sure as Hell ain't dead!
NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs.
NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare
NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers."
**** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE! |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions
Reckless Ambition
159
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Posted - 2012.01.22 20:30:00 -
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A drunken faux-pas?
I certainly bloody well hope so, they can't all be THAT soul-shreddingly pants-on-head STOOOOOOOOOO-PID...
...Can they?
I know TwoStep, D3, and Trebor aren't, but the rest...Ugh. Just total, utter, ugh.
NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs.
NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare
NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers."
**** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE! |
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