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Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 07:11:00 - [1] Prayers, what are they gonna solve? Why didnt you pray that he shouldnt die instead? STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 07:35:00 - [2] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 07:35:31 Originally by: Stephen HB Originally by: Death Kill Stuff that doesn't bear repeating Show some bloody respect Why because you say so? Quote: or at least post with your main so we can mercilessly mock you. Will this involve prayers? STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 07:56:00 - [3] Originally by: Atama Cardel Seriously though, Death, you seem to have some, well a lot, of hostility towards religion (from several posts you've made in the past and the link in your sig) and you kinda need to realize this forum isn't exactly the place for it. If all you're going to do is flame someone for mentioning prayer in their post then you need to get some help. If someone encourages prayers, then I have the right to express my thoughts about it. As far as my question goes, I still would like to hear him answer. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 08:04:00 - [4] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 08:04:55 Originally by: Stephen HB I offer prayers for the family and friends of the deceased in the hope and faith that the Lord will support them in their grief Why would a megalomanian madman that kills humans by the millions want to support a single human being? Seams a bit of a contradiction to first flood the world killing 99% of all humans and then thousands of years later give confort to a person here and a person there. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 08:11:00 - [5] Originally by: Atama Cardel I'll answer the questions then, you don't have to show respect but you could at least refrain from making inflammatory remarks and your second question is obviously just trying to provoke him into making some angry post for your amusement With all due respect you got it wrong. I'm genually interested in how anyone can belive in a set of rules dating back to the bronze age. And I have yet to hear a logical argument to why one should turn to prayers. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 08:14:00 - [6] Originally by: Krulla Edited by: Krulla on 17/09/2007 08:10:49 Show some ***** respect you little . Because you use foul language? Quote: Jesus *** christ some ***** people. People like you the reason Atheists have a bad reputation. No. The reason atheists have a bad reputation is because people of faith call them evil and what not. the other reason why atheists have bad rep is because of people like you who for some reason thinks religion is off limits for critisism. As I already mentioned, if a person starts talking about prayers then I have the right to question it. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 08:22:00 - [7] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 08:22:53 Originally by: Krulla And you're doing it because someone asked people to keep his family in they're prayers. Yes. The same group of people that mutilates baby boys when they are born. The same someone that says AIDS in Africa is bad but condoms are worse, the same people that until recently said that babies that died before being baptized would end up in limbo. The list goes on and on and if you truly were a atheist you would pick up the gauntlet against the dangers and hypocrisy of religion wherever you found it. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 08:27:00 - [8] Originally by: Krulla ** off. Well and truly off. This has nothing to do with this thread. sure you are an atheist? Sound more like a pius beliver to me. Quote: You're just as brainwashed as the most brainwashed catholic. "True atheist" "pick up the gauntlet". Lol. Whatever. Do you walk into funerals and yell "LOL UR STUPID"? No. Internet anonymity = *****s. No. But as I have stated 3 times now, when a person brings GOD into these forums I reserve the right to express my conviction. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 09:02:00 - [9] Originally by: Krulla Edited by: Krulla on 17/09/2007 09:00:53 Oh damn. Another one. You two clearly support the Greater Internet ******* theory. Can you point to a post in this thread where you havent been foul mouthed and abusive? STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 09:03:00 - [10] Originally by: DirtyHarry Originally by: Death Kill Prayers, what are they gonna solve? Why didnt you pray that he shouldnt die instead? WOAH WAY TO SUCK*****S BUDDY Not only religious but also using homophobic slur. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 09:13:00 - [11] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 09:16:15 Originally by: Weirda would like to see you point to one where you not sound like 13 year old begging to look intelligent and wise... your kind are obvious... Weirda used to have "EMO" notebook full of pseudo-intellectual thoughts in highschool too... err sad thing to see a thread where people trying to reach out to those with common interest (OWG - the point of a forum), and all they get is a bunch of people who wish that they could get the attention instead. 'your kind'? Well your kind clings to strawman arguments and ad hominems. Originally by: Weirda this is the 'non-spaceship' forum on the site god is right up there in science fiction. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 09:25:00 - [12] Originally by: Harm Gently Flaming "memorial" threads like these, for whatever reason just shows you lack tact and empathy. Empathy? Did you know him, if not why be sad? Thousands of people die each day due to hunger or war, I guess it must he hard to be such as empathic person as yourself considering how much the death of one person pains you. Or do you only care when its a celeb that die? STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 09:33:00 - [13] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 09:34:24 Originally by: Weirda it would only be strawman or ad hominem if Weirda was attempting to discredit you argument by pointing out the fact that you are pathetic. Weirda is merely pointing out the fact that you are pathetic though... so it stands... go back to you freshman level logic and critical thinking tomes and dig some more What part of ad hominem is it you dont understand? STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 09:37:00 - [14] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 09:37:19 Originally by: Weirda Weirda understand the part that you clearly don't. What exactly is it? so far you have brought very little to the table. The only thing you have come up with are personal insults and poor atempt at ridicule. You base your arguments on poorly executed flaming and youtube and the only troll here is you. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 09:40:00 - [15] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 09:41:29 Originally by: Sir Scorpion There are no true Atheists sooner or latter thy all scream oh my god, atm thy are people who just want to act special, and yes they do have a bad rep b/c they really insult every one, which looking at religious zealots around the world who are willing to put their life for their religion, lets just say I donÆt want to be in your shoos, show some respect and I think its about time eve-o starts banning people on the forums. 1. Fullstop 2. There are true atheists, in fact most people are atheist towards one good or another. 3. Insults are irrelevant as long as its reasonable. If a person are insulted because I call his god a heavenly dictator that demands that people sacrefice their children, mutilate their children or just submit to a whole set of idiotic laws then tough luck, thats their problem. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 09:58:00 - [16] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 09:59:07 Originally by: ry ry the reason atheists have a bad reputation is because they insist on screaming "THERE IS NO GOD!" at the top of their lungs whenever anybody mentions religion. If we had a bit more of that and less god is great then perhaps we would see more peace on this planet Originally by: Ray McCormack There is a time and a place to argue, Death Kill. And this is neither. I won't resort to further personal attacks, but instead request you take your opinions to a different thread out of respect to the OP, fellow mourners and RJ himself. Ok. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 10:07:00 - [17] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 10:09:23 Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 10:08:45 Originally by: Weirda Congratulations! you have just created both ad hominem and strawman vs Weirda. I reject your gratulations. Quote: Weirda did not bring youtube to the table, our resident OMGHI2U genius did. And weird quoted and wrote Death Kills name. Quote: admittedly that was stupid Yes it was. Quote: but anyone trying to prove how athiest, or how religious, or how ANYTHING they are does in fact remind Weirda of that guy. No one has been trying to proove anything here. I have had a calm and rational debate over OP calling for prayers, while you and the rest of the PC squad has done nothing but troll. Quote: the fact that you come here to troll people mourning the passing of a writer they liked and then call Weirda (who was only pointing out that you painful desire for negative attention as reinforcement for your 'omglookatmeimspecial' beliefs are in-fact quite immature and obvious as such due to their selfish vanity if nothing else) the troll must indeed be some form of 'erotic irony'... Is this a funeral? What person gave OP the right to create his own little service here at these forums? Mourning? are you serious, are you mourning a person you didnt knew? If it was a close friend I would have been more carefull, but to expect everyone to 'respect' and whine over some guy that died just because he was a celeb is absurd. Quote: once again, hopefully this thread will finally bring you the forum ban you have clearly been begging for... Weirda have strong reasons to believe that it finally may... Congratulations again! Keep repeating it and it may happen, god works in mysterious ways. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 10:08:00 - [18] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 10:08:23 edit : DP STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 10:30:00 - [19] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 10:30:36 Originally by: ry ry probably. but that's not really the point, is it? Robert Jordan was a christian. the op and probably a great deal more people on here are christians. whilst paying tribute to an author who'd clearly had an affect on his life, he briefly mentioned praying for Jordan, which was clearly intended simply as a gesture of respect for the deceased. So you had a rant about religion being **. It is of no importance of what religion he belonged to, when the OP called people together for prayers I had to react. I simply asked a few questions and the soldiers of god came running. Quote:** Apart from not believing in god, and preferring to do it anonymously over the internet, what makes you so different from these morons picketing the funerals of soldiers killed in iraq? In what way? First of all I dont judge people on who they are. I have no isses with geys as I dont belive that its morally wrong to be gey. Second I dont judge anyone based on a set of rules invented by someone living in the bronzeage. I do however judge people on their words and convictions. Most of the historical figures of the Bible, torah or Koran would be sent to the Hague for war crimes and crimes angainst humanity had they been alive today. And I have issues with people holding these people in high regards. So you see I'm really just being fair. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 10:42:00 - [20] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 10:42:54 Originally by: ry ry i disagree. death is a fundemental part of their religious beliefs. Yes it is isnt it? Thats when the REAL fun begins, when you die and are either sendt to heaven for being a narrow minded sheep or to hell for not subgmitting to the heavenly dictator. Quote: don't mistake your religious intolerance for any kind of 'peer review' I dont tolerate intolerance. Monoistic religions is just that..intolerant. the true bigots are the ones defending this absurdity by refering to people having their feelings hurt. Quote: bigot boy. Oh dear, and you were so civil up to this point. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 10:54:00 - [21] Originally by: Sir Scorpion Who made the rules of humanity? Who is to say shooting a 10 year old in the head is ok? I mean the likes of you sure didnÆt, so please explain to me who did? Are thy not humans who enforce such rules? Why cant humans break them ? What you make no sense what so ever? Are you seriously implying that before Jews got the ten commandments everyone on earth were running around killing, stealing and craving his neighbours wife? Quote: This whole war crimes is one of the largest pieces of bullcrap in recent human history, and donÆt hide behind the whole ôwhat about the people who die starving ?öargument either it dose not fit you at all you dumb twit, it only shows that you have no idea what those religions your talking about stand for. So you read a book that says God is dead.. and its all an illusionàand now you come over her spreading your insecurities all over the place. Eh? Quote: Tell me, Jews, Muslims, and Christians all benefited the world in all fields of since, what did you atheists bring? And even if you did so, its only proven throw what the last 20-30 years?! ThatÆs nothing in the span of humanity and if you take your school of thought seriously I would discuss in the right place and in the right time. At the moment to all religions your just a fad, and your doing nothing but proveing it. first of all in the past you had to be a priest or a munk in order to learn how to read and write unless you were born rich. even even then the church had a monopoly on education. Second of all scientist are atheist. Leonardo did things he had to hide from the Church because it would be considered herecy. Third god doesnt invent stuff, humans do. Religion frowns opun free thinking. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 10:55:00 - [22] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 10:56:36 Originally by: ry ry What?! i can't kill people or cheat on my wife? damn you god, you dictator bastard! i'm an enlightened free spirit, and i'll steal whatever the hell i want mother****! you are an idiot to think all humans would do that if it hadnt been for the ten commandments. Besides, Christians justefied slavery for centuries, colaborated with ** war criminals and what not. Keep digging. edit : you should really educate yourself on the moral Zeitgeist STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:08:00 - [23] nice! Could mention that the reason atheists didnt speak up in the past was because people like Ry Ry and Scorpion had them burned alive. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:12:00 - [24] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 11:13:26 Originally by: Sir Scorpion Ok you just proved to me that you are on the most ignorant people on eve-o, stop spreading your BS propaganda, àyou had to be a monk to read!!! WTFà. Yes. Ever read a history book? Quote: All scientists are Atheists ?! How can you claim such a thingàis their no limit to your ignorance?! Simply for the fact that science and religion is not compatible. Regardless of what any creationist may say, science is highly corosive to religion. Quote: Sheesh you claim and say that ALL SCIENTISTS are atheists in one go ?! you have NO experience what so ever in any religion so far. You really lack any. Granted, there may be a scientist or two living in denial somewhere. Quote: And stop referencing us to the same ****** book over and over a gain wtf you have stocks in it or something?! It's called research. You know, figuring out what other people are saying then forming an opinion based on it. Instead of typing furiously like you do. Quote:** And yes people used to act like Animals before the holy profits. And you really cant prove it in any other way. You dont have to belive in god to know that murder is wrong. you dont have to belive in god to know that your feelings will get hurt if you discover your wife in bed with another man. And the Vikings actually had more fair trials that anything the Church came up with. the church decided on who could offer the vatican most bribes. Until the 70's the Mormons in the US belived that black people had no soul and could not enter heaven. You fail. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:16:00 - [25] Originally by: ry ry what does stop them from doing that? laws? if so, who's laws? Common sense? Quote: what, all christians? i'm pretty sure atheists did all those things too. sure, but atheists didnt do it because they were atheists. While the Chruch had official statments saying black people had no soul etc etc. Quote: i'm not a christian. why would i care? I think you are. Quote: care to elaborate? I live in a 'christian' country. I was taught religion in school. I was religious until the age of 25. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:17:00 - [26] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 11:17:01 Originally by: Sir Scorpion Originally by: Death Kill nice! Could mention that the reason atheists didnt speak up in the past was because people like Ry Ry and Scorpion had them burned alive. lol i was waiting for this one loooool....same tactics You asked and you were told. Atheists were killed, its a historical fact STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:21:00 - [27] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 11:22:19 Originally by: ry ry my objection isn't to atheism, but the way you (you personally, not you the atheists) go about discussing your beliefs. you know, it's entirely possible to not believe in god and not go around screaming at christians. Now now, I dont scream. I simply refuse to hold my tounge when faced with people who in 2007 belives in magic, walking on water and holy ghosts. Quote: if you really want to know, i'd consider myself agnostic. Ok. Personally I cant belive how anyone can be agnostic. You probably just think you are agnostic. Am I correct if I assume you dont belive in god but are open for there being more between heaven and earth? That you would belive in god etc if you had credible evidence? sounds like atheism to me. I would very much like for there to be a kind and loving god. sadly there is no evidence what so ever to support such an absurd claim. The very little we know about him/it though the 'holy' books is that hes a very jealous, vengefull, sexist, genocidal madman. Witch really makes me glad thereis no god. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:30:00 - [28] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 11:31:40 Originally by: Mary Makepeace I work at university in chemistry and probably half the scientists, if not more have faith in one region or another. there is probably a larger proportion of atheists than you will find in most professional communities though. I cant recall where I heard it (will dig it up) but surveys show that over 98% of ALL scientists are atheists. Quote: Science and religion is not actually incompatible, all of the faith based articles in religion, even miracles are individual events that are unreproducible, so they are outside of scientific investigation. Yes it is. Science begins where alchemy ends just like religion ends where philosophy begins. You cannot solve an equation with 'miracle'. Any scientist claiming otherwise is a liar and a disgrace. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:36:00 - [29] Originally by: ry ry no. you don't steal things because something bad will happen if you're caught. Speak for yourself. Quote: the only difference is religions believe an omnipotent god knows what you've done without the police having to catch you. Yes the heavenly dictator. If you dont follow his wishes you will spend an eternity in pain and suffering. Quote: which religions still state that black people have no soul? i understand there are lots of black christians. Thats because of the moral zeitgest. (look it up) In ww2 it was perfectly accepted to carpet bomb civillians...today it is not. are you honestly suggesting that religion had anything to do with this change? Quote: why on earth would i pretend not to believe in god if i did? The way you defend it. It's not rational. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:37:00 - [30] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 11:38:01 Originally by: ry ry no. you don't steal things because something bad will happen if you're caught. Speak for yourself. Quote: the only difference is religions believe an omnipotent god knows what you've done without the police having to catch you. Yes the heavenly dictator. If you dont follow his wishes you will spend an eternity in pain and suffering. Quote: which religions still state that black people have no soul? i understand there are lots of black christians. Thats because of the moral zeitgest. (look it up) In ww2 it was perfectly acceptable to carpet bomb civillians...today it is not. Are you honestly suggesting that religion had anything to do with this change? Quote: why on earth would i pretend not to believe in god if i did? The way you defend it. It's not rational. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:40:00 - [31] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 11:41:29 Originally by: Mary Makepeace i would like to see that, it is absolutely in contrast with everything i have observed. Edward J. Larson, professor of law and the history of science at the University of Georgia, and science journalist Larry Witham, both theists, polled National Academy of Sciences members in 1998 and provided further confirmation of Leuba's conjecture. Using Leuba's definitions of God and immortality for direct comparison, they found lower percentages of believers. Only 10 percent of NAS scientists believed in God or immortality, with those figures dropping to 5 percent among biologists. I wasnt entirely accurate as you can tell, as it shows that biologists are more likaly to be atheist than scientists. Still, its 90%. I will try to find a pdf. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:45:00 - [32] Originally by: Sir Scorpion No sir you not only fail in arguments you fail life àgo die. How very Christian of you. Your pastor must be proud. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:49:00 - [33] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 11:52:34 Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower On a personal note, I'm a little irked by your dismissal of agnosticism; if anything it's an even more open-minded stance than atheism. Atheists vehemently deny the existence of god while agnostics neither believe in or deny anything. Atheist doesnt really deny the existance of god, we simply say that there is no evidence what so ever to think he exists. You cant prove that Jahve/god/allah exists anymore than you can prove that Thor, Zeus or apollo exists. Quote: At one point I considered myself to be an atheist, but really it's just another form of religion in that you're cementing your beliefs based on limited or no evidence. Completely false. Religion is faith based on miracles, eye witnesses in other words no evidence what so ever...while atheism is lack of faith based on lack of evidence. atheism isnt a system of belief. Quote: Rather than being open to any idea, you actively deny the possible existence of an omnipotent force in the universe and use that as a basis for your beliefs, isn't this just another mental cage? I'm wide open, its just that I have yet to see any reasonable evidence that supports the claim of a higher being. Quote: I'd recommend that you try to tone down your assaults on the religious views of others. Everyone likes to get attention, but it's important that you recognize that some methods of gaining attention are better than others. Noted. But the ones that ough to calm down is all the tolerant Christians here telling me to die and what not. Funny how you can get away with almost anything as long as you say you are a man of faith. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 11:58:00 - [34] Originally by: Caid Lemant Moronic because he can't separate the wrong places from the correct places to bring up this discussion No. This is a fight that should be fought everywhere. I'd really wish you would cut back on the abuse you hurt my feelings. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:07:00 - [35] Originally by: ry ry then how does 'common sense' stop you stealing things? i'm genuinely curious. It'not mine, I didnt pay for it. Theft were a punishable offense before the Judeochristian gods poisoned the land you know. Quote: ] no. show me where i said that. I was referring to you saying that religion changed the moral compass of man. (forgive me if I got you mixed up with a different person) Quote: hardly. you're making broad statements about ALL RELIGION BEING EVIL and i'm say that religion isn't inherently evil. the basic tenants of most religions are to be nice to other people and variations on that theme. well I'm not directly saying that religion is evil. I'm simply saying that there is no evidence and no reason really to belive in god....God himself well he qualefies as evil. Quote: Taking facts out of social context it's entirely possible to make obtuse statements like 'Christianity endorsed slavery' but at the time virtually everybody endorsed slavery. christians abolished slavery too. It was the civil rights movement that ended slavery and segregation in the US not religion. And the church changed its stance according to the evolving zeitgeist. Quote: do you vote? more wars have been waged for political gain than religious and i think that's part of the problem you've got here; you object to people doing terrible things in the name of religion, but you're aiming your ire at the concept of religion. As an atheist I might become religious tomorrow if I saw any evidence for it. This is a very healthy way of thinking, keeping an open mind. A man of faith does not have this option. He follows a set of rules carved in stone. this is very dangerous thinking. As for wars, religion has always been political one way or another. Religious people cant stand the thought of others living their lives as they want. We have seen it in the past, and we saw it when the conservative christians in America voted Bush&** into power. Vote no for * rights, and vote no for abortion because we know the mind of god. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:25:00 - [36] Originally by: Caid Lemant No war should be 'fought everywhere'. war? Quote: I'd really wish you would cut back on the abuse you hurt my feelings. Quote: Are you too thick see above STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:33:00 - [37] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 12:35:27 Originally by: Turiya Flesharrower Nope, that's agnosticism. Atheism (a-theism) is an active belief that god does not exist. No any atheist would change his stance based on evidence. As of now, thereis simply nothing that dictates the existance of a god. If an angel descended on times square at the new years eve countdown then we would be willing to give this religion stuff a second chance. Quote: Technically then, you're an agnostic. No I'm atheist, or anti-theist as I much more prefer. Quote: You're using your own lack of religious belief as a shield, just as they do with their own beliefs; how are you different from them? Why do you feel the need to turn this into a fight? Not at all. If you read through this thread you will soon discover that I have debated in a rather calm manner and that the otherside has been horribly abusive. Why does it have to be a fight? A fight of minds perhaps? I see no harm in interacting with people and asking them reasonable questions about their faith. Quote: You can't force someone to believe in what you believe through the use of aggressive arguments, at least not with any degree of reliability or success, so why bother? I dont try to force anyone into anything. I do hope however, that when confronted by logical questions regarding their belief they will pause and think instead on relying on bible quotes as defence. Why cant we critisize religion? Because you cant! why not? You just cant! Quote: I don't want to sound insulting, but this whole debate just smells like an attempt to gain attention. None insult taken. Unlike others, you are not being rude and its a pleasure to argue with you. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:34:00 - [38] Originally by: Caid Lemant Originally by: Death Kill war? Are you having problems understanding what the word means? I heard dictionaries are wonderful. And I'm curious what abuse you're talking about because I'm still waiting for an answer. I understand the word perfectly. I'm just trying to figure out where the war is. Are you some type of soldier? STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:38:00 - [39] Originally by: ry ry but yeah, morals. monkeys don't have morals Monkeys are fully capable of feeling sorrow, joy , regret and pretty much any other feeling we know of. Monkeys have their morals and norms within their flock. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:39:00 - [40] Originally by: Caid Lemant Atheism is the doctrine or belief that there is no god. Based on lack of evidence. Stop talking about things you know nothing about. Youre trolling at best and not very entertaining. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:40:00 - [41] Originally by: ry ry Originally by: Death Kill Monkeys are fully capable of feeling sorrow, joy , regret and pretty much any other feeling we know of. emotions aren't morals. morals are a far more complicated concept. Morals comes from emotions. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:45:00 - [42] Originally by: Cornucopian Atheists deny any from of divine entities Because there is nothing to base the exsitance of god on...besides some poorly written 'holy' books. I'm an atheist allright, and every atheist would change their stance on religion if presented with proper evidence. When it comes to agnostics, they keep their mind open because they think there might be a god and they just dont know it yet. While as mentioned atheists dont belive due to lack of evidence, but that doesnt mean you cant change your mind if presented with said evidence. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:48:00 - [43] Originally by: ry ry this thread just keeps going downhill. monkey morals borne out of emotion? nice one Dian Fossey. Professor Westermarck's book is: "That the moral concepts are ultimately based on emotions either of indignation or approval is a fact which certain thinkers have in vain attempted to deny." This is a challenge, not merely to the philosophers and theologians, but to the Utilitarians. Morality is founded on emotions, not on a perception of utility, he says. Acts are deemed "good" or "bad" for the same reason that the sunshine is said to be hot and ice, cold. They excite certain emotions. Our moral ideas are therefore "generalizations of tendencies in certain phenomena (human acts) to call forth moral emotions." Fundamentally, it is sympathy and resentment that express themselves in these emotions. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 12:56:00 - [44] Originally by: Caid Lemant Quote: War: 4. Active hostility or contention; conflict; contest Once again are you really this thick? Even a ten year old could put it together, one with Asperger's even. Great showing as a troll though, closed minded and unable to think outside of your own posts. Please stop your kneejerk posting. Quote: Evidence has nothing to do with belief. why not, because you say so? Quote: No real Christian would believe the evidence as enough. REAL Christians also belive the earth is 6000 years old and that man lived next to dinosaurs. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 14:03:00 - [45] Originally by: Sin Tsu lol, whats there to fear? im sure internet forums are a scary place with all their anonymity and stuff. is death kill even your main brave man? Death Kill is indeed my main. Now I never considered myself that brave, I'm just human. But not not exactly a coward either by definition. And yes, whenever I meet people of faith I do speak my mind. Not long ago I was at a work conferance and met some religious leaders. A Rabbi and an Iman refused to shake the hands of one of my female co workers because she was female. I told them that I would not shake their hands either as I dont tolerate bigots. They asked me to elaborate and I did. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 14:04:00 - [46] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 14:06:18 Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 14:06:00 Originally by: Kharass Al'Quam Death Kill read the Da Vinci Code and now he is a true beliver. Actually no I despise that book. It's based on speculations and pseudo-history at best. Originally by: KingsGambit No they shouldn't. This is a games forum, not a Death Kill's opinion on life, the universe and everything web site. Yes its a games forum, but this is an off topic forum...not game related. If a person can start a 'lets mourn this guy' thread then I can post philosophical without being silenced by people of faith that have their feelings hurt. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.17 14:19:00 - [47] Edited by: Death Kill on 17/09/2007 14:21:50 Originally by: Sir Scorpion Once more Death Kill, I can challenge you in all 3 religions that you severely discredit and call their god Evil, without sufficient evidence, and some serious lack of knowledge in them, I advise you to personally look into them and not read a book from some one who understands them even less. You try to sound intelligent but so far all you proved that youÆre a truly miss lead and confused soul. Lets see. The bible and the Koran are both rip offs of the Torah. This is easy. 1. God destroyed the City of Sodom and Gomorra because the people there didnt worship him enough. (genocide/terrorism) 2. God drowned 99% of the worlds population because they didnt worship him enough. (genocide) 3. God asked Abraham to kill his own son just to have him prove that he worshiped god in a proper way. (bestiality) 4. God killed all the first born in Egypt because they had enslaved Jews. (genocide) 5. God helped king David exterminate the philistines(sp?). (again genocide) 6. God demands that man cuts off a piece of male genitalia to show their affection for god (child abuse and mutilation) 7. Not having sex before marriage (thats pure evil) 8. creating man in his image (considering how crap humans are at behaving he must be a real jerk) Quote: To be honest I donÆt like to get in such arguments, but you basically insulted a lot of people around here, and dragged Atheists name down the dirt. You had no right, and this not the place for that. and you should get band I got a band. Its a rock band. Anyhow, I have no right to do what exactly? Cant say you have been a good ambassador for religion. STAND OUT!

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