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Tepir
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:55:00 -
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In Dc Universe Online one who is afk gets {away} next to his name , and one who is afk for 2 hours get booted from Server. This way Server gets increase in perfomance... and no more sleepers in local ^^ just an idea.... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:57:00 -
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GǪwhich solves what, exactly? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Tepir
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.01.20 01:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪwhich solves what, exactly?
guy who sitts afk cloaked in some system for longer than 2 hours he gets booted by server . Server perfomance will increase and 0.0isk income will increase , with it people just might care less about thers ships and come to lowsec , on my gate everybody win its a chain reaction |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2012.01.20 01:05:00 -
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Nothing a random macro can't avoid. Everyone uses macro's , didn't you hear? Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4459
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Posted - 2012.01.20 01:06:00 -
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YesGǪ but what are you trying to solve?
I can tell you now: the guy sitting AFK in your system will not show up as AFK, and the guy showing up as AFK will most likely drop a whole heap of ships on you very very soonGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Ai Shun
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Posted - 2012.01.20 01:08:00 -
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Tepir wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪwhich solves what, exactly? guy who sitts afk cloaked in some system for longer than 2 hours he gets booted by server . Server perfomance will increase and 0.0isk income will increase , with it people just might care less about thers ships and come to lowsec , on my gate everybody win its a chain reaction
Translation: Bots can run 24/7.
Because let's face it. If he is AFK he is no risk to you. If he is not AFK, you can stay docked and be a wussy or you can take the risk, be aware and play the damn game. |
Tepir
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.01.20 01:12:00 -
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Tippia wrote:YesGǪ but what are you trying to solve?
I can tell you now: the guy sitting AFK in your system will not show up as AFK, and the guy showing up as AFK will most likely drop a whole heap of ships on you very very soonGǪ
im not the case here m8... i live in lowsec as my entire corp . All i want is more people get trough lowsec....
He doesnt need to show afk... as i know there are people who when they go to sleep leave them self cloaked in local to prevent -0.9 carebears to make isk . All though i like his tactic (which i did alot of times) its starting to ruin my gameplay =p less and less people visit lowsec... i mean i able to run lvl 5s in my dread and/or carrier with closed dscan lol.... again its not about my isk.. . im secured for long years to come . Its about people not comin to lowsec...
Give them moar isk... meybe they will come And if somebody goes to sleep with cloakie alt in local he will get dced after few hours
AND WE Alll know that one guy when he sleep can easily cover entire constelation with cloakie alts if he rly want that . |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4459
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Posted - 2012.01.20 01:23:00 -
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Tepir wrote:im not the case here m8... i live in lowsec as my entire corp . All i want is more people get trough lowsec.... Your suggestion doesn't particularly address that wish.
Quote:All though i like his tactic (which i did alot of times) its starting to ruin my gameplay =p less and less people visit lowsec. Your causal chain is lacking.
Quote:And if somebody goes to sleep with cloakie alt in local he will get dced after few hours No, they won't, because if he wants to disrupt people in space, it'll be trivial for him to not trigger the game's AFK timer. Likewise, for those who do indeed intend to attack, they can trivially activate that flag. Either way, the flagging won't make any difference. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Vigrioth Stoneclaw
Pillage and Plunder Salvage Co.
7
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Posted - 2012.01.20 01:40:00 -
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AFKing isn't what makes losec into lolsec.
Just saying, dude... |
Elessa Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.20 01:54:00 -
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If you want people in low-sec follow my simple plan for increased traffic
- pop some interbuses and then put up your own POCOs
- set tax rates to something really low like 1%
- anchor cans in nearby high-sec systems advertising low-tax rate PI
- most importantly, be selective in choosing your targets and don't wtfpwn everyone that comes through or they'll decide that the risk isn't worth taking. If you lull them into a false sense of security, they will potentially spread the word of safe, low-tax, low-sec PI thereby increasing your traffic and allowing you to have more targets.
If you're smart about it, you should be able to get at least a few "gimme" kills per week and as a side effect, passive income from the PI taxes
AFK cloaking prevents botters from botting, it doesn't prevent people from going through low-sec
/thread Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been |
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.01.20 01:56:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪwhich solves what, exactly?
Which solves the constant need to ask in corp chat "XYZ, are you here?" |
AFK Cloaker
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.20 02:20:00 -
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Tepir
BALKAN EXPRESS
28
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Posted - 2012.01.20 02:36:00 -
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i don see whats the fuss about than. IF its easy to avoid afk detection and set up scripts who will move mouse at same time every 2 hour which ccp cant detect etc... why opose this update ? AFK detection is implemented in many other games . Nothing we can lose her ein my opinion. We can only get. Is it increase in server perfomance or people get ritcher and bolder and start moving more than 10 jumps from ther base .
About this not effecting lowsec its for the lulz. because people more and more time have to spend to earn for plexes (im speaking about normal people who do anomalies and stuff) and even more time to earn for ships to defend thers space . And less and less time and money they got for luxury trips to lowsec to bash pirate camps .
I miss anti pirate camp bashing fleets.... I miss to get hot droped inlowsec by pl or w/o... Even hydra guys doesnt jump from highsec with thers 2+b tengus ....
Whats up with that? what have changed in last 4-5 months ? ISk income has decreased to 0.0 guys . Simple as that. Was it from 0.0 nerf, or new sleeper policy where would one guy from one pc put an alt in every system in constelation... and one corp can decrease income to some allinace by 50-60% directly proportional at the same Visitors to lowsec decreased! now dont say me this inst the case because it is .
IF some guy before needed to spend (example) 5 hours to make plex, and additional 1 hour to make him self a bc fully fitted . He had couple of hours for pvp , which if he didnt get near to home he didnt care about that easy to make bc and tryed his luck in lowsec!
The case as it is now... due the sleepers in his home system he needs 2 days to make isk for plex and additional 5 hours to earn for that bc . Now he will not be so careless about his hard to earn isk and he will not try his luck in lowsec. He will use his assets to defend his systems only . ITs that simple.
In my opinion one of many ways to re populate lowsec is to decrease number of sleepers . In my opinion to return people from high sec incursion to 0.0 and make 0.0 more appealing to them is to decrease number of sleepers . Why would anybody return to 0.0 from very profitable high sec and quite safe isk farming to 0.0 where every system have sleepers in it ? Simple as that.... Decrease number of sleepers in 0.0 and you will get population back .
AFK detection is one goo way of getting this . IF anything afking will get harder . |
Xuai
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.20 02:44:00 -
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This will never happen... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.01.20 02:49:00 -
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Tepir wrote:i don see whats the fuss about than. IF its easy to avoid afk detection and set up scripts who will move mouse at same time every 2 hour which ccp cant detect etc... why opose this update ? Because it serves no purpose. It doesn't solve anything. It most definitely does not address the issue you're having.
Quote:AFK detection is one good way of getting this . IF anything afking will get harder . Why does being AFK need to be GÇ£hardGÇ¥? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Tepir
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.01.20 02:59:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Tepir wrote:i don see whats the fuss about than. IF its easy to avoid afk detection and set up scripts who will move mouse at same time every 2 hour which ccp cant detect etc... why opose this update ? Because it serves no purpose. It doesn't solve anything. It most definitely does not address the issue you're having. Quote:AFK detection is one good way of getting this . IF anything afking will get harder . Why does being AFK need to be GÇ£hardGÇ¥?
you didnt read, it will serve a purpose
You are not just afking.. you are disabling Aliiance income... that needs to be hard . You make more damage in isk than if you killed a POS . That has to be harder to do than just leavin your alt afk. |
Probebly Afk Cloaking
No Self Esteem Blue Moon Alliance
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Posted - 2012.01.20 05:27:00 -
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brb, don't boot me if it takes to long |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
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Posted - 2012.01.20 06:47:00 -
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Tepir wrote:i don see whats the fuss about than. IF its easy to avoid afk detection and set up scripts who will move mouse at same time every 2 hour which ccp cant detect etc... why opose this update ? You know, currently everybody does not run bots (true story) but with your suggestion everyone will have to do it to play the game. And soon everybody will have bots for everything. AFK-cloak bots will be the first step to bots on-line. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4462
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Posted - 2012.01.20 07:39:00 -
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Tepir wrote:You are not just afking.. you are disabling Aliiance income... that needs to be hard . It is hard. You have to make the entire alliance agree to have their income disabled by a single person. If they choose not to, you're stuck.
If the alliance chooses to go along with your scheme, then that's their choice and their problem GÇö it's not something you can burden the AFK player for.
Oh, and as mentioned, your idea won't actually solve this (non-)issue. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Tepir
BALKAN EXPRESS
31
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Posted - 2012.01.20 07:56:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Tepir wrote:You are not just afking.. you are disabling Aliiance income... that needs to be hard . It is hard. You have to make the entire alliance agree to have their income disabled by a single person. If they choose not to, you're stuck. If the alliance chooses to go along with your scheme, then that's their choice and their problem GÇö it's not something you can burden the AFK player for. Oh, and as mentioned, your idea won't actually solve this (non-)issue.
why there are players all around important 0.0 systems than for ? than to decrease the income to players and with it the corporation players belong to, and with it the alliance corporation belong to ? what you say have no logic, you want it to have logic but it doesnt . Having afk player in every system where ratting is worth doin is way to decrease certain alliance and/or corporation power. Same as killing POS . This as it is now is way to easy . And please dont tell me i am wrong because i am not. If not disable it atleast make it harder .
And this would make sleeping in enemy's important systems harder .
Alliance whos members cant afford plexes and ships to defend ther own space, whos players cant mine for next capital ship build by sleeping alts in local are damaged.
And i know its part of the game and i must agree. All i am sayin its way to easy to decrease Big alliance power . Make it harder... |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.01.20 08:05:00 -
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Tepir wrote:what you say have no logic, you want it to have logic but it doesnt . Which part? The part where the guy going AFK has no control over how people respond? The part where it's the alliance that choses to decrease their power, not the AFK:er?
Or the part where, due to how having an GÇ£AFKGÇ¥ flag beside your name won't convey any kind of useful information?
Quote:Having afk player in every system where ratting is worth doin is way to decrease certain alliance and/or corporation power. Same as killing POS. GǪexcept that losing a POS isn't something the alliance chooses to do, whereas flipping out over a single AFK player is.
Quote:If not disable it atleast make it harder . The question remains: why? The problem lies with the alliance that chooses to fold up and cower in fear, not with the guy going AFK. That's what needs to be fixed, if anything.
Quote:And this would make sleeping in enemy's important systems harder . No, it wouldn't. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Tepir
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.01.20 08:32:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Tepir wrote:what you say have no logic, you want it to have logic but it doesnt . Which part? The part where the guy going AFK has no control over how people respond? The part where it's the alliance that choses to decrease their power, not the AFK:er? Or the part where, due to how having an GǣAFKGǥ flag beside your name won't convey any kind of useful information? Quote:Having afk player in every system where ratting is worth doin is way to decrease certain alliance and/or corporation power. Same as killing POS. GǪexcept that losing a POS isn't something the alliance chooses to do, whereas flipping out over a single AFK player is. Quote:If not disable it atleast make it harder . The question remains: why? The problem lies with the alliance that chooses to fold up and cower in fear, not with the guy going AFK. That's what needs to be fixed, if anything. Quote:And this would make sleeping in enemy's important systems harder . No, it wouldn't.
wasnt speaking about Flag anywhere.... was speaking about being booted from server if you are afk for longer than(now example) 2 hours.
Was saying that your denial that when couple of guys leave trough out entire constelation alts afk when they sleep that they dont hurt players/corporations/alliances wallets .
Alliance on its own cant do anything about it.Alliance suffers from its smallest links (players) . Alliance cant have 23/7 fleet guardian carebears . So they are helpless as we are everybody against cloaked people . When you are cloaked in space you are invulnerable .
Even you would fold up in fear because you never know whats gonna pop on your head or when . As i say atm there is no counter to these lets be honest war tactic . And that is disable enemy income to weaken them .
Stop trying to troll me out and try to find flaws in my point. because there is none... you are just a troll . No matter what i will say you will opose me... its what forum trolls do . Il will not answer to your posts anymore because they are not constructive at this point . |
Elistea
G U N G N I R Y G G D R A S I L
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Posted - 2012.01.20 08:59:00 -
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Entertaining. Pls carry on. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2012.01.20 10:54:00 -
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Tepir wrote:Alliance on its own cant do anything about it.Alliance suffers from its smallest links (players) . Alliance cant have 23/7 fleet guardian carebears . So they are helpless as we are everybody against cloaked people . When you are cloaked in space you are invulnerable .
This says it all.... his problem is 'cloaked people'.
Thats what the AFK cloaking whines always come down too.... we are too lazy to protect our space, trap a cloakie, rat/mine in groups with guards or bother with D-Scan.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Herold Oldtimer
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.20 12:39:00 -
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I doubt a guy that is afk would mind if an {away} is displayed next to his name. It will also save me some time to know if a recruiter or some other player I want to get in contact with is away or not |
Tepir
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2012.01.20 12:47:00 -
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Jint Hikaru wrote:Tepir wrote:Alliance on its own cant do anything about it.Alliance suffers from its smallest links (players) . Alliance cant have 23/7 fleet guardian carebears . So they are helpless as we are everybody against cloaked people . When you are cloaked in space you are invulnerable . This says it all.... his problem is 'cloaked people'. Thats what the AFK cloaking whines always come down too.... we are too lazy to protect our space, trap a cloakie, rat/mine in groups with guards or bother with D-Scan.
lmao... if you read any of my post in this thread you would figure out that pointin that out is useless because everybody know that... and there is a reason why... i named it older posts
but il repeat it for lesy people such is you.... I probably got more isk than you can imagine . All my accounts are subrscribed i think till 2013 something . I got so much ships i can lead my own campaign. All that i achieved in non sov space mostly as member of pirate corporations or my own alt corp . Cloakie sleeper doesnt effect my income in anyway .
Still my problem is cloakie sleepers that ruin my game experience... eventually... |
Elessa Enaka
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.20 13:19:00 -
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I can't believe that you're still in here trying to convince all of the other "lesy" people that you're not a botter, if you're really just worried about low-sec traffic, take my advice and let the thread die, it will help.
Otherwise you really just come across as a Red pet and botter. If AFK cloaking gets your panties in such a twist cause "it's way too easy to kill an alliances income", then take an alt and go AFK cloak in an enemy system. Go stop their bots from botting (cause really, as far as I am concerned, anyone who is against AFK cloaking is a botter), killing their income and then let them come to the forums and add to your river of tears over AFK cloakers. Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been |
Crom Mitra
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.20 14:28:00 -
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Forget all those reasons above. Need an AFK button to hide from mates constantly chatting in corp chat channel. "I'm not unsociable or ignoring you-- I'm just AFK!" |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2012.01.20 14:35:00 -
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Tepir wrote:Stop trying to troll me out and try to find flaws in my point. because there is none... you are just a troll . No matter what i will say you will opose me... its what forum trolls do . Il will not answer to your posts anymore because they are not constructive at this point . Ahh, the 'I can't argue my point, so therefore you are a troll' stance. Nicely played sir, nicely played.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Van Upier
Revenant Skies The Welfare State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.20 14:51:00 -
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Tippia wrote: The part where the guy going AFK has no control over how people respond? The part where it's the alliance that choses to decrease their power, not the AFK:er?
I'm a nooblet,and TBH I'm baffled by this AFK cloaking QQ. How exactly is one person cloaking afk in a 0.0 system preventing all ISK generation in that system? Are nullsec alliance players so low in balls-mass that they voluntarily stop everything ? Or is it bots that automatically dock up?
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