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Zyress
Deaths Head Brigade
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Posted - 2012.01.24 22:24:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Michael Harari wrote:The CSM said they want the drake to be more like the caracal and raven. The caracal and raven are terrible. ...for a few reasons that don't apply to the Drake, especially not in its new buffed state (should the buff actually go through). What they mean is that they want the Drake to be focused rather than a jack-of-all-trades. As it happens, focusing it will give a very nice buff and will very specifically make it not suck in the ways the Caracal and Raven suck.
When a Race only has one good T1 ship it needs to be a jack of all trades |
Zyress
Deaths Head Brigade
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Posted - 2012.01.24 22:26:00 -
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XXSketchxx wrote:Michael Harari wrote:
The reason people fly drakes is that people skill for caldari for pve (despite the maelstrom being loads better than the raven for level 4s) and the drake, tengu and (ugh) falcon are pretty much the only caldari ships worth flying. (Nighthawk too, but its pretty much just an expensive drake).
Bit close minded aren't you? AML caracal is a fun and effective boat. The cerberus isn't the best for sniping but its definitely an option for missile users in a shield hac gang. Vulture is a fantastic fleet ship (shield boosts are good mmkay?). Rook and scorp are great ewar options with the blackbird being a nice beginner/throwaway. Oh and have you met my friend the Rokh? Hes pretty cool now too. Hawk and hookbill are fun as hell in small gangs. Basilisk is amazing for RR with cap buddies and of course the Posprey serves its role nicely. Yeah, drake, tengu and falcon are the only ones worth flying  With the proposed changes the Nighthawk would actually have a different role than the drake, albeit niche but thats okay, it is T2 after all.
Guess you missed the part where they are nerfing ecm also. AML Caracal is a one trick pony, cerberus has no useful purpose, the Rokh is severely outclassed by either Amarr or Minmatar snipers and the Hawk is a so so assault frigate. The Hookbill is a very good Faction Frigate thats my one concession but I stand by what I said, the Drake is the only descent T1 ship in the line up. |
Zyress
Deaths Head Brigade
Gryphon League
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Posted - 2012.01.25 22:16:00 -
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Duchess Starbuckington wrote:Quote:Do you know the purpose of a blob??
TO OUT NUMBER YOUR OPPONENT!!!! A fair argument - or it would be if not for the fact that Drakes can and do face off against equal numbers of heavier ships and win. They're just that good with logistics.Regarding the video: yes, any ship can kill someone 50v1 - but Drakes can be 50 on 50 and still quite easily win. An interesting note: I've yet to see anyone in this thread (or the others, for that matter) make a remotely convincing case for this change breaking the Drake. It still maintains EHP on par with the other BCs, and is better offensively.
Says you, I've not seen any concrete numbers to prove how much better it may be offensively, and you only get a large dps gain by switching to HAMs which have some well known issues of their own, not only would their Tank be suffering from 25% less resistances of every type, but you would need to have at least one Target Painter to have any hope of realizing a true DPS gain further gimping the Tank |
Zyress
Deaths Head Brigade
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2012.02.17 21:07:00 -
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Spugg Galdon wrote:On many occasions Duchess Starbuckington and I have been in disagreement over certain topics.
However, we seem to be of the same opinion that this is (more of) a BUFF for the Drake and not (that bad) a nerf.
See? another reason why you should rethink your position. |
Zyress
Deaths Head Brigade
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Posted - 2012.02.17 21:18:00 -
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Kyrplexa Insanitus wrote:I have to say... raw numbers never give the truth in-depth.
The drake is a strong candidate for pvp because it has a great slot layout, great bonuses for a tier 2 BC, and is easy for PvE players to switch into.
Ask yourselves this:
What do all of the other Tier 2 BC's have for bonuses? exactly.
When was the last time this ship was nerfed? k.
I mean, if you're going to argue that the ship shouldn't be nerfed, bring more to the table than a single list of kills. There is more at work in each kill involved than is stated, which can give people a biased decision.
CCP also nerfs ships on occasion and buffs them. Deal with it like everyone else. One niche ship should not stay niche forever. the minmatar ships work well in pvp because people simply don't have the patience to combat fast ships correctly (at least in my experience with fleet warfare).
All CCP really has to say is "The Drake does not follow the standards of Tier 2 Battlecruisers." and the nerf ensues.
-Personally, I don't want the Drake to be 'nerfed,' but realistically.... you have to have seen it coming eventually... people have been complaining about its capabilities for ages.
Actually for years they laughed at it and said it was good for nothing but bait |
Zyress
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Posted - 2012.02.17 21:20:00 -
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Duchess Starbuckington wrote:Quote:At the very least they should have said that a LARGE portion of the player base will dislike this change. Only the ones who suck at flying them. For the rest of us, this change is actually a huge buff. (Oh and the carebears flying them in level 4s I guess, but the Drake sucks at that anyway so this'll be doing them a favour.)
Don't do me any favors |
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