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Jul Nantu
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Posted - 2004.02.14 23:13:00 -
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I recently encountered a small group of pirates using an interesting tactic to kill industrial ships in 1.0 secure space. I'm not going to go into details about how the tactic works to keep this thread from being locked, but I'm curious to know how many others have seen this happen or experienced the attack first hand.
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Gyrn Fzirth
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Posted - 2004.02.14 23:50:00 -
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were the two corporations at war? If so, they can attack regardless of the security status of the system. Neither Concord nor the sentry guns should interfere.
If it's something else, then it's an exploit and you should report it to the devs.
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Jul Nantu
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Posted - 2004.02.14 23:56:00 -
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The two corps were definitely not at war with each other. The event was reported and it was categorized as "Not An Exploit". It's apparently considered a valid tactic by the GMs.
What I'm trying to figure out is if this is a new tactic and if it's affected more people than just me.
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Eversucks
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Posted - 2004.02.14 23:58:00 -
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Edited by: Eversucks on 14/02/2004 23:59:49
If you lock people in 1.0 and they shoot at you, they are criminals and gets destroyed.
However, if they sit outside in a black hole grid and shoot and CONCORD does not respond to a illegal attack, it's an exploit and you file an cheat petition.
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2004.02.15 00:08:00 -
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What Skillz said.
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Bentaro
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Posted - 2004.02.15 01:15:00 -
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Yeah, seen this happen. Not sure if it's the same tho as i understood destroying ships in 1.0 to be an exploit. But what i saw was a certain frigate with a certain number of cruising weapons being deployed, b4 running away. Was a while ago tho.
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Karol Kei
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Posted - 2004.02.15 01:24:00 -
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Edited by: Karol Kei on 15/02/2004 01:30:12
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What Skillz said.
And what exactly did Skillz say?
My own view is that you need to declare war to the indy, or you have to loose the attacking ship in 1.0. Otherwise it is an exploit and as such people using the tactic are losers by definition. But of course they already know that in their heart, despite trying to deny it.
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Enraku Reynolt
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Posted - 2004.02.15 01:26:00 -
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most likly some kesterals firing cruise misslels and a indy to grab the stuff from the victom and the dead kesterals
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Robotek Hybrid
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Posted - 2004.02.15 02:20:00 -
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just b/c u can kill a ship in 1.0 dont mean its an exploit. its entirely possible for some1 to get in a kestrel with a few buddies and kill an indy before the concord comes and gankes u or the sentry guns gank u. and if they are pirate that know it has good loot then it wouldnt be unreasonable if the payout value was more than the kestrels and cruise missiles.
If you hada brain ud take it out and play with it.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.02.15 02:24:00 -
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Edited by: Skillz on 15/02/2004 02:25:23
If you illegally attack people in 1.0 and get away with your ship, you're exploiting faulty game mechanics and CCP will have your butt for it.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Spanker
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Posted - 2004.02.15 02:49:00 -
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Edited by: Skillz on 15/02/2004 02:25:23
If you illegally attack people in 1.0 and get away with your ship, you're exploiting faulty game mechanics and CCP will have your butt for it.
*******s. I'm no pirate, but if someone shows such initiative as to kill my indy with a worthless ship (eg kestrel) and has a friend/alt pick up the loot, well then I just congratulate them. It's soooooo easy and far to few people do it. It's making secure space boring. Yawn.
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Power
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Posted - 2004.02.15 03:02:00 -
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*******s. I'm no pirate, but if someone shows such initiative as to kill my indy with a worthless ship (eg kestrel) and has a friend/alt pick up the loot, well then I just congratulate them. It's soooooo easy and far to few people do it. It's making secure space boring. Yawn.
Its not very initative coz its rather easy to do. Secondly,the reason you dont see many ppl do it is because its an exploit.
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Spanker
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Posted - 2004.02.15 03:10:00 -
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Edited by: Spanker on 15/02/2004 03:12:49
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the reason you dont see many ppl do it is because its an exploit.
How is it an exploit? The agressor gets blown up by concord, and what other people do is completely out of their hands - if someone comes across a 'tainer floating in space, can they not scoop it up without being stamped as a criminal? No my friend, 'secure' space is where you are the least secure.
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Vargrh
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Posted - 2004.02.15 04:42:00 -
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If you are in 1.0 and attack NPC indy's and are more then 65km from guns etc... do concord jump in and attack you?!!!
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SawedOffShot
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Posted - 2004.02.15 05:08:00 -
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How is it an exploit like in RL some murders get away and some get caught facts of life. And if the GM says its not an exploit it isn't |
Skillz
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Posted - 2004.02.15 05:18:00 -
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Vargrh, we're talking about attacking players. Not NPC corporation industrials. The latter is more than ok and you don't get jumped by concord. Just stay away from the sentries.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Skillz
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Posted - 2004.02.15 05:19:00 -
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SawedOffShot, go to some gate in high security space and grid people and concord. Then we can see if you get perm banned or not.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Jul Nantu
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Posted - 2004.02.16 06:14:00 -
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Edited by: Jul Nantu on 16/02/2004 06:16:24
Since someone already mentioned the tactic... it WAS a group of pirates that were willing to risk two Kestrels to blow up Indys travelling at the gate from Amarr to Yulai. Both their ships blew up and they got my cargo in return. They had at least one friend in a large Indy waiting to pick up whatever dropped out of the explosion. I think they even marked the range with cargo containers to help with estimating when to launch the missles.
Here's a question: How do you defend against this tactic? You can't pre-emptively attack the pirates. Once the missles have been fired, the Indy is effectively dead.
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Sally
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Posted - 2004.02.16 11:12:00 -
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Here's a question: How do you defend against this tactic? You can't pre-emptively attack the pirates. Once the missles have been fired, the Indy is effectively dead.
1. Don't be AFK.
2. Use a Badger II with shield hardners and shield boosters and a smartbomb.
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2004.02.16 12:37:00 -
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Just as Sally says.
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Vindigo
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Posted - 2004.02.16 14:14:00 -
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Quote:
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Here's a question: How do you defend against this tactic? You can't pre-emptively attack the pirates. Once the missles have been fired, the Indy is effectively dead.
1. Don't be AFK.
2. Use a Badger II with shield hardners and shield boosters and a smartbomb.
3. keep an eye on local if you have valuable cargo :)
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scouting
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Posted - 2004.02.16 14:26:00 -
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spvd were doing this in lumi a few days ago..
viceroy was doing the scanning...2 monkeys the killing.
classy 
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Wild Rho
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Posted - 2004.02.16 14:40:00 -
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It is considered an exploit becuase the highways are 1.0 space and 1.0 is supposed to be 100% safe for anyone not in a war with a corp. This is to give players who do not have the skills, equipment, ships or inclination to do pvp some form of protection from pirates, marauders and greifers who WOULD just sit in 1.0 space and ransom or kill everyone.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.02.16 15:23:00 -
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As far as I know, using the grid to avoid CNCORD's attack is considered an exploit, but petition it and see.
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Raeff
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Posted - 2004.02.16 16:01:00 -
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so do sentry guns not shoot down missiles now? coulda sworn they did...
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.02.16 16:18:00 -
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so do sentry guns not shoot down missiles now? coulda sworn they did...
The sentry guns would only react if the missiles were fired in the same grid.
since the people firing the missiles are shooting from a different grid, the sentries don't react.
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Cristobal
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Posted - 2004.02.16 17:16:00 -
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Skills hit the nail on the head and misuse of game mechanics is right on the very edge of using exploits, and should be dealt with by CCP much in the same manner as exploiters.
I understand the risk involved in the game, however these tactics should result in a heavy penalty to the aggressors Security Rating, even if they are able to avoid the Concord reprisals. The waiting scavengers will fade if the aggressors suffer heavy rating decreases for their actions, which will result in their inability to operate in high security areas.
It is my opinion that players that partake in this sort of activity really have no place in the EVE Universe. They are not good for the game, and are a hindrance to game growth.
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.02.16 19:50:00 -
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I haven't done it but I would imagine you could:
Fire off enough cruise to destroy said ship, turn on dual MWDs and simply outrun concord. I don't know if concord got a speed boost but they never were able to catch up to even a single MWD in the past.
Whatever you do I wouldn't try the warp as the missles are in the air because concord will insta-warp to wherever you go, so you would be better off getting up to speed as the missles fly.
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devensire
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Posted - 2004.02.17 00:10:00 -
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hey skillz, i noticed that awhile ago you posted here that its an exploit to kill and run away in 1.0 space yet you did just that, i saw you attack a newb who had just asked a question in the help channel, you told him it was importent he died, he was in 1.0 space and you podded him right beside the gate, so are you saying that that was an exploit? also just for my own curiosity how can skillz and skilz be attacking at the same time with the same weapons in the same ship? you got two accounts? by the way i didnt post thi sas my regular char,just for safty :) |
Skillz
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Posted - 2004.02.17 00:53:00 -
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I'm sorry but with my -9.8, I can't even be in 0.5 much less 1.0 except in a pod and in one of those, I can't even lock much less fire anything whatsoever.
Perhaps you're refering to 0.0 and not 1.0
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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