Originally by: LaVista Vista

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Edited by: LaVista Vista on 18/09/2007 09:43:27
So. You expect 100% profit. Thats fine. Adds a new flavor to the market if you can pull this off.

But why are you doing this(Profits? See question below)
How much will be paid out to shareholders? Whatever you make of profits, or are you taking a cut?

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Originally by: McRuder

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You are asking for 4 billion isk in total? You have traded with that amount only once before. 100% or more profit on that amount within 1 month is a bit optimistic considering your experience. What do you realistically think you are going to make? Are you going to start trading on the day of IPO or wait till all shares are sold? Lastly please tell me what influence the current mineral trends will have on modules in future plse.

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Originally by: Mark Weston

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Edited by: Mark Weston on 18/09/2007 10:08:47
Edited by: Mark Weston on 18/09/2007 10:08:10
I'd be tempted to gamble a little on this. However, if it were a plan for a longer term investment then to be honest I'd be a bit worried.

There's nothing in it for you. If I understand what you've written correctly, then I'm getting back 100% of the profits made from the ISK I invest. Now while that's nice for me, I can't help thinking that the only incentive you'll have to keep making profits with my money would be the fact that you've mistakenly pooled it with yours. Our interests won't be properly aligned, and in the longer term that's going to be a temptation for you to either stop making an effort or to do something naughty.

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Originally by: Ambo

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Also, this is a possible point of failure. It is possible that no one would be interested in running these missions. Lets face it, it's not the most fun you can have in Eve... However, I've spoken with those still around and with others thinking about joining and I'm confident this will not be an issue.

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Originally by: SencneS

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It's a bit off Topic but Planetside is where I came from too, There is a small community of Planetside players that join a channel, EvEmail me if you want the channel name.

It's not a spy channel or anything, we've had many different alliances enemy and friend alike join.

List some names that are willing to vouch for you and I'll give an honest opinion. I'll be honest I only play on Emerald so if you're on a different server I don't know them. My name doesn't carry much weight either but if it helps get money away from SOE I'm for it

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Originally by: SencneS

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It's a bit off Topic but Planetside is where I came from too, There is a small community of Planetside players that join a channel, EvEmail me if you want the channel name.

It's not a spy channel or anything, we've had many different alliances enemy and friend alike join.

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Originally by: Shadarle

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If this was for 1 billion or 2 billion I'd consider chipping in a little... but I honestly think 4 billion is too much to trust to someone who has no history at all with handling others money.

I also question the ability to turn 4 billion into 8 billion in one month from someone who hasn't played all that much, especially recently. I know it is possible to do it... I just don't see any reason to trust you to be able to do it.

Anytime someone comes out of nowhere an all of a sudden asks for so much money and promises to return such a massive percentage I have to believe something is up. There is no reason to offer 100% returns other than to lure more people in. There is also no reason to get 4 billion to start this, as it actually hurts your own profits. If you are investing 400 mill of your own money then you'd be better off starting off with 2 billion investment. You'd then be making 20% of all the profits, with 4 billion you're only making 10%.

I would like to think that this is not a scam... but I personally think it is asking for too much money while not being very logical about the reasons for wanting so much. The "because thats the way I wanna do it" line is usually reserved for scams. People who have a legitimate business in mind can explain exactly why they need 4 billion instead of 2 billion.

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Originally by: kimish

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ehh. tell me once again HOW did you lose those 5billions and why is it that your left with something only worth 400mill?

and you want me to cast up to 4 billions in your direction?!

your kidding right?

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Originally by: Ambo

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1) I honestly consider 4 bil a small amount. I guess that comes from making so much so quickly but I figured it would be a nice small amount to start with.
2) When I reached 5 bil before it felt like I had about the right amount, prior to that I was constantly short of cash to place buy orders and create contracts.
3) I don't need 4 bil. Before I started with 80 mil and this time I have around 400 mil so I could start from there but it was pretty slow to pickup last time around and I want to avoid that this time.

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Originally by: Sphynx Stormlord

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No, the other way it makes sense is if his motivation isnt to get rich, but to have fun meeting a challenge (create ipo, double money real fast, get cool reputation).

In which case, just selling his shares, getting his 5 bil back, and comming back a month later with 10 bil realy doesnt meet his goal at all.

I may well buy some shares if I read the right forum on the 27th, and they are not all sold out immediatly. But not more than i can afford to loose.

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Originally by: Sphynx Stormlord

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No, the other way it makes sense is if his motivation isnt to get rich, but to have fun meeting a challenge (create ipo, double money real fast, get cool reputation).

In which case, just selling his shares, getting his 5 bil back, and comming back a month later with 10 bil realy doesnt meet his goal at all.

I may well buy some shares if I read the right forum on the 27th, and they are not all sold out immediatly. But not more than i can afford to loose.

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Originally by: Kitex

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Edited by: Kitex on 19/09/2007 05:36:47
Edited by: Kitex on 19/09/2007 05:35:50
/sniff sniff sniff

Personally, I'm not smelling a scam here. I am smelling a high risk investment due to your own admission that you get bored easily, and because your 3 year old character only has 5 months of played time. That said, your high rate of return is in line with the risk.

I'll probably throw a little money at you if you decide to go forward with this, contingent on your promise that if you do lose interest, you'll at least settle with investors first rather than leaving us high and dry.


I'd only have your word, and my notion that your word probably means something to you, but it'd be enough to secure my investment.

Edit: I hate to be nosey when it comes to your investments, but is there anyway you can verify that you do in fact own several billion in shares? It would help to establish that you did at least once have the kind of cash you're claiming to have had, and would give you some credibility on that count at least. If you can share the names of some known publicly traded shares that you own, I'd feel a little more secure in investing in you.

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Originally by: Shadarle

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Originally by: Ambo

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1) I honestly consider 4 bil a small amount. I guess that comes from making so much so quickly but I figured it would be a nice small amount to start with.
2) When I reached 5 bil before it felt like I had about the right amount, prior to that I was constantly short of cash to place buy orders and create contracts.
3) I don't need 4 bil. Before I started with 80 mil and this time I have around 400 mil so I could start from there but it was pretty slow to pickup last time around and I want to avoid that this time.

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Pardon me, but you completely contradict yourself in 1 and 3.

First you say that you consider 4 billion to be a small amount because you made 5 billion so quickly. Then you say that you want to start with 4 billion because it was pretty slow to pickup last time around. These cannot both be true. Either you made the money really fast or you didn't.

Personally it seems like you're trying to brag about being able to turn 80 mil in 5 billion, yet you somehow don't have 4 billion now because you bought over-priced stock? Yet you still have it? Why not sell it then? If you had any kid of business sense you wouldn't leave 5 billion isk in an investment making you 5-10% when you just turned 80 mil into 5 bil in a single month like you claimed.

You suddenly stop bragging though when trying to explain why you need 4 billion right away. Because you don't want to slowly build up to it and you don't care about your own personal profit. You just want to make us money. How kind of you.

Sorry... I'm even more scared of investing based upon your reply. Perhaps this is all legit... but it definitely doesn't pass my personal smell test.

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Originally by: Dr Slurm

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This whole thing is kind of pointless if he doesn't open the books for the investors. How else will they now if he ferreted away ISK before the big pay out?

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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro

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You could give out your full API key to your larger shareholders (via a mailing list rather than on the forums). They'd see your every move in the market, but they wouldn't be able to use the information to their advantage without hurting their investments.

I'd be willing to invest a moderate amount if you considered doing this.

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