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Krulla Minmatar Miner Protection Guild	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:19:00 - [31] The thing is, 20 thousand years in the future, any direct similarities would have vanished a long long time ago. Think about it - twenty thousand years ago mankind still thought bashing two rocks together was a really neat and fun activity.
Koryvarn Amarr Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:22:00 - [32] Well, Marsielle, the second biggest city in France, was founded by the greeks many many moons ago. Big enough link to me. That said, it's not just Greek Mythology - there's a lot of Celtic lore in there too... Tristan, Taranis, some middle eastern gods... Ishtar, Ishkur A lot of the Minmatarr ships are named after the Nordic mythology: Munin and Hugin, the 2 ravens of Odin being the most easily recognised, yet Minmater aren't exactly blondes from scandinavia. They needed name for ships. It could be worse, though I agree with the OP, it would have been cooler if they'd stuck to one one ancient religion per race, rather than mixing and matching
Fogy Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:43:00 - [33] 500 years from now the greek are all STILL high on the movie 300, and thought they could take over europe, with swords and round shields, and leather g-strings... but it didnt go so well.. theyr initial assault was on france (for some obvious <insert joke about frensh millitary> reason) In the end, Greez ends up as Frensh land. Now.. the greeks all disapointed, depressed and embarised, realising theyr not as "hardcore" as the good old countrymen. so they all start (or continue) drinking and smoking weed.. mating with all the frensh turists comming to greez (exclusive holliday rights). In the end, frans and greez is like fused together.. sharing looks religion, history, and mytholigy.. and thats the explenation of your question Nath! Cheers!<3 Fogy "From my rotting boddy flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity"
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:47:00 - [34] Originally by: Nathrezim Why didnt you name them (...) Waterloo (...) ? :P Primary Nathrezim. (Waterloo is perhaps the biggest defeat of Napoleon.) I'd say first Evian people don't even know what is the Earth, so... frenches... wtf :) Second, Eve's ship have mythologic. If you seek "french" gods, you should have some in the Gaule's mythology (i dn't know the english name, latin's is Gallia, itr's the name of the place before francs came and the name became France. The mythology is shared with irish's Tuata de Danan). Here's some that are common in irish's and "gaulloise"'s mythology : - "Lug Samildanach" (prime god) - "Dagda" (druidic god) - "Ogme" (god of war's magic and knowledge) - "Nuada" (god of kings and celts) - "Goibniu" (forges) - "Credne" (bronze) - "Luchta" (woodcraft) - "Diancecht" (medecine) - "Oengus" or "Mac Oc" (youth) - "Brigit" (godess of poets, steelcrafting and medecine) And the typical "gaulloise" one : - "Belenos" (god of fire and light). Close to Lug. - "Esus" (?). Close to Dagda. - "Taranis" (Thunder). Close to Thor. Ingame. :) - "TeutatFs" or "Toutatis" (?). Close to Ogme. Esus, Taranis and TeutatFs are from the gaulloise's trinity. - "Ogmios" is Ogme. - "Sucellos" (hell and fertillity). Close to Jupiter and of the Dagda - "Belisama" (art, knowledge, wisdom). Close to AthTna or Minerva. Protection godess. - "Epona" / "Rhiannon" (horses, war horses, travels). No, Zelda invented nothing there :) - "Morigu" (war godess). Close to Irish's Morrigane. - "Gwydion" (wisdom and friend of mens). 2isk
Morrigu Storm Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:50:00 - [35] I take full responsability for Nath going off on one about this. I happened to mention I name all my ships in theme with what type they are and google for the meanings of their names etc.
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:53:00 - [36] rp mode French? beh, i'm Gallente and proud of it but not french, my ancestors came from a small country called 'Holland' on the continent called 'Europe' on the western hemisphere of the mythical birth planet called 'Earth'. Stories told from father to son speak of a huge sum having been paid to hitch a ride on the first colonyships entering the eve gate. So am i Gallente? Hell yeah, but am i of French origin? No. rp mode off I wonder where ccp got the idea of french origins from anyways, mebbe i should read the background stories a bit more hehe. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Maltitol Gallente Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:55:00 - [37] im waiting for a joke about Quebec here... Born Ottawa guy right here I speak french and am Gallente, and proud of it
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:56:00 - [38] Originally by: Morrigu Storm I take full responsability for Nath going off on one about this. I happened to mention I name all my ships in theme with what type they are and google for the meanings of their names etc. Morrigu, OMG JUST AFTER MY POST \o/ (french celt's godess of war, read my post) 2isk
Bish Ounen Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:56:00 - [39] This thread reminds me of this.
Safel Nastra	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:57:00 - [40] they got greek ship names to demonstrate to the rest of races how they are learn-ed and well-read
Oriella Trikassi Trikassi Enterprises	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:59:00 - [41] My 2 ISK would be that in mentioning Earth ancestry and giving NPCs names that related to this the Devs had some hope that players would also pick 'real' names and not import their favorite characters from other games whose names mostly derive from pulp fantasy trilogies or adolescent wet dreams. Almost all of you ignored this, and Mr Rkbngyd and Ms Bigboobies are suffering on Teamspeak as a result. --- Trikassi Enterprises, oiling the jumpgates of commerce without microbidding.
Ravysa Delorean Amarr Torro Negro Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:00:00 - [42] Ancient Greece has nothing to do with nowadays Greece except location. Perhaps as the french are european they preserved the greek mythologie and brought it to new Eden.
Morrigu Storm Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:07:00 - [43] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: Morrigu Storm I take full responsability for Nath going off on one about this. I happened to mention I name all my ships in theme with what type they are and google for the meanings of their names etc. Morrigu, OMG JUST AFTER MY POST \o/ (french celt's godess of war, read my post) Yeah I saw your post. I wanted a fairly original name inline with the RP aspect of the game. I first came accross the name in one of David Gemmell's books but that sort of mythology and topic have allways had me interested.
Halkin D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:10:00 - [44] as an honorary greek i demand an answer also. ... oh nvm i thought it said geek Originally by: Paper Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:19:00 - [45] Gallente are of french decent, by genetics and last names. Caldari, are more from Japanese and Finnish decent for some reason.
Nolin Riis Gallente Placid Reborn The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:21:00 - [46] Does the word and concept of a 'Frenchman' even still exist in Eve? I'm pretty sure that even before finding the wormhole that many Earth cultures were blending and reinventing themselves, just as they do today. Plus, the dark age after the collapse probably destroyed almost all knowledge of the original civilization. Even animals like the jaguar are referred to in ship descriptions as mythological. Never a threat, but always a thorn in the side.
Kyrynn	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:22:00 - [47] You get the good with the bad. Pros: excellent in PvP. Cons: They're french. It could be worse.
Major Death Caldari Space Salvage Incorperated	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:30:00 - [48] Edited by: Major Death on 18/09/2007 18:30:00 The ships are named that way because CCP used one of those 1980's 'Name your Starship' books. Its like a 'Name your Baby' for Nerds. My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was remove for lack of EVE content! ;)
iiOs Blood Corsair's The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:32:00 - [49] Originally by: Kyrynn You get the good with the bad. Pros: excellent in PvP. Cons: They're french. It could be worse. ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- BB
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:33:00 - [50] Originally by: Nathrezim The French (non-existant) mythology has absolutely NOTHING to do with 6,000 years of Ancient Greek Mythology. The ancient Franks belived in nature gods just like the rest of Europe back then. STAND OUT!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:35:00 - [51] Originally by: 000Hunter000 rp mode French? beh, i'm Gallente and proud of it but not french, my ancestors came from a small country called 'Holland' on the continent called 'Europe' on the western hemisphere of the mythical birth planet called 'Earth'. Stories told from father to son speak of a huge sum having been paid to hitch a ride on the first colonyships entering the eve gate. So am i Gallente? Hell yeah, but am i of French origin? No. Sorry Gallentes are of French origian just like you mon ami unless the French conquered Holland. Open up wide and swallow this spoon of oysters and snails. STAND OUT!
Frug Zenithal Harvest 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:42:00 - [52] Am I the only person who thinks it's a little bizarre that the OP is of the opinion that ancient Greek history is something for Greeks and Greeks alone? As if it wasn't the seat of western civilization and the birthplace of a huge portion of our current culture today and like French people can't use ancient Greek god names because modern France has no connection with ancient Greece at all? I'm going with cornucopian on this one. Sounds more like some weird nationalistic pride thing than any common sense. Those ancient greek gods are just as embedded in modern western tradition as anything from those days. You can't take a single philosophy course without hearing something brought up from that period. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Nathrezim Gallente Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:46:00 - [53] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Nathrezim The French (non-existant) mythology has absolutely NOTHING to do with 6,000 years of Ancient Greek Mythology. The ancient Franks belived in nature gods just like the rest of Europe back then. Im talking about the FRENCH, not the Franks. Those are two completely different entities, as the Greeks and the Ancient Greeks are. France existed firstly as a nation during 1400's and 1500's if im not mistaken. Around the same period when Byzantium Empire fell and the great Schism between Orthodox and Catholic Church took place. After the Rhoman Empire lost its last speckle of Glory that is. So, the French have a history repertoir like 200 years older than the U.S.A.. Which barely touches 600 years in total. The game clearly indicates that Gallente are of French (not Frank) origin and clearly Ancient Greek names are used to name those ''french origins'' ships. That's where ive been trying to conclude :)
tla gnillortmurof Minmatar	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:46:00 - [54] Not all Gallente ships are named after Greek gods. Ishtar was a Mesopotamian semitic goddess, and Astarte is the Greek name for Ishtar.
Nathrezim Gallente Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:47:00 - [55] Edited by: Nathrezim on 18/09/2007 18:47:46 Originally by: Frug Am I the only person who thinks it's a little bizarre that the OP is of the opinion that ancient Greek history is something for Greeks and Greeks alone? As if it wasn't the seat of western civilization and the birthplace of a huge portion of our current culture today and like French people can't use ancient Greek god names because modern France has no connection with ancient Greece at all? I'm going with cornucopian on this one. Sounds more like some weird nationalistic pride thing than any common sense. Those ancient greek gods are just as embedded in modern western tradition as anything from those days. You can't take a single philosophy course without hearing something brought up from that period. Did i say ''no dont use them'' ? Im making a straightforward question here mate. If you fail to see it, maybe troll elsewhere Originally by: tla gnillortmurof Not all Gallente ships are named after Greek gods. Ishtar was a Mesopotamian semitic goddess, and Astarte is the Greek name for Ishtar. I didnt say all ^ ;)
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Cataclysm Enterprises Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:54:00 - [56] Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 18/09/2007 18:56:07 Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 18/09/2007 18:55:35 It is not that simple to say that, so the Gallente have French Origins, all their names and ships should be based on this. Ok, this is how I understood the backstory. Way before the EVE gate collapsed the systems around Earth and probably Earth itself were dominated by powerful Megacorporations. Maybe each with the same size and power as one of the EVE empires, who fought for even more power and money and the inflated egos of their CEOs and directors. The first settlers of EVE were those that did not fit in this society. -People from Tau Ceti (not neccessary all french) who still valued their democracy, which was not too popular in the corporate culture. (Gallente) -Religous activists that felt the corporations had moved too far away from god and wanted a home as far away from the megacorps as possible. (Amarr) -Semi-nomadic settlers who simply wanted to go near the borders of known space and develop their own culture. (Minmatar) -Smaller Megacorps that were not powerful enough to fight the larger megacorps for a share of the developed worlds close to earth and choose to move into the EVE-Cluster. (Caldari)
Ehranavaar	Posted - 2007.09.18 19:56:00 - [57] Originally by: Frug Because they couldn't just be considering themselves "western europeans" and be adopting generic ancient western European historical tidbits centuries into the future? people in greece used to devote a lot of time and energy to killing people from two cities over and every little city was fiercely independant yet now they are all just greeks. from that far in the future we are lucky they remember earth had separate countries at all. it's also amusing that a person should champion a culture where half the populace were slaves as "discovering" liberty.
Kurt Wulf	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:25:00 - [58] Hi, firt of all, i'm french so excuse my bad english :) I think there is no special relation to seek between France and Greece, as a matter of fact, we french people are used to use greek mythological terms. Per exemple, a very famous car in France made by Renault is called "Clio" (i'll have to improve my english before i can give any further explanation about who is Clio, but a quick google search should help). Another exemple, i may be wrong, the name of "Europe" which comes from the same greek mythology has been given to that union since his creation in the 50s (and it is well known that France played a great part in it). About "french victories names", i guess that's a little out context. EvE's universe is in the future, very far from 2007. Great french victories may already have been forgotten or at least not taught anymore at school and not comemorated anymore. When Gallente Federation was born, it is obvious that all their french past was "lost". Hmm, i play Gallente and i must say it's amusing when i can read some names (region, npc, etc..) because they seem familiar to me ;)
Andargor theWise Collateral Damage Unlimited Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:30:00 - [59] OMG! More than 90% of the servers at work are named with Greek names! So I'm not really Canadian, I'M GREEK! - Got grief?
Tkar vonBiggendorf Gallente Snake Eyes Inc deadspace society	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:42:00 - [60] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Frug Caldari are a spinoff faction of the gallente right? So why do all our names sound japanese? My eve history is pretty bad, but afaik Eve takes place way in the future after a bunch of factions get cut off from earth and go through a kind of dark age before reclaiming the skies and becoming 'civilized' again. A lot of things get lost and confused over times of turmoil. All you have to do is look back through real history to see that. And eve is that on an epic scale. They're a spinoff of the Federation, not of the Gallente race. The Federation encompassed the Gallente, Intaki, Jin-Mei, Caldari (and their bloodlines). The Caldari were found by the Gallente and then you know. But I believe the rest of the info says "although any direct similarities have long since vanished." They're two completely different groups, but they happened to develop independently on separate planets in the same solar system during New Eden's dark ages. The system is Luminaire, in Gallente space, and one of the planets is called Caldari Prime. If you ask me, the real debate should be why the Caldari have ugly metal boxes named after birds. There shouldn't be any birds left on their original home planet after the orbital bombardment by the Gallente. They have no right to use bird names anymore!

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