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Nathrezim Gallente Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:15:00 - [1] Because, if anyone takes into consideration the fact that 80%+ of Gallente ships are named after Ancient Greek Gods/Godesses/Daimons/Kers and the lot(Thorax,Deimos,Eos,Astarte,Thanatos,Nyx,Erebus,Moros,Enyo,Ares,Eris,Lachesis,Arazuetc etc etc), then i really doubt that they are French! Why didnt you name them Napoleon, or Waterloo,or Jean D'Arch or whatever? :P The French (non-existant) mythology has absolutely NOTHING to do with 6,000 years of Ancient Greek Mythology. I'm really really interested in a reply from a Game Developer, or someone else who has the authority to do so, explaining me, a Greek guy, why the supposedly Frenchies, get to use Ancient Greek names/titles for their ships, considering that French History and Greek History have NOTHING in common, other than the fact that both entities lie within Europe. Why dont you rename the description in Gallente, from ''French Origins'', to ''Greek Origins''. Greece was the place of birth of liberty, democracy etc anyway, not France.. the french people just woke up at 1789 AD, when democracy was ''invented'' by the Ancient Greeks almost 5,000 years before that. Someone messed up when CCP started designing the game/names/bio/background of the Factions? And speaking of which, why does the Bestower have greek letters written on either side? Amarrians share actually something with the Gallente? Maybe then, the ''friendships'' of this Galaxy shouldnt be minamatar and gallente -vs- amarr and caldari? Since Amarrians have something to do with Ancient Greeks, just like the Frenchies since both use Ancient Greek terms? Or even the Caldari Charon. Charon was the Ancient Greek deity that actually moved the dead people around the river Acheron, from the bank of life, to the bank of Hades, where their spirits would rest, once they died. Besides the sarcasm and the ''lol-effect'' of this post, i really do expect someone to pinpoint the seriousness of my ''questions'' and better have a good story to back them up, cause i really think that someone messed up when EvE-Beta was launched in a roleplayish way ;) Better late than never.
Nathrezim Gallente Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:15:00 - [2] Because, if anyone takes into consideration the fact that 80%+ of Gallente ships are named after Ancient Greek Gods/Godesses/Daimons/Kers and the lot(Thorax,Deimos,Eos,Astarte,Thanatos,Nyx,Erebus,Moros,Enyo,Ares,Eris,Lachesis,Arazuetc etc etc), then i really doubt that they are French! Why didnt you name them Napoleon, or Waterloo,or Jean D'Arch or whatever? :P The French (non-existant) mythology has absolutely NOTHING to do with 6,000 years of Ancient Greek Mythology. I'm really really interested in a reply from a Game Developer, or someone else who has the authority to do so, explaining me, a Greek guy, why the supposedly Frenchies, get to use Ancient Greek names/titles for their ships, considering that French History and Greek History have NOTHING in common, other than the fact that both entities lie within Europe. Why dont you rename the description in Gallente, from ''French Origins'', to ''Greek Origins''. Greece was the place of birth of liberty, democracy etc anyway, not France.. the french people just woke up at 1789 AD, when democracy was ''invented'' by the Ancient Greeks almost 5,000 years before that. Someone messed up when CCP started designing the game/names/bio/background of the Factions? And speaking of which, why does the Bestower have greek letters written on either side? Amarrians share actually something with the Gallente? Maybe then, the ''friendships'' of this Galaxy shouldnt be minamatar and gallente -vs- amarr and caldari? Since Amarrians have something to do with Ancient Greeks, just like the Frenchies since both use Ancient Greek terms? Or even the Caldari Charon. Charon was the Ancient Greek deity that actually moved the dead people around the river Acheron, from the bank of life, to the bank of Hades, where their spirits would rest, once they died. Besides the sarcasm and the ''lol-effect'' of this post, i really do expect someone to pinpoint the seriousness of my ''questions'' and better have a good story to back them up, cause i really think that someone messed up when EvE-Beta was launched in a roleplayish way ;) Better late than never.
Frug Zenithal Harvest 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:20:00 - [3] Because they couldn't just be considering themselves "western europeans" and be adopting generic ancient western European historical tidbits centuries into the future? - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Frug Zenithal Harvest 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:20:00 - [4] Because they couldn't just be considering themselves "western europeans" and be adopting generic ancient western European historical tidbits centuries into the future? - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:22:00 - [5] Interesting post. As a role player I look forward to see what some of the developers would have to say about this. Alchemy for a New World Order .^.
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:22:00 - [6] Interesting post. As a role player I look forward to see what some of the developers would have to say about this. Alchemy for a New World Order .^.
Del Narveux Dukes of Hazard	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:24:00 - [7] <insert overused joke about the French military here> But seriously I still fail to see why they said in the backstory theyre French, all it really does is entice people to carry their real-world feelings into the game. _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
Del Narveux Dukes of Hazard	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:24:00 - [8] <insert overused joke about the French military here> But seriously I still fail to see why they said in the backstory theyre French, all it really does is entice people to carry their real-world feelings into the game. _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
Frug Zenithal Harvest 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:32:00 - [9] Caldari are a spinoff faction of the gallente right? So why do all our names sound japanese? My eve history is pretty bad, but afaik Eve takes place way in the future after a bunch of factions get cut off from earth and go through a kind of dark age before reclaiming the skies and becoming 'civilized' again. A lot of things get lost and confused over times of turmoil. All you have to do is look back through real history to see that. And eve is that on an epic scale. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:38:00 - [10] Originally by: Frug Caldari are a spinoff faction of the gallente right? So why do all our names sound japanese? My eve history is pretty bad, but afaik Eve takes place way in the future after a bunch of factions get cut off from earth and go through a kind of dark age before reclaiming the skies and becoming 'civilized' again. A lot of things get lost and confused over times of turmoil. All you have to do is look back through real history to see that. And eve is that on an epic scale. They're a spinoff of the Federation, not of the Gallente race. The Federation encompassed the Gallente, Intaki, Jin-Mei, Caldari (and their bloodlines). The Caldari were found by the Gallente and then you know. But I believe the rest of the info says "although any direct similarities have long since vanished." Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

Trypho Minmatar Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:39:00 - [11] As far as I know the descriptions say the Gallente bloodline is French, and the other two are not! Besides, read the description: "The Gallenteans are originally of French origin, although any direct similarities have long since vanished."
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:40:00 - [12] True fact.. All Gallentee starships are constructed with a built in surrender button ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
Lysianna	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:44:00 - [13] Originally by: Del Narveux <insert overused joke about the French military here> But seriously I still fail to see why they said in the backstory theyre French, all it really does is entice people to carry their real-world feelings into the game. So you're saying that you don't like french people? Well most systems in gallente space are actually French .
Frug Zenithal Harvest 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:46:00 - [14] Originally by: Lysianna So you're saying that you don't like french people? No, he's saying it encourages old, tired jokes like the post above yours. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2007.09.18 15:47:00 - [15] The Gallente are from France cause a) Gallente women are the best looking in the universe. b) Gallente vehicles have quirky styling and are prone to breaking down. c) Gallente women are the best looking in the universe. So, it is obvious the Gallente are French. Maybe the ship builders had a poll and asked what names they should use for their ships 1. French Military Victories 2. Successful French Military Leaders 3. Names from Greek Mythology Given that union of 1 and 2 comprises the empty set (according to Google) then 3 is the obvious choice. What confuses me about the Amarr putting greek letters on their ships is why the leading Amarr loyalist alliance uses a Roman name. It was the Romans that smacked the Greeks and ended their independence.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.09.18 16:06:00 - [16] I suspect they're as much french as americans are deemed to be of english descent. It's merely the predominately cultural influence of the gallente. Americans on the other hand going on to become the amarr, whoa hold the bookburning bus!
Primnproper	Posted - 2007.09.18 16:09:00 - [17] Originally by: Banana Torres What confuses me about the Amarr putting greek letters on their ships is why the leading Amarr loyalist alliance uses a Roman name. It was the Romans that smacked the Greeks and ended their independence. Well the romans did then proceed to steal most of the greek culture because it was thought to be more sofisticated.... (Or so i've heard...)
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.09.18 16:14:00 - [18] Originally by: Banana Torres The Gallente are from France cause a) Gallente women are the best looking in the universe. c) Gallente women are the best looking in the universe. So, it is obvious the Gallente are French. You obviously aren't a true Gallente ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
VinnyTheBull	Posted - 2007.09.18 16:14:00 - [19] French Military Victories Linkage
Some Caldari Caldari Shadow Warrioz	Posted - 2007.09.18 16:14:00 - [20] Originally by: Illyria Ambri You obviously aren't a true Gallente That was cold. ------------ Originally by: Banana Torres Gurls are overrated, they nick your money and hurt your ears. Just so you can have limited access to their soft and squishy bits.

Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.09.18 16:23:00 - [21] Originally by: VinnyTheBull French Military Victories Linkage Fake Google page ftl.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.09.18 16:30:00 - [22] Edited by: Wendat Huron on 18/09/2007 16:30:21 Originally by: VinnyTheBull French Military Victories Linkage Non American Bull****
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.09.18 16:31:00 - [23] Originally by: VinnyTheBull French Military Victories Linkage Welcome to the internet. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.09.18 16:39:00 - [24] Originally by: Trypho As far as I know the descriptions say the Gallente bloodline is French, and the other two are not! Besides, read the description: "The Gallenteans are originally of French origin, although any direct similarities have long since vanished." How they know that they were of French origin after 30,000 years and at least one dark age is beyond me. In fact, according to the intro video, we don't even know where we came from - its all been lost to the mysteries of time. Perhaps what the thing meant was that the Gallente homeworld was originally an ethnically French colony? --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Nathrezim Gallente Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.09.18 16:42:00 - [25] Just to make it clear, i have no intention in my post to either insult France/Frances History, nor depict any sort of racism towrads french people. Im just pointing out the obvious. ''France and Greece have nothing in common history-wise nor anything-wise, other than the fact that both entities lie within europe, as i stated earlier.'' And to reply to someone who posted above that ''the game'' makes it rather clear that the Gallente are just of French origin, but nevertheless, every other sort of link is lost between the French and the Gallente, then why do 90% of Gallente NPCs still carry French names? :) Maybe, before the big kaba-boom in EvE universe, before the gates collapsed, maybe, the Greeks had dominated the world or something, hence the Gallente and the Amarr and the Caldari are influenced by Greek History/Names/Mythology. And the minmatar just existed, as a flaw of nature or something. That would make sense, but i find it highly unlikely something like that to have happened. But we dont know, since we dont have much pre-EvE background on our hands. And Gallente have lost their true link with the frenchies eh? Well, what happened then and they got so influenced by the Greeks then? Especially after the re-creation of EvE-Society like as i estimate approx. 20,000 years after the ancient greeks actually existed. They remembered them now? How? All links to Earth were lost due to the said big-kaba-boom. That arguement doesnt stand, nor makes any sense. As to the peep who did the first reply in this topic : Saying something among the lines of : ''It's an inside joke of Oveur and TomB'', would make much more sense and be more persuasive than what you wrote my friend :) And guys, please dont get this topic locked cause of your stupid jokes/links about the french. If a Forum Moderator is watching this, please delete the french-jokes-related posts. I dont want this to de-reail into that and succumb into a flame fest. Despite my posts being ''funny'' and humourous in a way, i still expect a decent answer from someone. Im just making them seem as humourous, so they are more plausible to read through :)
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.09.18 16:43:00 - [26] Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: Trypho As far as I know the descriptions say the Gallente bloodline is French, and the other two are not! Besides, read the description: "The Gallenteans are originally of French origin, although any direct similarities have long since vanished." How they know that they were of French origin after 30,000 years and at least one dark age is beyond me. In fact, according to the intro video, we don't even know where we came from - its all been lost to the mysteries of time. Perhaps what the thing meant was that the Gallente homeworld was originally an ethnically French colony? Well, the Gallente are at least twice removed. The Gallente were founded by the Tau Ceti planet's civlization who were originally from France. So we have France - > Tau Ceti - > Gallente And that is all about 20,000 years. So, I think the descriptions are just there for us, and the Gallente don't really "know." Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
oodin 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.09.18 16:53:00 - [27] Originally by: VinnyTheBull French Military Victories Linkage pure gold!!!!
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 16:57:00 - [28] Originally by: Nathrezim Just to make it clear, i have no intention in my post to either insult France/Frances History, nor depict any sort of racism towrads french people. Im just pointing out the obvious. ''France and Greece have nothing in common history-wise nor anything-wise, other than the fact that both entities lie within europe, as i stated earlier.'' And to reply to someone who posted above that ''the game'' makes it rather clear that the Gallente are just of French origin, but nevertheless, every other sort of link is lost between the French and the Gallente, then why do 90% of Gallente NPCs still carry French names? :) Maybe, before the big kaba-boom in EvE universe, before the gates collapsed, maybe, the Greeks had dominated the world or something, hence the Gallente and the Amarr and the Caldari are influenced by Greek History/Names/Mythology. And the minmatar just existed, as a flaw of nature or something. That would make sense, but i find it highly unlikely something like that to have happened. But we dont know, since we dont have much pre-EvE background on our hands. And Gallente have lost their true link with the frenchies eh? Well, what happened then and they got so influenced by the Greeks then? Especially after the re-creation of EvE-Society like as i estimate approx. 20,000 years after the ancient greeks actually existed. They remembered them now? How? All links to Earth were lost due to the said big-kaba-boom. That arguement doesnt stand, nor makes any sense. As to the peep who did the first reply in this topic : Saying something among the lines of : ''It's an inside joke of Oveur and TomB'', would make much more sense and be more persuasive than what you wrote my friend :) And guys, please dont get this topic locked cause of your stupid jokes/links about the french. If a Forum Moderator is watching this, please delete the french-jokes-related posts. I dont want this to de-reail into that and succumb into a flame fest. Despite my posts being ''funny'' and humourous in a way, i still expect a decent answer from someone. Im just making them seem as humourous, so they are more plausible to read through :) though I like your nationalist sentiments the french and greek DO share a common heritage: the greek were the first to run their state on the ratio and found a democartic rule (albeit only adult free sane men could vote), and US and the french were also the first to throw off the yoke of the aristocracy and priesthood, claiming again the ratio as a basis to run a state on. Human rights, a chosen government etc etc etc. Perhaps the french originators of the gallente named their ships in honor of the greek myths, to commemorate the fact that the gallentean roots stem from the greek in first place, then the french and the US. (the US lost the human rights thing after kennedy was shot though, arcing more towards military industrial caldari notions.... lol) tbh honest though you sound more like an angry nationalist greek than someone looking for a real answer. change your tone and people might take you more seriously. also, as for the names, if all the gallentean agents were called papadaparappaslappamappadopolis I would have become minmatar. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:00:00 - [29] Originally by: Cornucopian Perhaps the french originators of the gallente named their ships in honor of the greek myths, to commemorate the fact that the gallentean roots stem from the greek in first place, then the french and the US. (the US lost the human rights thing after kennedy was shot though, arcing more towards military industrial caldari notions.... lol) That can work. We know them as Greek myths. But the Gallente themselves know them as something different. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Nathrezim Gallente Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:10:00 - [30] Nice post Cornucopian, and yes indeed what you say could be true in game-terms. A rather acceptable answer. And my tone is funny, well thats what i thought, especially so i wouldnt sound like what you said that i sound to you. Well, ive been playing this game for 3 years now almost, and just now i realized how many gallente ships are actually named after Greek Mythology/etc after a talk in corp chat where i was explaining to the guys what Thanatos, Nyx and Erebus means (the gallente capitals) so, i just went on the forums to express this question of mine. Nothing more :) Honestly. Im a well-known smack-talker in sort of ''society-terms'' in the game, in my area of expertise (mainly pvp, shoot people, big blue shiny explosions and the stuff), so if i wanted to express anything that you are implying, i would've made it rather clear and not be so cryptic about it ;) And all my points are based upon logic, not any emotions that i might carry cause of me being a Greek. The fact that im a Greek, just states that i know more on this subject than an average non-greek player. I just like to criticize alot :) And i accept criticizm on me aswell, but feel free to eve-mail me if you want us to talk about this, dont want to make the forums a place of debate. So, Upon my logic thoughts and ''proof'',my initial question when i started this topic still stands.

Krulla Minmatar Miner Protection Guild	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:19:00 - [31] The thing is, 20 thousand years in the future, any direct similarities would have vanished a long long time ago. Think about it - twenty thousand years ago mankind still thought bashing two rocks together was a really neat and fun activity.
Koryvarn Amarr Liberty Rogues	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:22:00 - [32] Well, Marsielle, the second biggest city in France, was founded by the greeks many many moons ago. Big enough link to me. That said, it's not just Greek Mythology - there's a lot of Celtic lore in there too... Tristan, Taranis, some middle eastern gods... Ishtar, Ishkur A lot of the Minmatarr ships are named after the Nordic mythology: Munin and Hugin, the 2 ravens of Odin being the most easily recognised, yet Minmater aren't exactly blondes from scandinavia. They needed name for ships. It could be worse, though I agree with the OP, it would have been cooler if they'd stuck to one one ancient religion per race, rather than mixing and matching
Fogy Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:43:00 - [33] 500 years from now the greek are all STILL high on the movie 300, and thought they could take over europe, with swords and round shields, and leather g-strings... but it didnt go so well.. theyr initial assault was on france (for some obvious <insert joke about frensh millitary> reason) In the end, Greez ends up as Frensh land. Now.. the greeks all disapointed, depressed and embarised, realising theyr not as "hardcore" as the good old countrymen. so they all start (or continue) drinking and smoking weed.. mating with all the frensh turists comming to greez (exclusive holliday rights). In the end, frans and greez is like fused together.. sharing looks religion, history, and mytholigy.. and thats the explenation of your question Nath! Cheers!<3 Fogy "From my rotting boddy flowers shall grow and I am in them, and that is eternity"
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:47:00 - [34] Originally by: Nathrezim Why didnt you name them (...) Waterloo (...) ? :P Primary Nathrezim. (Waterloo is perhaps the biggest defeat of Napoleon.) I'd say first Evian people don't even know what is the Earth, so... frenches... wtf :) Second, Eve's ship have mythologic. If you seek "french" gods, you should have some in the Gaule's mythology (i dn't know the english name, latin's is Gallia, itr's the name of the place before francs came and the name became France. The mythology is shared with irish's Tuata de Danan). Here's some that are common in irish's and "gaulloise"'s mythology : - "Lug Samildanach" (prime god) - "Dagda" (druidic god) - "Ogme" (god of war's magic and knowledge) - "Nuada" (god of kings and celts) - "Goibniu" (forges) - "Credne" (bronze) - "Luchta" (woodcraft) - "Diancecht" (medecine) - "Oengus" or "Mac Oc" (youth) - "Brigit" (godess of poets, steelcrafting and medecine) And the typical "gaulloise" one : - "Belenos" (god of fire and light). Close to Lug. - "Esus" (?). Close to Dagda. - "Taranis" (Thunder). Close to Thor. Ingame. :) - "TeutatFs" or "Toutatis" (?). Close to Ogme. Esus, Taranis and TeutatFs are from the gaulloise's trinity. - "Ogmios" is Ogme. - "Sucellos" (hell and fertillity). Close to Jupiter and of the Dagda - "Belisama" (art, knowledge, wisdom). Close to AthTna or Minerva. Protection godess. - "Epona" / "Rhiannon" (horses, war horses, travels). No, Zelda invented nothing there :) - "Morigu" (war godess). Close to Irish's Morrigane. - "Gwydion" (wisdom and friend of mens). 2isk
Morrigu Storm Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:50:00 - [35] I take full responsability for Nath going off on one about this. I happened to mention I name all my ships in theme with what type they are and google for the meanings of their names etc.
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:53:00 - [36] rp mode French? beh, i'm Gallente and proud of it but not french, my ancestors came from a small country called 'Holland' on the continent called 'Europe' on the western hemisphere of the mythical birth planet called 'Earth'. Stories told from father to son speak of a huge sum having been paid to hitch a ride on the first colonyships entering the eve gate. So am i Gallente? Hell yeah, but am i of French origin? No. rp mode off I wonder where ccp got the idea of french origins from anyways, mebbe i should read the background stories a bit more hehe. CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
Maltitol Gallente Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:55:00 - [37] im waiting for a joke about Quebec here... Born Ottawa guy right here I speak french and am Gallente, and proud of it
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:56:00 - [38] Originally by: Morrigu Storm I take full responsability for Nath going off on one about this. I happened to mention I name all my ships in theme with what type they are and google for the meanings of their names etc. Morrigu, OMG JUST AFTER MY POST \o/ (french celt's godess of war, read my post) 2isk
Bish Ounen Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Combined Planetary Union	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:56:00 - [39] This thread reminds me of this.
Safel Nastra	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:57:00 - [40] they got greek ship names to demonstrate to the rest of races how they are learn-ed and well-read

Oriella Trikassi Trikassi Enterprises	Posted - 2007.09.18 17:59:00 - [41] My 2 ISK would be that in mentioning Earth ancestry and giving NPCs names that related to this the Devs had some hope that players would also pick 'real' names and not import their favorite characters from other games whose names mostly derive from pulp fantasy trilogies or adolescent wet dreams. Almost all of you ignored this, and Mr Rkbngyd and Ms Bigboobies are suffering on Teamspeak as a result. --- Trikassi Enterprises, oiling the jumpgates of commerce without microbidding.
Ravysa Delorean Amarr Torro Negro Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:00:00 - [42] Ancient Greece has nothing to do with nowadays Greece except location. Perhaps as the french are european they preserved the greek mythologie and brought it to new Eden.
Morrigu Storm Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:07:00 - [43] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn Originally by: Morrigu Storm I take full responsability for Nath going off on one about this. I happened to mention I name all my ships in theme with what type they are and google for the meanings of their names etc. Morrigu, OMG JUST AFTER MY POST \o/ (french celt's godess of war, read my post) Yeah I saw your post. I wanted a fairly original name inline with the RP aspect of the game. I first came accross the name in one of David Gemmell's books but that sort of mythology and topic have allways had me interested.
Halkin D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:10:00 - [44] as an honorary greek i demand an answer also. ... oh nvm i thought it said geek Originally by: Paper Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:19:00 - [45] Gallente are of french decent, by genetics and last names. Caldari, are more from Japanese and Finnish decent for some reason.
Nolin Riis Gallente Placid Reborn The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:21:00 - [46] Does the word and concept of a 'Frenchman' even still exist in Eve? I'm pretty sure that even before finding the wormhole that many Earth cultures were blending and reinventing themselves, just as they do today. Plus, the dark age after the collapse probably destroyed almost all knowledge of the original civilization. Even animals like the jaguar are referred to in ship descriptions as mythological. Never a threat, but always a thorn in the side.
Kyrynn	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:22:00 - [47] You get the good with the bad. Pros: excellent in PvP. Cons: They're french. It could be worse.
Major Death Caldari Space Salvage Incorperated	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:30:00 - [48] Edited by: Major Death on 18/09/2007 18:30:00 The ships are named that way because CCP used one of those 1980's 'Name your Starship' books. Its like a 'Name your Baby' for Nerds. My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was remove for lack of EVE content! ;)
iiOs Blood Corsair's The Red Skull	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:32:00 - [49] Originally by: Kyrynn You get the good with the bad. Pros: excellent in PvP. Cons: They're french. It could be worse. ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- BB
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:33:00 - [50] Originally by: Nathrezim The French (non-existant) mythology has absolutely NOTHING to do with 6,000 years of Ancient Greek Mythology. The ancient Franks belived in nature gods just like the rest of Europe back then. STAND OUT!

Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:35:00 - [51] Originally by: 000Hunter000 rp mode French? beh, i'm Gallente and proud of it but not french, my ancestors came from a small country called 'Holland' on the continent called 'Europe' on the western hemisphere of the mythical birth planet called 'Earth'. Stories told from father to son speak of a huge sum having been paid to hitch a ride on the first colonyships entering the eve gate. So am i Gallente? Hell yeah, but am i of French origin? No. Sorry Gallentes are of French origian just like you mon ami unless the French conquered Holland. Open up wide and swallow this spoon of oysters and snails. STAND OUT!
Frug Zenithal Harvest 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:42:00 - [52] Am I the only person who thinks it's a little bizarre that the OP is of the opinion that ancient Greek history is something for Greeks and Greeks alone? As if it wasn't the seat of western civilization and the birthplace of a huge portion of our current culture today and like French people can't use ancient Greek god names because modern France has no connection with ancient Greece at all? I'm going with cornucopian on this one. Sounds more like some weird nationalistic pride thing than any common sense. Those ancient greek gods are just as embedded in modern western tradition as anything from those days. You can't take a single philosophy course without hearing something brought up from that period. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Nathrezim Gallente Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:46:00 - [53] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Nathrezim The French (non-existant) mythology has absolutely NOTHING to do with 6,000 years of Ancient Greek Mythology. The ancient Franks belived in nature gods just like the rest of Europe back then. Im talking about the FRENCH, not the Franks. Those are two completely different entities, as the Greeks and the Ancient Greeks are. France existed firstly as a nation during 1400's and 1500's if im not mistaken. Around the same period when Byzantium Empire fell and the great Schism between Orthodox and Catholic Church took place. After the Rhoman Empire lost its last speckle of Glory that is. So, the French have a history repertoir like 200 years older than the U.S.A.. Which barely touches 600 years in total. The game clearly indicates that Gallente are of French (not Frank) origin and clearly Ancient Greek names are used to name those ''french origins'' ships. That's where ive been trying to conclude :)
tla gnillortmurof Minmatar	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:46:00 - [54] Not all Gallente ships are named after Greek gods. Ishtar was a Mesopotamian semitic goddess, and Astarte is the Greek name for Ishtar.
Nathrezim Gallente Darwin With Attitude oooh Shiny	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:47:00 - [55] Edited by: Nathrezim on 18/09/2007 18:47:46 Originally by: Frug Am I the only person who thinks it's a little bizarre that the OP is of the opinion that ancient Greek history is something for Greeks and Greeks alone? As if it wasn't the seat of western civilization and the birthplace of a huge portion of our current culture today and like French people can't use ancient Greek god names because modern France has no connection with ancient Greece at all? I'm going with cornucopian on this one. Sounds more like some weird nationalistic pride thing than any common sense. Those ancient greek gods are just as embedded in modern western tradition as anything from those days. You can't take a single philosophy course without hearing something brought up from that period. Did i say ''no dont use them'' ? Im making a straightforward question here mate. If you fail to see it, maybe troll elsewhere Originally by: tla gnillortmurof Not all Gallente ships are named after Greek gods. Ishtar was a Mesopotamian semitic goddess, and Astarte is the Greek name for Ishtar. I didnt say all ^ ;)
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Cataclysm Enterprises Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:54:00 - [56] Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 18/09/2007 18:56:07 Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 18/09/2007 18:55:35 It is not that simple to say that, so the Gallente have French Origins, all their names and ships should be based on this. Ok, this is how I understood the backstory. Way before the EVE gate collapsed the systems around Earth and probably Earth itself were dominated by powerful Megacorporations. Maybe each with the same size and power as one of the EVE empires, who fought for even more power and money and the inflated egos of their CEOs and directors. The first settlers of EVE were those that did not fit in this society. -People from Tau Ceti (not neccessary all french) who still valued their democracy, which was not too popular in the corporate culture. (Gallente) -Religous activists that felt the corporations had moved too far away from god and wanted a home as far away from the megacorps as possible. (Amarr) -Semi-nomadic settlers who simply wanted to go near the borders of known space and develop their own culture. (Minmatar) -Smaller Megacorps that were not powerful enough to fight the larger megacorps for a share of the developed worlds close to earth and choose to move into the EVE-Cluster. (Caldari)
Ehranavaar	Posted - 2007.09.18 19:56:00 - [57] Originally by: Frug Because they couldn't just be considering themselves "western europeans" and be adopting generic ancient western European historical tidbits centuries into the future? people in greece used to devote a lot of time and energy to killing people from two cities over and every little city was fiercely independant yet now they are all just greeks. from that far in the future we are lucky they remember earth had separate countries at all. it's also amusing that a person should champion a culture where half the populace were slaves as "discovering" liberty.
Kurt Wulf	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:25:00 - [58] Hi, firt of all, i'm french so excuse my bad english :) I think there is no special relation to seek between France and Greece, as a matter of fact, we french people are used to use greek mythological terms. Per exemple, a very famous car in France made by Renault is called "Clio" (i'll have to improve my english before i can give any further explanation about who is Clio, but a quick google search should help). Another exemple, i may be wrong, the name of "Europe" which comes from the same greek mythology has been given to that union since his creation in the 50s (and it is well known that France played a great part in it). About "french victories names", i guess that's a little out context. EvE's universe is in the future, very far from 2007. Great french victories may already have been forgotten or at least not taught anymore at school and not comemorated anymore. When Gallente Federation was born, it is obvious that all their french past was "lost". Hmm, i play Gallente and i must say it's amusing when i can read some names (region, npc, etc..) because they seem familiar to me ;)
Andargor theWise Collateral Damage Unlimited Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:30:00 - [59] OMG! More than 90% of the servers at work are named with Greek names! So I'm not really Canadian, I'M GREEK! - Got grief?
Tkar vonBiggendorf Gallente Snake Eyes Inc deadspace society	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:42:00 - [60] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Frug Caldari are a spinoff faction of the gallente right? So why do all our names sound japanese? My eve history is pretty bad, but afaik Eve takes place way in the future after a bunch of factions get cut off from earth and go through a kind of dark age before reclaiming the skies and becoming 'civilized' again. A lot of things get lost and confused over times of turmoil. All you have to do is look back through real history to see that. And eve is that on an epic scale. They're a spinoff of the Federation, not of the Gallente race. The Federation encompassed the Gallente, Intaki, Jin-Mei, Caldari (and their bloodlines). The Caldari were found by the Gallente and then you know. But I believe the rest of the info says "although any direct similarities have long since vanished." They're two completely different groups, but they happened to develop independently on separate planets in the same solar system during New Eden's dark ages. The system is Luminaire, in Gallente space, and one of the planets is called Caldari Prime. If you ask me, the real debate should be why the Caldari have ugly metal boxes named after birds. There shouldn't be any birds left on their original home planet after the orbital bombardment by the Gallente. They have no right to use bird names anymore!

An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:53:00 - [61] Originally by: Tkar vonBiggendorf Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Frug Caldari are a spinoff faction of the gallente right? So why do all our names sound japanese? My eve history is pretty bad, but afaik Eve takes place way in the future after a bunch of factions get cut off from earth and go through a kind of dark age before reclaiming the skies and becoming 'civilized' again. A lot of things get lost and confused over times of turmoil. All you have to do is look back through real history to see that. And eve is that on an epic scale. They're a spinoff of the Federation, not of the Gallente race. The Federation encompassed the Gallente, Intaki, Jin-Mei, Caldari (and their bloodlines). The Caldari were found by the Gallente and then you know. But I believe the rest of the info says "although any direct similarities have long since vanished." They're two completely different groups, but they happened to develop independently on separate planets in the same solar system during New Eden's dark ages. The system is Luminaire, in Gallente space, and one of the planets is called Caldari Prime. If you ask me, the real debate should be why the Caldari have ugly metal boxes named after birds. There shouldn't be any birds left on their original home planet after the orbital bombardment by the Gallente. They have no right to use bird names anymore! I wonder if Caldari Prime or New Caldari happen to be reminiscent of this planet. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Price Watcher	Posted - 2007.09.18 21:34:00 - [62] Seeing as Gallentes eat snails and frogs, sure they are french. POST WITH YOUR ALT! The Shame o' The Galaxy
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 21:53:00 - [63] Originally by: Price Watcher Seeing as Gallentes eat snails and frogs, sure they are french. lol, id rather eat snails and frogs than those caldari protein packs. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Arushia Nova Labs Empire Research	Posted - 2007.09.18 22:34:00 - [64] Originally by: Arron S Gallente are of french decent, by genetics and last names. Caldari, are more from Japanese and Finnish decent for some reason. You've hit on it: each empire is drawn from 2 sources for names and culture. Caldari are Japanese-Finnish Minmatar are African-Norse Gallente are French-Greek Amarr I think are Hebrew-something
Spenz Gallente Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.09.18 23:06:00 - [65] Every space game maker names their ships and weapons after ancient gods. NASA does the same for the most part, since the gods and the heavens are most always associated with each other. I mean what sounds cooler, the Apollo mission, or the Montana Moon Mission, flying the Richmond V rocket carrying the Connecticut command capsule and the Longview lunar lander? If I had an Alt I would probably post with it...
Frug Zenithal Harvest 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 23:36:00 - [66] Originally by: Tkar vonBiggendorf If you ask me, the real debate should be why the Caldari have ugly metal boxes named after birds. There shouldn't be any birds left on their original home planet after the orbital bombardment by the Gallente. They have no right to use bird names anymore! I agree. That issue is far more pressing. The moa looks nothing at all like a moa or anything that could ever be mistaken for a bird. They have no right at all to name those ships after birds. Name them after toasters. Except maybe the drake. The drake is pretty. Originally by: Cornucopian lol, id rather eat snails and frogs than those caldari protein packs. Reprocessed snails and frogs. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Usarua	Posted - 2007.09.18 23:53:00 - [67] Edited by: Usarua on 18/09/2007 23:54:28 http://www.militaryfactory.com/battles/french_military_victories.asp whats impressive is the amount of jokes that persist from americans when, without the support of french troops and french warships, they couldn't have overcome the british colonial forces. so yeah, do you spit on your own mothers IRL? just askin.
Usarua	Posted - 2007.09.19 00:02:00 - [68] Edited by: Usarua on 19/09/2007 00:05:32 Originally by: VinnyTheBull French Military Victories Linkage http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/victories.html BTW thats a nice looking fake google page meant to make fun of the french there, too bad the URL shows its from the most ignorant website in history. Originally by: Hllaxiu Originally by: Trypho As far as I know the descriptions say the Gallente bloodline is French, and the other two are not! Besides, read the description: "The Gallenteans are originally of French origin, although any direct similarities have long since vanished." How they know that they were of French origin after 30,000 years and at least one dark age is beyond me. In fact, according to the intro video, we don't even know where we came from - its all been lost to the mysteries of time. Perhaps what the thing meant was that the Gallente homeworld was originally an ethnically French colony? yes the backstory says "Originally french colonists", the shorthand description says of french origion. imo this whole thread is based on ignorance, the jokes, the OPs misunderstanding, etc. think of it as the french sending off a colonization party in the name of their country, then they get seperated just like all the other colonists, blah blah.
Rienholt Exterminatus BioChemical Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.09.19 00:14:00 - [69] Gotta give the French credit for having balls though. Any other nation ever launch an attack in taxi cabs? Sigs by AmbientOSX
MotoTsume Gallente Clan Black Scorpion	Posted - 2007.09.19 00:19:00 - [70] Originally by: Rienholt Gotta give the French credit for having balls though. Any other nation ever launch an attack in taxi cabs? First Battle of the Marne it actually was re-informents arriving from Paris that came by cabs ---------- www.mototsume.ca It's just a game........Or is it?

Rienholt Exterminatus BioChemical Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.09.19 00:21:00 - [71] Originally by: MotoTsume First Battle of the Marne it actually was re-informents arriving from Paris that came by cabs Oh shush... Sigs by AmbientOSX
MotoTsume Gallente Clan Black Scorpion	Posted - 2007.09.19 00:50:00 - [72] Originally by: Rienholt Originally by: MotoTsume First Battle of the Marne it actually was re-informents arriving from Paris that came by cabs Oh shush... taxi de la Marne ---------- www.mototsume.ca It's just a game........Or is it?
Aldee Federated Holdings	Posted - 2007.09.19 03:41:00 - [73] Originally by: Usarua alot of generalizations If you are talking about the jokes posted in this thread I read it twice and I can't tell the ethnicity of the ppl posting the jokes. I dont know the americans you know I guess... all the ones I know are proud of their heritage.
Skyle Drake	Posted - 2007.09.19 03:50:00 - [74] Edited by: Skyle Drake on 19/09/2007 03:50:48 Originally by: Illyria Ambri True fact.. All Gallentee starships are constructed with a built in surrender button I guess the Jove must be Americans as they have waited 4 years after the conflict started before getting involved. And then I am sure we will hear how they won it.
Medigan Kostas	Posted - 2007.09.19 04:00:00 - [75] Well, the Gallente (Gallente Bloodline) do look a lot like the cast and extras off the 5th Element which was a french co-production if I remember correctly.
xJohnnyDx Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.19 04:15:00 - [76] Dunno if anyone pointed it out yet, but that google page is actually real, just type "french military victories", and hit "I'm feeling lucky". Pretty funny, really. PLACE SIGNATURE HERE What?! [Insert event here] happened? Quick, start a new thread on the forums!
Rilder Caldari THC LTD Dogs of War.	Posted - 2007.09.19 05:29:00 - [77] Look at all those whiners about various gallente ships, saying there underpowerd... Yea do you really wonder why ccp made there roots french. --
Mithfindel Amarr Ordo Crucis Argenteus	Posted - 2007.09.20 20:49:00 - [78] Banana Torres asked about the Greek letters on the Amarr ships: Well, while they might not have preserved in full, if anything at all, it is likely that the Amarr had, even at the moment of their plight, tried to preserve parts of the Bible. New Testament happens to be originally written in Greek. Some reminders of this have been carried over multiple translations, as well. "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End," says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty." -- Revelation 1:8
Phiberoptick Gallente KHM Corporation	Posted - 2007.09.20 21:18:00 - [79] There from "French Onions" your doing it wrong.
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2007.09.20 22:23:00 - [80] The Gallente remind me more of the US with their mission to bring "Truth, Democracy and Justice to all"

Arushia Nova Labs Empire Research	Posted - 2007.09.20 22:31:00 - [81] Originally by: Paulo Damarr The Gallente remind me more of the US with their mission to bring "Truth, Democracy and Justice to all" Too bad the current US govenrment has such strange definitions of those. The US is hardly the world's only or best democracy.
Kin Hanyerec Applied Eugenics Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.09.20 23:12:00 - [82] I think greek names have something to do with the fact that the first democratic society in history was greek and the gallente being the only true democratic society in eve... So the names doesn't come from their french origins but from the parallelism with their current society and the greek society of the past.
Frug Zenithal Harvest 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.20 23:23:00 - [83] Originally by: xJohnnyDx Dunno if anyone pointed it out yet, but that google page is actually real, just type "french military victories", and hit "I'm feeling lucky". Pretty funny, really. Do you know what the i'm feeling lucky button does? No? Okay. It's not a real page. You fail. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.09.20 23:27:00 - [84] Gallente aren't French. They're Tau Ceti French. For all we know, Tau Ceti French are actually Swahili believing in Greek gods and goddesses. --- Join BH-DL Important Skills
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2007.09.21 01:27:00 - [85] Originally by: cal nereus Gallente aren't French. They're Tau Ceti French. For all we know, Tau Ceti French are actually Swahili believing in Greek gods and goddesses. Who let your prune face into this thread? Shoo!
xJohnnyDx Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.22 03:55:00 - [86] Originally by: Frug Originally by: xJohnnyDx Dunno if anyone pointed it out yet, but that google page is actually real, just type "french military victories", and hit "I'm feeling lucky". Pretty funny, really. Do you know what the i'm feeling lucky button does? No? Okay. It's not a real page. You fail. As far as I know, the "I'm Feeling Lucky" button directs you to a random website that contains your search option. Regardless of what the button actually does, my statement is correct. The google page is, in fact, real. It's through google, anyone can try it and get the same result every time. PLACE SIGNATURE HERE What?! [Insert event here] happened? Quick, start a new thread on the forums!


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