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Eulalinda Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:37:00 - [31] Originally by: scrapironfish Ok something has to be done about jita. Agreed. Jita is the icon of everything I dislike about CCP (not that there's much to dislike but Jita is the epitome). It's kinda scary how many people in these forums subscribe to the philosophy "If it's broke, don't try to fix it" regarding Jita. Nevermind the fact that 1-4 seconds of lag is common even where I run missions (Aphend system with 30-40 in local). I guess we should just keep shelling out money and come to love the atrocious lag. With 190,000 paying EVE customers and game time costing $11-15/month, CCP collects from us $2.1-2.8 million/month ($25-34 million/year). Server upgrades?
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:41:00 - [32] Edited by: Cornucopian on 18/09/2007 20:41:20 Originally by: Iomar Uisdean Originally by: Cornucopian that is utter bullcrap. my sell orders fly off the shelves even in systems that arent designated as hubs. undercutting 1 ISK on jita prices..... you guys.... I sell ships in gallente hubs, i sell salvage all over the place, ammo in missionhubs and random **e all over eve, it takes me the MAX of a week to unload 90% of my sell orders. and I sell all kinds of different stuff. why make margin profits around jita when you can sell stuff at 200% in the right place? For instance, try selling hybrid charges in amarr mission hubs where there is hardly any ammo on the local market: you will make a killing (hybrid ammo is used by 2 races and there are plenty of people running missions in hybrid ships). Or perhaps supplying tanking stuff for all the eve players who drop by cosmos systems? or buy a hyperion in metropolis for 137 mil and sell it in gallente space for 155 mil. maybe put up a 1000 shuttles in a 0.0 neutral station at 50k a pop.... all this jita whining is just lazy people who cant be bothered to actually research trading and moan while they have to load jita for half an hour. GET SMART? GET OUT OF JITA! Jeeze, there's no need to be so darn hostile. I happen to (mostly) agree with your points about where and how to sell stuff. I posted why I sell (much of) my stuff in Jita to make a point. The point is, it's easy, it's quick apart from getting away and one doesn't have to spend hardly any time thinking, planning, scheeming, researching. Just take the stuff and throw it on the market in Jita at whatever price you want, some fool will buy it pretty fast. That's my point. It's largely brainless selling to largely brainless people. I buy anything I need in places like Oursuleart or Dodoxie and I prefer to shop around, anyway. Prices are often much better. I can even sell my wares in other places, somewhat slower and with a bit more effort and forethought ..... but why bother making extra effort when I don't have to? Selling outside of Jita is requires more effort and thought because people buying outside tend to employ more effort and thought. Sure, I am being a bit lazy in that regard. Gives me extra incentive to not be so lazy in other aspects of the game. Besides, Jita isn't so terrible unless you're there for hours on end during peak times. 10 minutes to place sell orders during off peak hours is quite managable. sorry bout the hostility, but you make the point perfectly: often you get better prices for BUY AND SELL orders in other places. the only reason to be in jita is sloth and ease; and the biggest incentive not to go to jita is the godawful lag. 10 min to set up sell orders? why subject yourself to that out of ease, when you can just as easily do it in 1 min and spend the other 9 checking out regional prices in 3 other regions. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by:** Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:45:00 - [33] Edited by: Cornucopian on 18/09/2007 20:45:36 Originally by: Eulalinda Originally by: scrapironfish Ok something has to be done about jita. Agreed. Jita is the icon of everything I dislike about CCP (not that there's much to dislike but Jita is the epitome). It's kinda scary how many people in these forums subscribe to the philosophy "If it's broke, don't try to fix it" regarding Jita. Nevermind the fact that 1-4 seconds of lag is common even where I run missions (Aphend system with 30-40 in local). I guess we should just keep shelling out money and come to love the atrocious lag. ffs: read a dev blog or two, or maybe do SOMETHING before moaning on the forums. CCP will try to fix this with hardware to enable multiple CPU cores for Jita: infiniband and truecluster. 1-4 second lag in a 30 person system? sounds like the lag is on your side..... ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Lionus	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:47:00 - [34] Originally by: Thanos Draicon Originally by: scrapironfish Ok something has to be done about jita. Mayb you can make another station with a very similar market a few jumps away from jita. THIS...IS...JEE-TAH! kicks scrapironfish down a random well Now this one was funny just watched that movie for 50th time, still loling...
Eulalinda Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:52:00 - [35] Originally by: Cornucopian ffs: read a dev blog or two, or maybe do SOMETHING before moaning on the forums. CCP will try to fix this with hardware to enable multiple CPU cores for Jita: infiniband and truecluster. 1-4 second lag in a 30 person system? sounds like the lag is on your side..... Typical apologist. CCP = good, You = bad. The point of this thread is that CCP needs to accelerate the plans in the Dev blog. With 190,000 paying EVE customers and game time costing $11-15/month, CCP collects from us $2.1-2.8 million/month ($25-34 million/year). Server upgrades?
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 21:01:00 - [36] Originally by: Eulalinda Originally by: Cornucopian ffs: read a dev blog or two, or maybe do SOMETHING before moaning on the forums. CCP will try to fix this with hardware to enable multiple CPU cores for Jita: infiniband and truecluster. 1-4 second lag in a 30 person system? sounds like the lag is on your side..... Typical apologist. CCP = good, You = bad. The point of this thread is that CCP needs to accelerate the plans in the Dev blog. dude dont you dare call me an apologist. think for a moment you twelve year old: They have just spent days fixing the server crashing bug. a month before that they bought a whole new RAMSAN, they are scrambling to get rev3 out in time, not to mention the fact that factional warfare has been postponed again; it will require a lot of extra resources. They are also allocating stuff to ambulation. CCP is a company like any other, they cant just cancel all of the above and buy totally untested technology on a whim just for the hell of it. implementing a whole new set of server hardware is a MASSIVE undertaking. after rev3, after factional warfare, after ambulation: that is when they MIGHT start on rewriting the server code to incorporate multi cpu systems (CCP have said that they want to rewrite the servercoding anyhow). Even then they might spend 2 more months fixing the most horrendously horrid bugs that arise from the entirely NEW graphix engine. Name me any other games company that rewrites an entire engine for their first game? THINK before you MOAN, you obtuse little toddler. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Iomar Uisdean Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.18 21:05:00 - [37] Originally by: Cornucopian sorry bout the hostility, but you make the point perfectly: often you get better prices for BUY AND SELL orders in other places. the only reason to be in jita is sloth and ease; and the biggest incentive not to go to jita is the godawful lag. 10 min to set up sell orders? why subject yourself to that out of ease, when you can just as easily do it in 1 min and spend the other 9 checking out regional prices in 3 other regions. Np, I understand. Whining about Jita annoys me too. Oh, I meant 10 minutes in Jita total, from entering the system to leaving, not 10 minutes to set up a sell order. I may be lazy but I am not a moron. I don't go to Jita when doing anything takes forever, due in large part because there's 800+ people sitting there whining about how things take forever. I go off peak, and I know exactly what I plan to do and I do it efficiently and I bug out as soon as I am done. Usually, that's 10 minutes. And yeah, I agree that I could (and often can) get better prices selling and buying elsewhere. You see, I seperate selling and buying. Selling for me is about cashflow. I built a whole lot of stuff, I want to unload it reasonably quickly and at a decent profit. Mostly, so I can buy more raw materials to build more stuff while using the profits to buy new toys. I buy both the raw materials and the new toys anywhere but Jita and I shop around a lot more for that. Jita is just means to an end. Jita is where so many buyers go because there's so much stuff for sale because there's so many buyers. If it wasn't Jita, it be someplace else. Yeah, people need to stop whining about it.
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.09.18 21:07:00 - [38] Originally by: Eulalinda Originally by: Cornucopian ffs: read a dev blog or two, or maybe do SOMETHING before moaning on the forums. CCP will try to fix this with hardware to enable multiple CPU cores for Jita: infiniband and truecluster. 1-4 second lag in a 30 person system? sounds like the lag is on your side..... Typical apologist. CCP = good, You = bad. The point of this thread is that CCP needs to accelerate the plans in the Dev blog. Hahaha, I love the term "apologist." It's the best piece of propaganda the lag-whiners have.
Eulalinda Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.18 21:40:00 - [39] Originally by: Cornucopian Originally by: Eulalinda Originally by: Cornucopian ffs: read a dev blog or two, or maybe do SOMETHING before moaning on the forums. CCP will try to fix this with hardware to enable multiple CPU cores for Jita: infiniband and truecluster. 1-4 second lag in a 30 person system? sounds like the lag is on your side..... Typical apologist. CCP = good, You = bad. The point of this thread is that CCP needs to accelerate the plans in the Dev blog. dude dont you dare call me an apologist. think for a moment you twelve year old: I won't call you anything, but your entire post is apologizing for CCP: how they're "scrambling" and "fixing" stuff and can't be expected to have Jita be any better right now. With 190,000 paying EVE customers and game time costing $11-15/month, CCP collects from us $2.1-2.8 million/month ($25-34 million/year). Server upgrades?
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 21:42:00 - [40] Originally by: Eulalinda Originally by: Cornucopian Originally by: Eulalinda Originally by: Cornucopian ffs: read a dev blog or two, or maybe do SOMETHING before moaning on the forums. CCP will try to fix this with hardware to enable multiple CPU cores for Jita: infiniband and truecluster. 1-4 second lag in a 30 person system? sounds like the lag is on your side..... Typical apologist. CCP = good, You = bad. The point of this thread is that CCP needs to accelerate the plans in the Dev blog. dude dont you dare call me an apologist. think for a moment you twelve year old: I won't call you anything, but your entire post is apologizing for CCP: how they're "scrambling" and "fixing" stuff and can't be expected to have Jita be any better right now. omfg.... you utter, utter, utter cretin. you sir, are a lost cause. you win, I give up trying to educate you. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Frug Zenithal Harvest 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 22:15:00 - [41] Dear OP Stop posting. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.09.18 22:30:00 - [42] Slowly lower the number of orders avalible in the jita system which would force ppl to move to another system to place an order ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master

Rauth Kivaro Forum Moderator	Posted - 2007.09.19 06:09:00 - [43] If a thread annoys you, and/or you can't respond to a thread without flaming or trolling, you're strongly advised not to respond at all. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website

Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.19 08:15:00 - [44] Originally by: Rauth Kivaro If a thread annoys you, and/or you can't respond to a thread without flaming or trolling, you're strongly advised not to respond at all. whereas the same whine over and over, 9 times a day, eloquently put by somebody to the effect of a 5 year old throwing a tantrum amounting to: Ah WANTS mAh Jee-TAH, is strongly supported. Ahem. We see at least, at the VERY least, 2 threads a day about this 'problem': there are many, many ways around it other than moaning on the forums, as is obvious in the above postings. You are of course right that I should not be flaming or trolling the poor soul, but at some point the camels back really does break: I consider each and every Jita thread I see these days to be nothing more than flamebait and a direct attempt at trolling. I'll stay away from now on. Not trying to discuss moderation, merely trying to explain where I'm coming from. Point taken though. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Gorefacer	Posted - 2007.09.19 08:24:00 - [45] Personally I like Jita. Having 1 station where you can buy/sell everything in one stop is a convenience I think. Even on a almost 4yr old crappy prebuilt everything fused to the motherboard e-machines computer I can run 2x accounts in Jita at the same time and the lag isn't bad at all for me. Not sure why I would have less problems than others, few video game enthusiasts would have a worse computer than I have most likely. Anyway, I vote to keep Jita like it is, I enjoy having 1 place to buy/sell stuff in empire if needed. "You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.09.19 09:25:00 - [46] On Jita of today: It's a wild beast that's only half tamed. You just have to know how to handle it. It's a great place for buying and selling IF you avoid it during the laggy times. When I was running missions full time I used to make one trip a week to Jita. Saturday mornings when the system was quiet. I'd put my stuff I'd collected up for sale for a week and buy whatever and gtfo. It works. You just have to have some patience and get past the, "I should be able to go there whenever I want" mentality. On Jita of tomorrow: It will NEVER be 100% fixed. Why? Because as soon as CCP makes it a lag free environment with 650 in system, the player base will push the limit until they find the new cap. And then there will be new posts just like this one complaining. "It's Sunday night, there's 850 in Jita, and the lag is intolerable". Players won't remember the time when 500 in Jita broke it and how that is now fixed. They only care to know that it is broke for them right now. The only way to "fix" Jita is to kill it. Force the player base to spread stuff out. Don't allow everything to be sold in one system or something like that. If you want Thukker crap you have to go to Thukkerville or some such. I kind of doubt people really want a true fix for the Jita problem. Originally by: Big Al Well, if there was a law against stupidity, the server would certainly lag less.
Mox Kaleb Caldari Omega Point Logistics	Posted - 2007.09.19 09:47:00 - [47] It really is senseless arguing about Jita. As has been stated here on the boards many times, and many times in this very thread - if it hacks you off that much, don't go there. If you do, grin and bear it. I spend the majority of my time freighting in and out of Jita, because thats where the most lucrative contracts either originate, or finish. I put up with it because I have to - thus I don't bother to moan about it no matter how much it annoys me, which isn't much. Minimise local, make sure that you leave the station info tab on 'agents', rather than 'guests', and prepare for some annoying lag. Perhaps they may apply some hardware 'help' sometime, but for now, I just put up with it...
Andrahkon UNITED STARS ORGANISATION	Posted - 2007.09.19 10:00:00 - [48] Originally by: Roy Batty68 The only way to "fix" Jita is to kill it. Force the player base to spread stuff out. Don't allow everything to be sold in one system or something like that. If you want Thukker crap you have to go to Thukkerville or some such. I kind of doubt people really want a true fix for the Jita problem. Yeah agreed and i think a gd way to force them out of hubs is hurting their wallet if they dont follow. Raise/decrease taxes autoamaticly based on average players in system daily/weekly/month based. The limits could be 100/200/xxx players on average to increase the taxes. Say base-number on normal taxes is <=100players/average the system sale-tax is 1%. Jita has an average of maybe 500 players, so raise taxes by 4% to 5%. The effect would be less sellers in jita and more sell their stuff @ the surrounding systems for lower taxes...that means also less buyers in jita --> lag fixed The market regulates it alone...buys/sells will spread over more systems no more super-trade/lagg systems You can also change that to order-based to avoid raising tax's because of movements. To make sure the change will have an effect, trade-skills shouldnt lower the additional system-tax ------------------------------------------------------------- Selling Carrier with fuel and Mods - preorders accepted
Reem Fairchild	Posted - 2007.09.19 10:04:00 - [49] There are many market systems around Eve. And at least in a place like Rens it's about the same prices on most things. There are very, very, very few products that can only be had in Jita, and every single one of those products is only useful for producers. If you're just trying to buy and fit a ship, and Jita is not workable for you, you have absolutely no reason to go there.
Mona Lou Essence Research Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2007.09.19 10:05:00 - [50] Jita has simple solution for everyone: Don't like it there? Don't go there. _________ GOT PIRATE IMPLANTS OR HIGHEND HARDWIRINGS? I BUY THEM ALL!
CiNi FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.19 11:33:00 - [51] What the hell are you talking about, Jita is f'ckin awesome !!!!1 DONT RUN!! WE ARE YOUR FRIENDS!! ACKACKACK!!

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