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scrapironfish	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:26:00 - [1] Ok something has to be done about jita. Mayb you can make another station with a very similar market a few jumps away from jita. jita moon 4 caldari navy assembly plant is out of control. 1) There are always 20 people that have un docked but haven't gone anywhere. Causing traffic jams and bumping. 2) Half of the 600-800 people that are in jita arent doing anything but spamming the local channel with these stupid contracts for items that noone wants. Which causes most unnecessary lag. I'm sure this topics already been posted but i dont care. Please fix jita. CCP - I'm glad you guys finally got the server working. But i still dont see any reimbursement for days of down time, lost money, ships, items. What do you plan to do about reimbursing us?
Halkin D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:34:00 - [2] Edited by: Halkin on 18/09/2007 18:35:32 1) probably 95% of them are either stuck on someone else or havent loaded screen yet. make three other undock points for that station (random, or least loaded biased random). 2) stop posting of contracts into local maybe. if you stopped it in jita alone then no doubt people would gather elsewhere. even doing this i forsee lots of "look at my bio" posts in local instead. the whole market there is player generated, the players have made it like it is not ccp. yes its frustrating, yes i do go there on occasion. as for the people who hang there all the time and whine about it then thats their fault. why are you there anyway? if it bothers you so much then buy stuff somewhere else. edit: spelling mistakes on a grand scale Originally by: Paper Rock's fine, nerf Scissors
Hafthor Gallente The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:34:00 - [3] The thing to be done about Jita is DON'T GO TO JITA!! -------------------------- "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far"
Major Death Caldari Space Salvage Incorperated	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:37:00 - [4] Currently working on getting my Caldari standings to -10 so I can never enter Jita. My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was remove for lack of EVE content! ;)
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:38:00 - [5] 1) Don't go to Jita, avoiding traffic jams outside of stations 2)Avoiding Jita removes having to listen to people spamming contracts in Jita Local
Seeing EyeDog	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:38:00 - [6] Originally by: scrapironfish Mayb you can make another station with a very similar market a few jumps away from jita. ummmm what? the market is the way it is in Jita, because thats how WE, the PLAYERS, made it. Its not because the CCP team said "omg good idea, lets centralize trade out of one system"...if you dont like jita, start offering competitive prices in another part of the galaxy???
Maltitol Gallente Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:40:00 - [7] How can people still complain about Jita? i have never entered jita, ever! ok once i did by mistake.. i was on autopilot, and had to deal with wife aggro. You dont need to enter either!
Redpants Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:41:00 - [8] Lean over and take it. If you went to Jita you deserve it. Apparently the 10 threads with Jita in the title per day aren't enough to alert the devs to thier busy little system right? I've been playing this game for over 2 years and I've never stepped foot inside that system. I have no reason to. I can find what I need often closer and in many cases at more competitive prices. If I do need to go near Jita I can find what a I want in neighboring systems. "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red."
Brutor Shaun	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:41:00 - [9] Originally by: scrapironfish Ok something has to be done about jita. Mayb you can make another station with a very similar market a few jumps away from jita. There are hundreds of stations out there, all with identical markets. CCP didn't make Jita a trade hub. We, the players did it. It will always be a trade hub unless something drastic happens, and then another system will become the replacement hub and chaos will be resumed. We've only got ourselves, our sheep-like herding instinct, and our overwhelming urge to find a bargain to blame. Baaaa. Bookmark Idea - My skills
Alz Shado Ever Flow FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:47:00 - [10] Everyone who complaints about Jita being overcrowded should go take their business to Amarr. I flew there there on my way to Delve, and was quite disappointed to see the capital system of the Amarr Empire sporting no more than 40-60 pilots on a prime time weeknight. And, if you're lucky like me, you'll get to see a real live Chribba in local. The Eve gate is for noobs. Go see the real sights of the game.
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Alz Shado Everyone who complaints about Jita being overcrowded should go take their business to Amarr. I flew there there on my way to Delve, and was quite disappointed to see the capital system of the Amarr Empire sporting no more than 40-60 pilots on a prime time weeknight. And, if you're lucky like me, you'll get to see a real live Chribba in local. The Eve gate is for noobs. Go see the real sights of the game. Actually, when I'm in Amarr I routinely see 100-150 people in local...
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:53:00 - [12] Originally by: Hafthor The thing to be done about Jita is DON'T GO TO JITA!! QFT to the op: STFU AND DIE YOU ***** IDIOT. STOP TRYING TO BE FUNNY. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by:** Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:56:00 - [13] Originally by: Cornucopian Originally by: Hafthor The thing to be done about Jita is DON'T GO TO JITA!! QFT to the op: STFU AND DIE YOU ***** IDIOT. STOP TRYING TO BE FUNNY. I think this is more appropriate...and by appropriate, I mean more humorously cliche'd: Originally by:** Thanos Draicon Originally by: scrapironfish Ok something has to be done about jita. Mayb you can make another station with a very similar market a few jumps away from jita. THIS...IS...JEE-TAH! kicks scrapironfish down a random well
SteeleResolve O RLY corp YTMND.	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:56:00 - [14] sssshhhhhhhhhhhh! dont bring the jita blob to amarr
Sacul Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.09.18 18:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: scrapironfish Ok something has to be done about jita. Mayb you can make another station with a very similar market a few jumps away from jita. CCP didn't make Jita a trade hub. We, the players did it. It will always be a trade hub unless something drastic happens, .... Remember Yulai aka 'U-Lag'. Game tip #205: Go to Nonni, alot of mods are 30% cheaper there and just 6 out of Jita. ~Only the bravest or most lazy go to jita on a sunday evening. The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.18 19:06:00 - [16] Its really kinda silly to say "don't go to Jita." Sometimes you have to because it is the only place some items are sold. Unless you want to fly around the Eve universe paying 100% markup just to fit a single ship that is. Its also kinda silly to complain about it. Jita is what it is a necessary evil. Certainty of death...small chance of success...what are we waiting for? - Gimli
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 19:11:00 - [17] Originally by: MrTripps Its really kinda silly to say "don't go to Jita." Sometimes you have to because it is the only place some items are sold. Unless you want to fly around the Eve universe paying 100% markup just to fit a single ship that is. Its also kinda silly to complain about it. Jita is what it is a necessary evil. thats an urban myth. also most mods have 8 variants, get the one that is 5 percent less uber and save 100 Mil ISK and a trip to jita. also to the guy with the sparta quote for jita: priceless ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.09.18 19:17:00 - [18] Originally by: Cornucopian Originally by: MrTripps Its really kinda silly to say "don't go to Jita." Sometimes you have to because it is the only place some items are sold. Unless you want to fly around the Eve universe paying 100% markup just to fit a single ship that is. Its also kinda silly to complain about it. Jita is what it is a necessary evil. thats an urban myth. also most mods have 8 variants, get the one that is 5 percent less uber and save 100 Mil ISK and a trip to jita. also to the guy with the sparta quote for jita: priceless I'm going to get Tarminic to do a photoshop image of it. I'm not good with photoshop so I can't, but he will.
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 19:28:00 - [19] Originally by: Thanos Draicon Originally by: Cornucopian Originally by: MrTripps Its really kinda silly to say "don't go to Jita." Sometimes you have to because it is the only place some items are sold. Unless you want to fly around the Eve universe paying 100% markup just to fit a single ship that is. Its also kinda silly to complain about it. Jita is what it is a necessary evil. thats an urban myth. also most mods have 8 variants, get the one that is 5 percent less uber and save 100 Mil ISK and a trip to jita. also to the guy with the sparta quote for jita: priceless I'm going to get Tarminic to do a photoshop image of it. I'm not good with photoshop so I can't, but he will. you had better host in on EVEfiles ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Iomar Uisdean Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.18 19:31:00 - [20] You know why Jita sucks? Because that's where all the crap gets sold. Not just in the system. It's all in one freakin' station. Why does everything get sold there? Because that's where all the buyers go for one stop shopping. Sure, it's one tedious, soul destroying stop, but still it's only one stop. I've tryed selling my wares outside of Jita. It doesn't hardly work. I used to place sell orders for stuff at reasonable prices in a variety of well traveled areas. Even areas that are pretty much on the route to and from Jita. Took me forever to unload a couple dozen guns, even when I priced them 10% to 20% below Jita prices. Then I still had to watch the sell orders and cope with other sellers (who apparently can't stand going to Jita either) undercutting by 1/100th of an isk. It's annoying. So what do I do now? Once a week or so I grit my teeth, load a bunch of crap into a (heavily tanked, don't even think about it) hauler and go to Jita, place the crap on sale at not even the lowest prices. Then I undock and get the hell out of there as fast as possible. I don't look at local, I don't look for bargains, I haul ass out of there as fast as the screen loading times allow me. By the time I get 5 jumps away, half the stuff is already sold. Bought by people who no doubt cruise right past the markets where I used to try and sell my crap. Why do I sell my crap there? Apparently, because that's the place where people buy the crap. I'd be happy to sell my crap to people, even at less profit, if only people could be bothered to buy my crap anywhere outside of Jita.
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.18 19:36:00 - [21] Originally by: Cornucopian thats an urban myth. also most mods have 8 variants, get the one that is 5 percent less uber and save 100 Mil ISK and a trip to jita. Explain how to do that with, say, the hull and fittings for a Helios. Where do I get the cheaper and less uber Cov Ops cloak? Certainty of death...small chance of success...what are we waiting for? - Gimli
Andrahkon UNITED STARS ORGANISATION	Posted - 2007.09.18 19:37:00 - [22] Edited by: Andrahkon on 18/09/2007 19:37:09 Maybe that idea helps fixing all trade-hubs: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=590617&page=2#38 ------------------------------------------------------------- Selling Carrier with fuel and Mods - preorders accepted
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 19:48:00 - [23] Originally by: MrTripps Originally by: Cornucopian thats an urban myth. also most mods have 8 variants, get the one that is 5 percent less uber and save 100 Mil ISK and a trip to jita. Explain how to do that with, say, the hull and fittings for a Helios. Where do I get the cheaper and less uber Cov Ops cloak? oursu, amarr, rens, dodixie, aunia, auvergene: take your pick little jita **. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by:** Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
MotoTsume Gallente Clan Black Scorpion	Posted - 2007.09.18 19:54:00 - [24] Originally by: Cornucopian Originally by: MrTripps Originally by: Cornucopian thats an urban myth. also most mods have 8 variants, get the one that is 5 percent less uber and save 100 Mil ISK and a trip to jita. Explain how to do that with, say, the hull and fittings for a Helios. Where do I get the cheaper and less uber Cov Ops cloak? oursu, amarr, rens, dodixie, aunia, auvergene: take your pick little jita ***. Now you've done it - you let the cat out of the bag and now all the little stupid Jitarian are gonna ruin all the good shopping places smart eve people shop in seriously those are all good places to shop with none of the lag of Jita I never go to Jita but to one of the ones on that list. ---------- www.mototsume.ca It's just a game........Or is it?*
Seeing EyeDog	Posted - 2007.09.18 19:56:00 - [25] Originally by: Sacul Game tip #205: Go to Nonni, alot of mods are 30% cheaper there and just 6 out of Jita. ~Only the bravest or most lazy go to jita on a sunday evening. Nourvukaiken is another minor trade hub. I save more money there than i do in jita...
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 19:59:00 - [26] Originally by: Iomar Uisdean You know why Jita sucks? Because that's where all the crap gets sold. Not just in the system. It's all in one freakin' station. Why does everything get sold there? Because that's where all the buyers go for one stop shopping. Sure, it's one tedious, soul destroying stop, but still it's only one stop. I've tryed selling my wares outside of Jita. It doesn't hardly work. I used to place sell orders for stuff at reasonable prices in a variety of well traveled areas. Even areas that are pretty much on the route to and from Jita. Took me forever to unload a couple dozen guns, even when I priced them 10% to 20% below Jita prices. Then I still had to watch the sell orders and cope with other sellers (who apparently can't stand going to Jita either) undercutting by 1/100th of an isk. It's annoying. So what do I do now? Once a week or so I grit my teeth, load a bunch of crap into a (heavily tanked, don't even think about it) hauler and go to Jita, place the crap on sale at not even the lowest prices. Then I undock and get the hell out of there as fast as possible. I don't look at local, I don't look for bargains, I haul ass out of there as fast as the screen loading times allow me. By the time I get 5 jumps away, half the stuff is already sold. Bought by people who no doubt cruise right past the markets where I used to try and sell my crap. Why do I sell my crap there? Apparently, because that's the place where people buy the crap. I'd be happy to sell my crap to people, even at less profit, if only people could be bothered to buy my crap anywhere outside of Jita. that is utter bullcrap. my sell orders fly off the shelves even in systems that arent designated as hubs. undercutting 1 ISK on jita prices..... you guys.... I sell ships in gallente hubs, i sell salvage all over the place, ammo in missionhubs and random **e all over eve, it takes me the MAX of a week to unload 90% of my sell orders. and I sell all kinds of different stuff. why make margin profits around jita when you can sell stuff at 200% in the right place? For instance, try selling hybrid charges in amarr mission hubs where there is hardly any ammo on the local market: you will make a killing (hybrid ammo is used by 2 races and there are plenty of people running missions in hybrid ships). Or perhaps supplying tanking stuff for all the eve players who drop by cosmos systems? or buy a hyperion in metropolis for 137 mil and sell it in gallente space for 155 mil. maybe put up a 1000 shuttles in a 0.0 neutral station at 50k a pop.... all this jita whining is just lazy people who cant be bothered to actually research trading and moan while they have to load jita for half an hour. GET SMART? GET OUT OF JITA! ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by:** Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:00:00 - [27] Originally by: Iomar Uisdean You know why Jita sucks? Because that's where all the crap gets sold. Not just in the system. It's all in one freakin' station. Why does everything get sold there? Because that's where all the buyers go for one stop shopping. Sure, it's one tedious, soul destroying stop, but still it's only one stop. I've tryed selling my wares outside of Jita. It doesn't hardly work. I used to place sell orders for stuff at reasonable prices in a variety of well traveled areas. Even areas that are pretty much on the route to and from Jita. Took me forever to unload a couple dozen guns, even when I priced them 10% to 20% below Jita prices. Then I still had to watch the sell orders and cope with other sellers (who apparently can't stand going to Jita either) undercutting by 1/100th of an isk. It's annoying. So what do I do now? Once a week or so I grit my teeth, load a bunch of crap into a (heavily tanked, don't even think about it) hauler and go to Jita, place the crap on sale at not even the lowest prices. Then I undock and get the hell out of there as fast as possible. I don't look at local, I don't look for bargains, I haul ass out of there as fast as the screen loading times allow me. By the time I get 5 jumps away, half the stuff is already sold. Bought by people who no doubt cruise right past the markets where I used to try and sell my crap. Why do I sell my crap there? Apparently, because that's the place where people buy the crap. I'd be happy to sell my crap to people, even at less profit, if only people could be bothered to buy my crap anywhere outside of Jita. And there you have it.. CCP can't upgrade thier customers buying habits no matter how many nodes get thrown at it.. And any attempt to shuffle gates to make people leave will just have the effect of making some other system the new Jita.. Ask yourself this mateys.. Do you go to the local RL shopping megaplex on a weekend? ** NO! You have to park waaaay out in the boonies it takes forever to do your shopping because of all the people crowding the stores and checkout lanes and when you finally get done you have to wait forever to get the hell out due to all the traffic backed up at every intersection with its coma inducing stop/go cycle.. Whoa.. Eve is more like RL than you thought.. Originally by:** David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:00:00 - [28] I have never visited Jita nor will I: I fly lag free and make more than enough off my trading. this goddamn jita bull has got to stop. for the love of god just get the hell out of there! use your brain for gods sake and do your trading somewhere else. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:03:00 - [29] Edited by: Cornucopian on 18/09/2007 20:03:23 Originally by: Iomar Uisdean You know why Jita sucks? Because that's where all the crap gets sold. Not just in the system. It's all in one freakin' station. Why does everything get sold there? Because that's where all the buyers go for one stop shopping. Sure, it's one tedious, soul destroying stop, but still it's only one stop. I've tryed selling my wares outside of Jita. It doesn't hardly work. I used to place sell orders for stuff at reasonable prices in a variety of well traveled areas. Even areas that are pretty much on the route to and from Jita. Took me forever to unload a couple dozen guns, even when I priced them 10% to 20% below Jita prices. Then I still had to watch the sell orders and cope with other sellers (who apparently can't stand going to Jita either) undercutting by 1/100th of an isk. It's annoying. So what do I do now? Once a week or so I grit my teeth, load a bunch of crap into a (heavily tanked, don't even think about it) hauler and go to Jita, place the crap on sale at not even the lowest prices. Then I undock and get the hell out of there as fast as possible. I don't look at local, I don't look for bargains, I haul ass out of there as fast as the screen loading times allow me. By the time I get 5 jumps away, half the stuff is already sold. Bought by people who no doubt cruise right past the markets where I used to try and sell my crap. Why do I sell my crap there? Apparently, because that's the place where people buy the crap. I'd be happy to sell my crap to people, even at less profit, if only people could be bothered to buy my crap anywhere outside of Jita. also, how about you sell at regoinal prices, not jita prices...hald of the time you make more money. or perhaps better yet; get your entire operation out of caldari space! its full of macroers, gankers, high sec pwnage and missionwhoring: eve has 5000 systems you know. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Iomar Uisdean Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Cornucopian that is utter bullcrap. my sell orders fly off the shelves even in systems that arent designated as hubs. undercutting 1 ISK on jita prices..... you guys.... I sell ships in gallente hubs, i sell salvage all over the place, ammo in missionhubs and random ****e all over eve, it takes me the MAX of a week to unload 90% of my sell orders. and I sell all kinds of different stuff. why make margin profits around jita when you can sell stuff at 200% in the right place? For instance, try selling hybrid charges in amarr mission hubs where there is hardly any ammo on the local market: you will make a killing (hybrid ammo is used by 2 races and there are plenty of people running missions in hybrid ships). Or perhaps supplying tanking stuff for all the eve players who drop by cosmos systems? or buy a hyperion in metropolis for 137 mil and sell it in gallente space for 155 mil. maybe put up a 1000 shuttles in a 0.0 neutral station at 50k a pop.... all this jita whining is just lazy people who cant be bothered to actually research trading and moan while they have to load jita for half an hour. GET SMART? GET OUT OF JITA! Jeeze, there's no need to be so darn hostile. I happen to (mostly) agree with your points about where and how to sell stuff. I posted why I sell (much of) my stuff in Jita to make a point. The point is, it's easy, it's quick apart from getting away and one doesn't have to spend hardly any time thinking, planning, scheeming, researching. Just take the stuff and throw it on the market in Jita at whatever price you want, some fool will buy it pretty fast. That's my point. It's largely brainless selling to largely brainless people. I buy anything I need in places like Oursuleart or Dodoxie and I prefer to shop around, anyway. Prices are often much better. I can even sell my wares in other places, somewhat slower and with a bit more effort and forethought ..... but why bother making extra effort when I don't have to? Selling outside of Jita is requires more effort and thought because people buying outside tend to employ more effort and thought. Sure, I am being a bit lazy in that regard. Gives me extra incentive to not be so lazy in other aspects of the game. Besides, Jita isn't so terrible unless you're there for hours on end during peak times. 10 minutes to place sell orders during off peak hours is quite managable.
Eulalinda Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:37:00 - [31] Originally by: scrapironfish Ok something has to be done about jita. Agreed. Jita is the icon of everything I dislike about CCP (not that there's much to dislike but Jita is the epitome). It's kinda scary how many people in these forums subscribe to the philosophy "If it's broke, don't try to fix it" regarding Jita. Nevermind the fact that 1-4 seconds of lag is common even where I run missions (Aphend system with 30-40 in local). I guess we should just keep shelling out money and come to love the atrocious lag. With 190,000 paying EVE customers and game time costing $11-15/month, CCP collects from us $2.1-2.8 million/month ($25-34 million/year). Server upgrades?
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:41:00 - [32] Edited by: Cornucopian on 18/09/2007 20:41:20 Originally by: Iomar Uisdean Originally by: Cornucopian that is utter bullcrap. my sell orders fly off the shelves even in systems that arent designated as hubs. undercutting 1 ISK on jita prices..... you guys.... I sell ships in gallente hubs, i sell salvage all over the place, ammo in missionhubs and random **e all over eve, it takes me the MAX of a week to unload 90% of my sell orders. and I sell all kinds of different stuff. why make margin profits around jita when you can sell stuff at 200% in the right place? For instance, try selling hybrid charges in amarr mission hubs where there is hardly any ammo on the local market: you will make a killing (hybrid ammo is used by 2 races and there are plenty of people running missions in hybrid ships). Or perhaps supplying tanking stuff for all the eve players who drop by cosmos systems? or buy a hyperion in metropolis for 137 mil and sell it in gallente space for 155 mil. maybe put up a 1000 shuttles in a 0.0 neutral station at 50k a pop.... all this jita whining is just lazy people who cant be bothered to actually research trading and moan while they have to load jita for half an hour. GET SMART? GET OUT OF JITA! Jeeze, there's no need to be so darn hostile. I happen to (mostly) agree with your points about where and how to sell stuff. I posted why I sell (much of) my stuff in Jita to make a point. The point is, it's easy, it's quick apart from getting away and one doesn't have to spend hardly any time thinking, planning, scheeming, researching. Just take the stuff and throw it on the market in Jita at whatever price you want, some fool will buy it pretty fast. That's my point. It's largely brainless selling to largely brainless people. I buy anything I need in places like Oursuleart or Dodoxie and I prefer to shop around, anyway. Prices are often much better. I can even sell my wares in other places, somewhat slower and with a bit more effort and forethought ..... but why bother making extra effort when I don't have to? Selling outside of Jita is requires more effort and thought because people buying outside tend to employ more effort and thought. Sure, I am being a bit lazy in that regard. Gives me extra incentive to not be so lazy in other aspects of the game. Besides, Jita isn't so terrible unless you're there for hours on end during peak times. 10 minutes to place sell orders during off peak hours is quite managable. sorry bout the hostility, but you make the point perfectly: often you get better prices for BUY AND SELL orders in other places. the only reason to be in jita is sloth and ease; and the biggest incentive not to go to jita is the godawful lag. 10 min to set up sell orders? why subject yourself to that out of ease, when you can just as easily do it in 1 min and spend the other 9 checking out regional prices in 3 other regions. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by:** Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:45:00 - [33] Edited by: Cornucopian on 18/09/2007 20:45:36 Originally by: Eulalinda Originally by: scrapironfish Ok something has to be done about jita. Agreed. Jita is the icon of everything I dislike about CCP (not that there's much to dislike but Jita is the epitome). It's kinda scary how many people in these forums subscribe to the philosophy "If it's broke, don't try to fix it" regarding Jita. Nevermind the fact that 1-4 seconds of lag is common even where I run missions (Aphend system with 30-40 in local). I guess we should just keep shelling out money and come to love the atrocious lag. ffs: read a dev blog or two, or maybe do SOMETHING before moaning on the forums. CCP will try to fix this with hardware to enable multiple CPU cores for Jita: infiniband and truecluster. 1-4 second lag in a 30 person system? sounds like the lag is on your side..... ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Lionus	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:47:00 - [34] Originally by: Thanos Draicon Originally by: scrapironfish Ok something has to be done about jita. Mayb you can make another station with a very similar market a few jumps away from jita. THIS...IS...JEE-TAH! kicks scrapironfish down a random well Now this one was funny just watched that movie for 50th time, still loling...
Eulalinda Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.18 20:52:00 - [35] Originally by: Cornucopian ffs: read a dev blog or two, or maybe do SOMETHING before moaning on the forums. CCP will try to fix this with hardware to enable multiple CPU cores for Jita: infiniband and truecluster. 1-4 second lag in a 30 person system? sounds like the lag is on your side..... Typical apologist. CCP = good, You = bad. The point of this thread is that CCP needs to accelerate the plans in the Dev blog. With 190,000 paying EVE customers and game time costing $11-15/month, CCP collects from us $2.1-2.8 million/month ($25-34 million/year). Server upgrades?
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 21:01:00 - [36] Originally by: Eulalinda Originally by: Cornucopian ffs: read a dev blog or two, or maybe do SOMETHING before moaning on the forums. CCP will try to fix this with hardware to enable multiple CPU cores for Jita: infiniband and truecluster. 1-4 second lag in a 30 person system? sounds like the lag is on your side..... Typical apologist. CCP = good, You = bad. The point of this thread is that CCP needs to accelerate the plans in the Dev blog. dude dont you dare call me an apologist. think for a moment you twelve year old: They have just spent days fixing the server crashing bug. a month before that they bought a whole new RAMSAN, they are scrambling to get rev3 out in time, not to mention the fact that factional warfare has been postponed again; it will require a lot of extra resources. They are also allocating stuff to ambulation. CCP is a company like any other, they cant just cancel all of the above and buy totally untested technology on a whim just for the hell of it. implementing a whole new set of server hardware is a MASSIVE undertaking. after rev3, after factional warfare, after ambulation: that is when they MIGHT start on rewriting the server code to incorporate multi cpu systems (CCP have said that they want to rewrite the servercoding anyhow). Even then they might spend 2 more months fixing the most horrendously horrid bugs that arise from the entirely NEW graphix engine. Name me any other games company that rewrites an entire engine for their first game? THINK before you MOAN, you obtuse little toddler. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Iomar Uisdean Gallente	Posted - 2007.09.18 21:05:00 - [37] Originally by: Cornucopian sorry bout the hostility, but you make the point perfectly: often you get better prices for BUY AND SELL orders in other places. the only reason to be in jita is sloth and ease; and the biggest incentive not to go to jita is the godawful lag. 10 min to set up sell orders? why subject yourself to that out of ease, when you can just as easily do it in 1 min and spend the other 9 checking out regional prices in 3 other regions. Np, I understand. Whining about Jita annoys me too. Oh, I meant 10 minutes in Jita total, from entering the system to leaving, not 10 minutes to set up a sell order. I may be lazy but I am not a moron. I don't go to Jita when doing anything takes forever, due in large part because there's 800+ people sitting there whining about how things take forever. I go off peak, and I know exactly what I plan to do and I do it efficiently and I bug out as soon as I am done. Usually, that's 10 minutes. And yeah, I agree that I could (and often can) get better prices selling and buying elsewhere. You see, I seperate selling and buying. Selling for me is about cashflow. I built a whole lot of stuff, I want to unload it reasonably quickly and at a decent profit. Mostly, so I can buy more raw materials to build more stuff while using the profits to buy new toys. I buy both the raw materials and the new toys anywhere but Jita and I shop around a lot more for that. Jita is just means to an end. Jita is where so many buyers go because there's so much stuff for sale because there's so many buyers. If it wasn't Jita, it be someplace else. Yeah, people need to stop whining about it.
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.09.18 21:07:00 - [38] Originally by: Eulalinda Originally by: Cornucopian ffs: read a dev blog or two, or maybe do SOMETHING before moaning on the forums. CCP will try to fix this with hardware to enable multiple CPU cores for Jita: infiniband and truecluster. 1-4 second lag in a 30 person system? sounds like the lag is on your side..... Typical apologist. CCP = good, You = bad. The point of this thread is that CCP needs to accelerate the plans in the Dev blog. Hahaha, I love the term "apologist." It's the best piece of propaganda the lag-whiners have.
Eulalinda Caldari	Posted - 2007.09.18 21:40:00 - [39] Originally by: Cornucopian Originally by: Eulalinda Originally by: Cornucopian ffs: read a dev blog or two, or maybe do SOMETHING before moaning on the forums. CCP will try to fix this with hardware to enable multiple CPU cores for Jita: infiniband and truecluster. 1-4 second lag in a 30 person system? sounds like the lag is on your side..... Typical apologist. CCP = good, You = bad. The point of this thread is that CCP needs to accelerate the plans in the Dev blog. dude dont you dare call me an apologist. think for a moment you twelve year old: I won't call you anything, but your entire post is apologizing for CCP: how they're "scrambling" and "fixing" stuff and can't be expected to have Jita be any better right now. With 190,000 paying EVE customers and game time costing $11-15/month, CCP collects from us $2.1-2.8 million/month ($25-34 million/year). Server upgrades?
Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 21:42:00 - [40] Originally by: Eulalinda Originally by: Cornucopian Originally by: Eulalinda Originally by: Cornucopian ffs: read a dev blog or two, or maybe do SOMETHING before moaning on the forums. CCP will try to fix this with hardware to enable multiple CPU cores for Jita: infiniband and truecluster. 1-4 second lag in a 30 person system? sounds like the lag is on your side..... Typical apologist. CCP = good, You = bad. The point of this thread is that CCP needs to accelerate the plans in the Dev blog. dude dont you dare call me an apologist. think for a moment you twelve year old: I won't call you anything, but your entire post is apologizing for CCP: how they're "scrambling" and "fixing" stuff and can't be expected to have Jita be any better right now. omfg.... you utter, utter, utter cretin. you sir, are a lost cause. you win, I give up trying to educate you. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Frug Zenithal Harvest 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.18 22:15:00 - [41] Dear OP Stop posting. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.09.18 22:30:00 - [42] Slowly lower the number of orders avalible in the jita system which would force ppl to move to another system to place an order ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master

Rauth Kivaro Forum Moderator	Posted - 2007.09.19 06:09:00 - [43] If a thread annoys you, and/or you can't respond to a thread without flaming or trolling, you're strongly advised not to respond at all. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website

Cornucopian Gallente Orias Fringe Enterprises United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.19 08:15:00 - [44] Originally by: Rauth Kivaro If a thread annoys you, and/or you can't respond to a thread without flaming or trolling, you're strongly advised not to respond at all. whereas the same whine over and over, 9 times a day, eloquently put by somebody to the effect of a 5 year old throwing a tantrum amounting to: Ah WANTS mAh Jee-TAH, is strongly supported. Ahem. We see at least, at the VERY least, 2 threads a day about this 'problem': there are many, many ways around it other than moaning on the forums, as is obvious in the above postings. You are of course right that I should not be flaming or trolling the poor soul, but at some point the camels back really does break: I consider each and every Jita thread I see these days to be nothing more than flamebait and a direct attempt at trolling. I'll stay away from now on. Not trying to discuss moderation, merely trying to explain where I'm coming from. Point taken though. ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer." Originally by: Royaldo complete win by Cornucopian!
Gorefacer	Posted - 2007.09.19 08:24:00 - [45] Personally I like Jita. Having 1 station where you can buy/sell everything in one stop is a convenience I think. Even on a almost 4yr old crappy prebuilt everything fused to the motherboard e-machines computer I can run 2x accounts in Jita at the same time and the lag isn't bad at all for me. Not sure why I would have less problems than others, few video game enthusiasts would have a worse computer than I have most likely. Anyway, I vote to keep Jita like it is, I enjoy having 1 place to buy/sell stuff in empire if needed. "You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.09.19 09:25:00 - [46] On Jita of today: It's a wild beast that's only half tamed. You just have to know how to handle it. It's a great place for buying and selling IF you avoid it during the laggy times. When I was running missions full time I used to make one trip a week to Jita. Saturday mornings when the system was quiet. I'd put my stuff I'd collected up for sale for a week and buy whatever and gtfo. It works. You just have to have some patience and get past the, "I should be able to go there whenever I want" mentality. On Jita of tomorrow: It will NEVER be 100% fixed. Why? Because as soon as CCP makes it a lag free environment with 650 in system, the player base will push the limit until they find the new cap. And then there will be new posts just like this one complaining. "It's Sunday night, there's 850 in Jita, and the lag is intolerable". Players won't remember the time when 500 in Jita broke it and how that is now fixed. They only care to know that it is broke for them right now. The only way to "fix" Jita is to kill it. Force the player base to spread stuff out. Don't allow everything to be sold in one system or something like that. If you want Thukker crap you have to go to Thukkerville or some such. I kind of doubt people really want a true fix for the Jita problem. Originally by: Big Al Well, if there was a law against stupidity, the server would certainly lag less.
Mox Kaleb Caldari Omega Point Logistics	Posted - 2007.09.19 09:47:00 - [47] It really is senseless arguing about Jita. As has been stated here on the boards many times, and many times in this very thread - if it hacks you off that much, don't go there. If you do, grin and bear it. I spend the majority of my time freighting in and out of Jita, because thats where the most lucrative contracts either originate, or finish. I put up with it because I have to - thus I don't bother to moan about it no matter how much it annoys me, which isn't much. Minimise local, make sure that you leave the station info tab on 'agents', rather than 'guests', and prepare for some annoying lag. Perhaps they may apply some hardware 'help' sometime, but for now, I just put up with it...
Andrahkon UNITED STARS ORGANISATION	Posted - 2007.09.19 10:00:00 - [48] Originally by: Roy Batty68 The only way to "fix" Jita is to kill it. Force the player base to spread stuff out. Don't allow everything to be sold in one system or something like that. If you want Thukker crap you have to go to Thukkerville or some such. I kind of doubt people really want a true fix for the Jita problem. Yeah agreed and i think a gd way to force them out of hubs is hurting their wallet if they dont follow. Raise/decrease taxes autoamaticly based on average players in system daily/weekly/month based. The limits could be 100/200/xxx players on average to increase the taxes. Say base-number on normal taxes is <=100players/average the system sale-tax is 1%. Jita has an average of maybe 500 players, so raise taxes by 4% to 5%. The effect would be less sellers in jita and more sell their stuff @ the surrounding systems for lower taxes...that means also less buyers in jita --> lag fixed The market regulates it alone...buys/sells will spread over more systems no more super-trade/lagg systems You can also change that to order-based to avoid raising tax's because of movements. To make sure the change will have an effect, trade-skills shouldnt lower the additional system-tax ------------------------------------------------------------- Selling Carrier with fuel and Mods - preorders accepted
Reem Fairchild	Posted - 2007.09.19 10:04:00 - [49] There are many market systems around Eve. And at least in a place like Rens it's about the same prices on most things. There are very, very, very few products that can only be had in Jita, and every single one of those products is only useful for producers. If you're just trying to buy and fit a ship, and Jita is not workable for you, you have absolutely no reason to go there.
Mona Lou Essence Research Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2007.09.19 10:05:00 - [50] Jita has simple solution for everyone: Don't like it there? Don't go there. _________ GOT PIRATE IMPLANTS OR HIGHEND HARDWIRINGS? I BUY THEM ALL!
CiNi FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.19 11:33:00 - [51] What the hell are you talking about, Jita is f'ckin awesome !!!!1 DONT RUN!! WE ARE YOUR FRIENDS!! ACKACKACK!!

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