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DeODokktor Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2007.09.20 11:56:00 - [1] Originally by: Amber Leonne Yeah, I'm despised, which is why I'm trolled once on average for every several hundred clients I've serviced. No, Your troll's on because you admitted selling ETC's on Ebay that you bought with the "profits" you made from ETC selling.. Plus you admitted that you were farming Hulk Pilots to sell for isk to buy ETC's to sell on ebay... and well.... to a lot of us your a dirty isk seller.. There is no problem with the ETC system as it is, it needs no resellers. a large 3,000 player alliance needs you why? If they cant figgure out how to make a forum post (WTS 15,000 90d codes) then they should probably quit eve.
DeODokktor Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2007.09.27 22:18:00 - [2] Originally by: sdasdasdadaws Edited by: sdasdasdadaws on 27/09/2007 12:11:14 What happens if you are selling a 90 day GTC, and a player convos you and says he doesnt want to use the secure system, and when i say i will only use the secure system and start to explain why he transfered 400mill to my wallet. No evemails, no label on the transfer, just 400mill into my wallet. Can i keep it? Rules are a little gray in this area.. and i dont mind sending it back if i have too, but a free 400 mill is always nice :) You should send it back. I would guess that this rule has been put in place to stop isk buyers/ isk sellers from easily explaining away "why" they are receiving bucketloads of isk.. so if ccp start checking logs and see you received a lotta isk for no reason then they'll ask you what it's for.. non-secure ETC trading is now bannable so I would just send it back and set one up via secure method (he gets an ingame mail that tells him where to go)
DeODokktor Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2007.10.17 09:51:00 - [3] Originally by: entropykaos What stops a etc Seller/Buyer from not converting it into cash? It just made it more inconvient to sell in a legit way. When you sell a code in the secure system it's applied directly to the account.. So there is no way to convert it into cash. Prices havent moved much since ccp changed the rules.. Some people are selling higher, some people are selling lower. ISK for GTC has generally follow'd the trend value of (EVE)ISK itself.. so if the value of ISK goes down, then the price of GTC's goes up (or in reality, the value doesnt change, only the number associated with the value).. I am sorry people think that there's a "time zone" attach'd to the forums as well.. I would like to ask them why they think that American post dont appear in Asian time zone computers? or Asian post dont appear on American time zone computers?.... The forums are not based on any region so time zone request (buy & sell) are not an issue of time. Resellers for ETC's are Bad IMHO.... The only way I would support it is IF ccp would allow time codes to be moved ONLY via the secure system (once in, never out) type of thing. Time codes WILL go up as the value of isk goes down.. With "Invention" now in place there's a lot of tech2 gear that's cheap and many people may not even need to support their iskflow via GTC's anymore, so it's possible that Invention will cause a huge price in GTC's.. Personally, the "Gooons" saying resellers gone makes the GTC price go up is silly, as some of the ebay people admitted buying bulk codes from goonfleet... I would much rather see ccp just add a simple trading system (like a share trading system) for GTC's.. The ingame market finds prices fairly well, and if we had a system listing tons of buyorders with tons of sellorders then the average values would be easy to see.
DeODokktor Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2007.10.17 13:04:00 - [4] Originally by: kenna holcolm ok personally this erks me. specially with the amber sit, i have done business with amber several times, and have had no problem with her. if people are willing to pay more to buy from her that is thier choice. i just liked being able to get rid of my gtc's fast. now that its gonna tale me about a month to move 20gtc's i dont think ill ever buy another one.. thanks CCP for ruining a good thing It took you 7 mins to sell 3 90d etc's and you got about 20% more than amber would have paid you for them.. Explain to me how ccp ruin'd a good thing for you?
DeODokktor Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2007.10.17 23:53:00 - [5] Originally by: kenna holcolm Originally by: DeODokktor Originally by: kenna holcolm thanks CCP for ruining a good thing It took you 7 mins to sell 3 90d etc's and you got about 20% more than amber would have paid you for them.. Explain to me how ccp ruin'd a good thing for you? it ruined a good thing for everyone dude. prices were going up not because of her, but because of demand, now you watch, give it about oh say a month and 90d's will be about 500-600m because people will stop wanting to sell them. Ahhhh okay I got it CCP Ruined a good thing by allowing you to sell your ETC's in 7 mins for 20% more.. They also made it worse for you because now instead of getting 400m for your 90d codes, your going to get 500-600m for them.... Yes, your argument about how they are hurting you sure does seem to be showing.
DeODokktor Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2007.10.18 13:36:00 - [6] Originally by: ForsakenSoldier No what he is saying since youre so daft, is that now to sell them it will take longer which defeats the whole purpose of why he liked the timecard system as it was. He could log in, find a bulk buyer, and offload a bill worth of timecodes in 5 minutes. Now he has to sell each one as a seperate timecode which takes time. Jebezus.. Okay, so he offloaded 3 90d in 7 mins (view his history).. going by his 600m each idea, that's 1.8 bil.. in 7 mins... I think that's highly comparable to (log in and offload a bil in 5 mins) When selling the codes you have to do 3 things 1) type out code 2) type out the isk you want for it 3) type out the name when selling insecure you have to 1) type out codes 2) hope the buyer isnt going to stick you via petition 3) hope your not going to get bann'd when the person you sold to is caught selling isk 4) take a HUGE hit on price because the other person is going to be reselling (it's only fair that the reseller makes a markup, but why would anyone be so stoopid to NOT make a simple forum post)
DeODokktor Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2007.10.18 20:41:00 - [7] Originally by: Sicil Fioet 'clip'..Using services of resellers they'd make less on their bulk sale but save on time and all this hassle, and to these people their time was worth more. This is also why you see that many GTC sellers are asking for some kind of a market put in place where you can just set up your codes and go away and people would come and claim them just like we got a market in EVE. Would make things a lot easier for both sellers and buyers. Yea, I really still cant grasp why people find it difficult to sell.. I dont think there's a lot to manage and if you view the post you often see someone selling 10 codes, will have 15-20 people who ask for codes.. I do think there is some hassle involved but If you really weigh it up then I think the benefits are clear.. The biggest thing I like is that the Ebay hole has been closed (even tho it's open'd a new problem)... I would LOVE to see time codes ran through a market system.. Dont get me wrong, I wouldnt mind doing reselling of ETC's, or even (god forbid) selling isk on ebay.. But one I find offensive to players, and the other isnt allow'd ;P.. CCP would get a shedload of love from users "IF" they made some type of market trading system, They could even force it as a layer on top of the current system to stop it from being hack'd/abused.. I dont see them doing that, and I dont honestly belive we'll see guys selling 200-300 codes like we did in the past. Plus there's a huge sence of irony, someone needs so much isk that they are willing to spend 3k$ on time cards, but then they'll take a big loss on value for the sake of time... Eve is a big place, people who need that kind of isk have a lot of pals, Resellers with no direct relationship to you still (and forever will) have no value in my eyes for this type of thing.

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